• Re: Top 10 Piobaireachds!!

    From Scott MacLeod@21:1/5 to Scott MacLeod on Wed Jun 14 09:47:36 2023
    Top 10 Piobaireachds' pipers -

    And here are the tunes I gleaned from your great collective Piobaireachd conversation (and added here too - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aoyqEX0axA47tesdABfthYGKj_xzljddyR5FN1fisxc/edit?usp=sharing) -


    Top 10 Piobaireachds -

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.bagpipe/c/tHZPS2mbZMg


    gleanings -

    Donald MacKenzie, His Father’s Lament for
    Beloved Scotland, I Leave Thee Gloomy
    I got a Kiss of the King's Hand
    Lament for MacSwan of Roaig
    Lament for the Children
    Struan Robertson’s Salute
    The Earl of Seaforth’s Salute
    The Desperate Battle (of the Birds)
    The Lament for Mary Macleod
    Lament for the Old Sword



    The Big Spree

    MacDougall's Gathering

    Macdonald of Kinlochmoidart's Lament no.1

    Lament for Queen Anne

    Battle of Auldearn no.1

    Lament for Donald Doughal MacKay

    Rory MacLoude's Lament

    Lady Annapool's Lament

    The Desperate Battle

    The Old Woman's Lullaby


    'Lady Margaret MacDonald's Salute' as played by Stuart Shedden &

    'Lament for the Earl of Antrim' as played by Mike Cusack.


    Bells of Perth


    The King's Taxes Crunluath Breabach or Crunluath Fogsailte (Robert Brown playing)


    Battle of Auldearn (as played by Gavin Stoddart on Lismor's Piobaireachd complilation) and MacKintosh's Lament seem very musical to my tin ear.
    Seamus MacNeill doesn't rate The Glen is Mine very highly, but I like it.



    1. Lament for Mary Macleod. GREAT TUNE. Wonderful first variation. The
    Breabach are first rate, actually the taor and crun are not quite a breabach but close. Melodic to the core
    2. The massacre of Glencoe.
    Monster feeling tune. no dithis. only taorluath singling and dubling ans the same for crun. It has an easy crun amach.
    3. Lament for the only son. A Patrick Mor MacCrimmon tune, ( he is the champ. wrote Mary MacLeod and lament for the children). A vary regular tune and
    easily played. Vary full of feeling though.
    4. MacIntoshes Lament. although it is irregular it isn't really hard. the
    urlar and first two variations are quite beautiful and lyrical. a must play tune.
    5. The old woman' lullaby. The Bob Brown version will tear your heart out. The Capt Jack MacLellan version is top notch. Easy to play and point.
    6. Too Long in this condition. another MacCrimmon tune. each variation is
    quite distinct and it is easy to memorize. it is lusty and easy to play.
    7. MacCrimmon's Sweetheart. Al though the Gaelic title is about a lost cow,
    it gets lonely in the highlands, the tune is moderately difficult but is in the lovely key of D. Non Piobaireachd fans, how many can there be?, love this
    tune.




    1. The Company's Lament.
    2. The Battle of Glenshiel.
    3. Duncan MacRae of Kintail's Lament.
    4. Lament for Donald of Laggan.

    As for some of my top tuneful favourites.....
    Corrienessan's Salute,
    Salute on the Birth of Rory Mor
    The Earl of Seaforth, Salute
    The Young Laird of Dungallon's Salute
    Rory MacLoude's Lament


