Hi,

Debian Academy has been granted already a VPS for installing Moodle and
other needed tools: https://salsa.debian.org/debian.net-team/requests/-/issues/10

But we still need some help for registering the domain academy.debian.net, since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done are described here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet

More information about the DNS records that need to be registered is given
in this message:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00048.html

Is there any DD that can help us?
Alternatively, how can I get DD permissions, so that I can try it myself?

If we are not able to add the DNS records, we should request the DebianNet
team to shut down the provided VPS, because it cannot be used.

Regards,
Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-
serif;font-size:small">Debian Academy has been granted already a VPS for installing Moodle and other needed tools: <a href="https://salsa.debian.org/debian.net-team/requests/-/issues/10">https://salsa.debian.org/debian.net-team/requests/-/issues/10</a></

<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">But we still need some help for registering the domain <a href="http://academy.

debian.net">academy.debian.net</a>, since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done are described here: <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet">https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">More information about the DNS records that need to be registered is given in this message: <a href="https://
lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00048.html">https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00048.html</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Is there any DD that can help us?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Alternatively, how can I get DD permissions, so that I can try it myself?</div><div class=
"gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">If we are not able to add the DNS records, we should request the DebianNet team to shut down
the provided VPS, because it cannot be used.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_
default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div></div>

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Hi,

But we still need some help for registering the domain academy.debian.net[http://academy.debian.net], since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done are described here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet

More information about the DNS records that need to be registered is given in this message: https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00048.html

Is there any DD that can help us?
Alternatively, how can I get DD permissions, so that I can try it myself?

What is your relation to the Debian project?

I have not seen any contributions so far (besides from trying out Debian Edu), so I wonder what your motivations and goals are.

Also, Debian Academy very much used to be run by project members (DDs). Where have they gone? Who is Debian Academy now?

-nik

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 07:13:36AM +0200, Dashamir Hoxha wrote:

Debian Academy has been granted already a VPS for installing Moodle and
other needed tools: https://salsa.debian.org/debian.net-team/requests/-/issues/10

But we still need some help for registering the domain academy.debian.net, since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done are described here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet

More information about the DNS records that need to be registered is given
in this message: https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00048.html

Is there any DD that can help us?

Since Jonathan Bustillos created the salsa issue and is also a member of the debian academy team, it is best if you ask them to do it. They are a DD already and would
have access to master.d.o to do the required setups.

Alternatively, how can I get DD permissions, so that I can try it myself?

It is not something that can happen in a day out of the blue, I'm afraid.

--
Best,
Nilesh

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:21 AM Dominik George <[email protected]>
wrote:

What is your relation to the Debian project?

I try to take advantage of it, if possible. Like everyone else.

I have not seen any contributions so far (besides from trying out Debian

Edu), so I wonder what your motivations and goals are.

Exactly. Besides DebianEdu, I am also trying to help Debian Academy, as
much as I can.
I consider my motivations and goals a private thing, so I'd prefer to not
share them with the wider public, if possible.

Also, Debian Academy very much used to be run by project members (DDs).

Where have they gone? Who is Debian Academy now?

Good questions. Let's wait for their replies. It wouldn't be appropriate
for me to speak for them.

Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:21 AM Dominik George &lt;<a href="mailto:
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

What is your relation to the Debian project?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I try to take advantage of it, if possible. Like everyone else.</div></div><div><br></div><
blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I have not seen any contributions so far (besides from trying out Debian Edu), so I wonder what your motivations and goals are.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Exactly.
Besides DebianEdu, I am also trying to help Debian Academy, as much as I can.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I consider my motivations and goals a private thing, so I&#39;d prefer to not share them
with the wider public, if possible.</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Also, Debian Academy very much used to be run by project members (DDs). Where have they gone? Who is Debian Academy now?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Good questions.
Let&#39;s wait for their replies. It wouldn&#39;t be appropriate for me to speak for them.</div></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div><br></div></div></div>

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Hi Dashamir (2022.09.30_05:13:36_+0000)

Debian Academy has been granted already a VPS for installing Moodle and
other needed tools: https://salsa.debian.org/debian.net-team/requests/-/issues/10

But we still need some help for registering the domain academy.debian.net, since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done are described here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet

I could do it for you, but I assumed that you'd want one of your team
members to own the records, rather than having me own them...

That's why I suggested that you (presumably jathan) do it.