    Cave of Gold

    Unjust Incarceration


    1. MacCrimmon's Sweetheart - It can be tremendously moving. I've heard
    several stories about it. I wish I knew the true one, but whatever the
    story, it sounds like true love to me.
    2. Lament for the Children - What an urlar!
    3. Beloved Scotland - I can't get this tune out of my head.
    4. Desperate Battle - Very nice urlar. The variations are what makes
    it.
    5. The Bells of Perth - You can actually hear the bells. Each variation
    gives a different impression, but they are all bell-like.
    6. Corrienessan's Salute - Very beautiful and salute-like. Peaceful
    and grand.
    7. MacDonald of Kinlochmoidart's Lament 1 - The high G in the second
    and the third lines is the clincher. It is a very easy tune to
    memorize.
    8. The Old Woman's Lullaby - Peaceful at first. Then you can feel the
    old woman getting her clutches on you.
    9. Earl of Seaforth's Salute - Very nice mellody. I especially like
    the Camerson style of playing this.
    10. Lament for the Viscount of Dundee - Bill Livingstone does a
    wonderful job of this.

    Runner's up: The Sprees, MacLeod of Raasay's Salute, Too Long in this Condition, Ronald MacDonald's Lament, Lament for D.D. MacKay, Prince's
    Salute, Auldearn, Catherine's Lament, Black Donald's March



    'Ceol Na Mara'- John M. MacKenzie
    A very melodic urlar, almost like an air. And not too many difficult embelishments so it is easy to execute with some practice.

    'Salute to James Campbell"- A. Kenneth
    Nice use of grips and echoing strikes in the urlar. The variations have an interesting syncopation.



    The Old Men of the Shells
    The Unjust Incarceration
    Beloved Scotland
    The Battle of Auldearn No. 1
    Lament for the Children
    A Flame of Wrath for Patrick Caogach
    The Desperate Battle
    Lament for Donald of Laggan


    Lament for the Viscount of Dundee

    Lament for Red Hector of the Battles

    Auldearn No. 1 has shown up a surprising no. of times on this list - didn't realize it was such a popular tune.

    The Unjust Incarceration is a tune I became enamoured of after hearing Bob Nicol
    sing the urlar and first variation on the Masters of Piobaireachd Vol. I CD. Very beautiful, melodic ground if expressed correctly.

    Lament for Red Hector of the Battles - Martyn Bennett plays the urlar beautifully on his CD Bothy Culture. A much more musical tune than I had previously realized, and one of the oldest tunes we have.

    I'm surprised that The Old Men of the Shells hasn't appeared on more lists...a big, complicated tune, but very musical.



    least favorite (another thread) - Grain in Hides and Corn in
    Sacks.



    1. Lament for Donald of Laggen-not too long but has been called a masterpiece in mineture. a very satisfying tune to play. but needs good feeling for the music and an ability to transition to the brebach's. Patrick Mors tune. you can hear echos of Lament for the children in the urlar
    2. A flame of Wrath for squinting patrick. Also not too long but needs the driving tempo and clear run down hand. A tune much cheezed up by fellow cheezy
    piobaireachd players. needs alot of crispness
    3. MacLeod's Controversy another Donald MacCrimmon grouchy tune. also not long
    but can get you on crossing noises. Lots of high hand and low hand shifts. The shift from the urlar to taorluath is perfection.
    4.Earl of Seaforth's Salute. Lots of rolling top hand work in the urlar and first two varriations. it needs a pipe which has the high A and high G in top form. it is lovely and the tune does indeed sparkel
    5.the desperate battle or the birds fight. not hard to memorize and quite regular BUT it needs very crisp fingering.
    6. Cha Till MacCrimmon: alovely tuen if abit depressed. Not hard to memorize but needs very good slowing down between movments to get the depressed feeling.



    there's a really beautiful Piob. written by William
    Barrie who lives in Canada. It's a 20th century work and the composer
    is alive and well, so I hear. It's called Lament for Pipe Major Robert
    Reid and surely must be one of the most beautiful pieces of music
    written for the instrument in the last 700 years.



    1. Lament for the Children, one of the longest melody lines in all of music. 2.Lament for Patrick Og MacCrimmon. MacKay got the most out of the instrument with this one. The first varriation and doub. are with out parallel in piping. 3. Lament for Donald Dughal MacKay. yet another urlar which goes on forever.
    a haunting melody line
    4. Lament for the Harp Tree or Key. one of the oldest tunes and it goes on and on and on. Bill Livingston has been quoted as saying " this isn't a tune it's
    a career".
    5. The Daugthers Lament. Lots of embari movments. Full of a lot of pathos
    6. Lament for Vicount Dundee. What a beautiful urlar so lyrical
    7. The little and big sprees. Two tunes full of remorse
    8. Lament for the Old Sword. Not a difficult tune but needs a pipe in first rate order as it uses every note but low G and moves throw all of the keys in the pipe
    9. Lament for donald Ban MacCrimmon. a tune of brutal beauty.
    10.the Bells of Perth. it needs a superb technique


    glengarry's lament it needs a little interpretation else it
    sounds like a machine. Struan Roberts Salute. the urlar has been set to a 2/4 march so you get two tunes for the price of one
    intermediate tunes: His father's Lament for Donald MacKennzie lots of varriations to play with. the second variation uses a neet but odd F grace
    note to good effect. This Glen is Mine. it seems like a very simple tune but
    it takes some skill to get it right.The Groat--irregular to the bone but like a Mozart melody full of surprizes. I got a kiss of the Kings hand.easy to memorize but needs good timing.





    Easier tunes -

    1. Lament for Mary MacLeod, a truly beautiful tune with a wonderful love
    story attached, VERY suitable for old softies and romantics like me :-)

    2. "Too Long in this Condition" something that could be said about me!! A
    full weight Macrimmon tune, fit to be played at the Argylleshire Gathering
    or the Northern Meeting, I heard it played at Oban in 1996. A lovely melody which grows on you, it does need to be played well on a good pipe to fully appreciate it's haunting beauty.

    3. Salute on the Birth of Rory Mor MacLeod, a grand tune that is better for being acquainted with, it took me some time for me to realise that what I
    was listening to was wonderful, not a piobaireachd you can hear if you are doing something else, it demands concentration and repays with pleasure.

    4. The Company's Lament, this is a tune I am also learning, I have the urlar off but a way to go yet!! I like the melody and it has some lovely triplings
    in var.3
    Seamus MacNeil quotes Joseph MacDonald as a source for this tune where it is called "March for a beginner"

    5. Struan Robertson's Salute, I heard a close friend play this and it has
    been lurking at the back of my mind to bring it forward and learn it, it has special memories for me :-) it's a good melody and a full of little
    surprises!! Nuff said!!

    6. Alastair Dearg, as Zu said, it's a very good tune and well worth the
    effort.

    7. MacKintosh's Banner, an easy tune but a nice melody, I love playing it.

    8. Glengarry's Lament, another easy beginners tune, simple yet evocative
    when played well.

    9. Cabar Feidh gu Brath, thanks to Maeve, I have run through this tune again and have gained a new respect for it, lovely melodic lines here, definitely
    one to snuggle up to on a cold winter's night and composed by that peerless piper Donald MacLeod.

    10. MacCrimmons Sweetheart, a pretty melody as befits a pretty ...............................................sweetheart !! A cow, what
    was Macrimmon thinking of, maybe it's best not to ask??





    Too Long In This Condition- I think this is the tune that made me fall
    in love with piobaireachd. I love the eedrees (sp?) coming off high
    A. I have to say I like the Kilberry version of this (as played by
    Donald MacPherson on the piping center recital series) better than the
    version that Jimmy MacIntosh published in the Voice.

    I Got A Kiss of The Kings Hand- one of the finest tunes melody wise
    that you can find; and the variations are easy, which is a plus in my
    book :).

    The Groat- A great "dark" tune. Lots of fun.

    Lament For Mary MacLeod- Awesome; can't think of anything else to say

    Clan Campbell's Gathering- Not usually a tune that makes the favorites
    list, but I was playing it the other night and I realized that when
    your pipe is set up right and everything is executed correctly, this
    tune really compares to the "big" gathering tunes.

    Lament For Patrick Og Macrimmon- Heard this on that Masters of
    Piobaireachd CD, its technically amazing without sacrificing melody.

    Lament for The Children- My favorite of the real classics of
    piobaireachd, for some reason I enjoy it more than Lament for Donald
    Dughal MacKay, call me a rebel


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    As Aye, Scott

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    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:35:47 PM UTC-4, Scott MacLeod wrote:
    Thanks, John Broadwell, all,

    Thanks for this great conversation about people's favorite prettiest (in part) Piobaireachd,

    In the Ligonier Highland Games, in western Pennsylvania in September 2022, I began asking friends and pipers their favorite prettiest Piobaireachd, and am developing a spreadsheet for this too - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/
    1aoyqEX0axA47tesdABfthYGKj_xzljddyR5FN1fisxc/edit?usp=sharing . In these regards, just created my second Scottish bagpiping album, "Honey Piobaireachd," seeking to find and playing prettiest Piobaireachd too - https://
    scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/.

    These top my list currently -

    Donald MacKenzie, His Father’s Lament for
    Beloved Scotland, I Leave Thee Gloomy
    I got a Kiss of the King's Hand
    Lament for MacSwan of Roaig
    Lament for the Children
    Struan Robertson’s Salute
    The Earl of Seaforth’s Salute
    The Desperate Battle (of the Birds)
    The Lament for Mary Macleod
    Lament for the Old Sword


    Happy Piobaireachd playing & listening,
    Scott
    http://scottmacleod.com/piping.htm
    Bagpiping label in daily blog - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/bagpiping

    PS
    Bagpiping wiki subjects for open teaching and learning at MIT OCW-centric wiki World Univ & Sch

    https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Great_Highland_Bagpipe

    Pibroch, Piobaireachd or Ceòl Mór https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Pibroch,_Piobaireachd_or_Ce%C3%B2l_M%C3%B3r

    https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Bagpipe_Tutorials

    https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Scottish_smallpipes_and_borderpipes


    PPS
    5 of my all-time favorite Piobaireachd classical #Scottishbagpiping pieces: The Desperate Battle (of the birds)I got a kiss of the king's handHis father's lament for Donald MacKenzie The Earl of Seaforth's SaluteBeloved Scotland, I Leave Thee Gloomy
    https://scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/ ~
    https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1664621839736360964?t=BYuGD9NncqKr0VNzsbGtEQ&s=19

    https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1664621910188081154?t=ywAdNTR4LM4R8FBLJVX3CA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1664621984842432513?t=cEdEbjsYo1T78dTcd7LUTw&s=19

    https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1664621683401977856?t=qW89R6HEK5BlU7xrjGC_RQ&s=19



    *#ScottishSmallPiping album #2 #HoneyPiobaireachd (2022){@TheOpenBand (Berkeley)} @scottmacleod https://scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/ https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Pibroch,_Piobaireachd_or_Ce%C3%B2l_
    M%C3%B3r #SSPipes' album #1 "Honey in the Bag" (2020) 'Out of the Air' tune https://scottmacleodhoneyinthebagscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/track/out-of-the-air-j-scott-gk-macleod ~https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Scottish_
    smallpipes_and_borderpipes @WorldUnivAndSch ~

    https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1662119965149806596?t=X62UnoQlENxHVn0Z4zRlFw&s=19

    https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1662119646923767812 https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1662119830491676672 https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1662120208310452225 https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1662120139544731648?t=7-dd1xfHyLPCfL9BcwmESQ&s=19


    On Wednesday, May 3, 2000 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Roger Whitson wrote:

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  • From Scott MacLeod@21:1/5 to Roger Whitson on Wed Jun 14 09:35:46 2023
    Thanks, John Broadwell, all,

    Thanks for this great conversation about people's favorite prettiest (in part) Piobaireachd,

    In the Ligonier Highland Games, in western Pennsylvania in September 2022, I began asking friends and pipers their favorite prettiest Piobaireachd, and am developing a spreadsheet for this too - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/
    1aoyqEX0axA47tesdABfthYGKj_xzljddyR5FN1fisxc/edit?usp=sharing . In these regards, just created my second Scottish bagpiping album, "Honey Piobaireachd," seeking to find and playing prettiest Piobaireachd too - https://
    scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/.

    These top my list currently -

    Donald MacKenzie, His Father’s Lament for
    Beloved Scotland, I Leave Thee Gloomy
    I got a Kiss of the King's Hand
    Lament for MacSwan of Roaig
    Lament for the Children
    Struan Robertson’s Salute
    The Earl of Seaforth’s Salute
    The Desperate Battle (of the Birds)
    The Lament for Mary Macleod
    Lament for the Old Sword


    Happy Piobaireachd playing & listening,
    Scott
    http://scottmacleod.com/piping.htm
    Bagpiping label in daily blog - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/bagpiping

    PS
    Bagpiping wiki subjects for open teaching and learning at MIT OCW-centric wiki World Univ & Sch

    https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Great_Highland_Bagpipe

    Pibroch, Piobaireachd or Ceòl Mór https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Pibroch,_Piobaireachd_or_Ce%C3%B2l_M%C3%B3r

    https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Bagpipe_Tutorials

    https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Scottish_smallpipes_and_borderpipes


    PPS
    5 of my all-time favorite Piobaireachd classical #Scottishbagpiping pieces:  The Desperate Battle (of the birds)I got a kiss of the king's handHis father's lament for Donald MacKenzie The Earl of Seaforth's SaluteBeloved Scotland, I Leave Thee
    Gloomyhttps://scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/ ~
    https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1664621839736360964?t=BYuGD9NncqKr0VNzsbGtEQ&s=19

    https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1664621910188081154?t=ywAdNTR4LM4R8FBLJVX3CA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1664621984842432513?t=cEdEbjsYo1T78dTcd7LUTw&s=19

    https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1664621683401977856?t=qW89R6HEK5BlU7xrjGC_RQ&s=19



    *#ScottishSmallPiping album #2 #HoneyPiobaireachd (2022){@TheOpenBand (Berkeley)} @scottmacleodhttps://scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Pibroch,_Piobaireachd_or_Ce%C3%B2l_M%C3%
    B3r #SSPipes' album #1 "Honey in the Bag" (2020) 'Out of the Air' tune https://scottmacleodhoneyinthebagscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/track/out-of-the-air-j-scott-gk-macleod ~https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Scottish_smallpipes_
    and_borderpipes @WorldUnivAndSch ~

    https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand/status/1662119965149806596?t=X62UnoQlENxHVn0Z4zRlFw&s=19

    https://twitter.com/scottmacleod/status/1662119646923767812  https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1662119830491676672  https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1662120208310452225 https://twitter.com/sgkmacleod/status/1662120139544731648?t=7-dd1xfHyLPCfL9BcwmESQ&s=19

    https://twitter.com/HarbinBook/status/1662120058271694850



    On Wednesday, May 3, 2000 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Roger Whitson wrote:
    Zudupiper wrote:
    Just curious here, but since 'fosgailte' is Gaidhlig for 'open', how can you
    have a 'closed open' crunluath? And consequently, wouldn't an 'open crunluath
    fosgailte' be redundant?

    The "open" crun fosg has as the back part of the movement an edre-like movement
    on the "melody" part (E and F gracenotes on say C, or whatever the "melody" note is). The "closed" crun fosg has a true edre as the back end of the movement (E and F gracenotes on loA).

    I'm afraid this didn't really help explain it much, but if you look at different tunes which have open and closed crun fosgs, it will be much clearer.

    Zu
    I wasn't questioning the movement, Zu, rather the terminology. I suppose once things are Anglicized, they get confusing.
    Thanks for the response.

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