SR

--
Stefano Rivera
http://tumbleweed.org.za/
+1 415 683 3272

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:31 AM Nilesh Patra <[email protected]> wrote:

Is there any DD that can help us?

Since Jonathan Bustillos created the salsa issue and is also a member of
the
debian academy team, it is best if you ask them to do it. They are a DD already and would
have access to master.d.o to do the required setups.

I completely agree with you. Let's wait and see if Jonathan can do it.

Alternatively, how can I get DD permissions, so that I can try it myself?

It is not something that can happen in a day out of the blue, I'm afraid.

I understand. I was afraid about that too, but it was just another option.

Regards,
Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:31 AM Nilesh Patra &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">nilesh@
debian.org</a>&gt; wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
&gt; Is there any DD that can help us?<br>

Since Jonathan Bustillos created the salsa issue and is also a member of the<br>
debian academy team, it is best if you ask them to do it. They are a DD already and would<br>
have access to master.d.o to do the required setups.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I completely agree with you. Let&#39;s wait and see if Jonathan can do it.</div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
&gt; Alternatively, how can I get DD permissions, so that I can try it myself?<br>

It is not something that can happen in a day out of the blue, I&#39;m afraid.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I understand. I was afraid about that too, but it was just
another option.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:
arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div></div></div>

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Hi,

Exactly. Besides DebianEdu, I am also trying to help Debian Academy, as much as I can.
I consider my motivations and goals a private thing, so I'd prefer to not share them with the wider public, if possible

If your motivations are private, then I'd suggest you not use Debian's community infrastructure and not request privileges within the community for it.

-nik

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Hi Stefano,

On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 08:35:49AM +0000, Stefano Rivera wrote:

Hi Dashamir (2022.09.30_05:13:36_+0000)

Debian Academy has been granted already a VPS for installing Moodle and other needed tools: https://salsa.debian.org/debian.net-team/requests/-/issues/10

But we still need some help for registering the domain academy.debian.net, since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done are described here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet

I could do it for you, but I assumed that you'd want one of your team
members to own the records, rather than having me own them...

That's why I suggested that you (presumably jathan) do it.

I (DD) offered Dashamir my help. I told him I'd recruit another DD to act as a backup for me. Would you be interested in acting as that other DD? (jathan has left debian-academy project.)

Thanks, Bye,

Joost

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Hi Joost (2022.09.30_08:41:37_+0000)

I could do it for you, but I assumed that you'd want one of your team members to own the records, rather than having me own them...

That's why I suggested that you (presumably jathan) do it.

I (DD) offered Dashamir my help. I told him I'd recruit another DD to act as a
backup for me. Would you be interested in acting as that other DD? (jathan has left debian-academy project.)

Sorry, I'm not looking to get involved in the academy project. My
involvement was spinning up the VM for the debian.net team.

You (Debian Academy) really do need to find Debian Developers to be part
of your team. The debian.net team rules state that the infrastructure is
for Debian Developers, not the broader community. We're spending Debian
money on this infra, and that's where we drew the line.

SR

--
Stefano Rivera
http://tumbleweed.org.za/
+1 415 683 3272

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:39 AM Dominik George <[email protected]> wrote:

I consider my motivations and goals a private thing, so I'd prefer to

not share them with the wider public, if possible

If your motivations are private, then I'd suggest you not use Debian's community infrastructure and not request privileges within the community
for it.

Thanks for your suggestion. With all due respect, please allow me to
decline it. I am giving it a try anyway.

Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:39 AM Dominik George &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"

[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>

&gt; I consider my motivations and goals a private thing, so I&#39;d prefer to not share them with the wider public, if possible<br>

If your motivations are private, then I&#39;d suggest you not use Debian&#39;s community infrastructure and not request privileges within the community for it.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;
font-size:small">Thanks for your suggestion. With all due respect, please allow me to decline it. I am giving it a try anyway.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=
"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div></div></div>

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Hi,

Thanks for your suggestion. With all due respect, please allow me to decline it. I am giving it a try anyway.

I know you are aware that the hosting of Moodle and such for Debian Academy is actually a solved issue.

If Debian Academy wants to restart their efforts and wants a machine with Moodle and academy.debian.net pointing to it, all that is needed is a friendly ping with that information to the DD who has been managing it during the first iteration (which is me)
.

-nik

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:35 AM Stefano Rivera <[email protected]> wrote:

But we still need some help for registering the domain

academy.debian.net,

since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done

are

described here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet

I could do it for you, but I assumed that you'd want one of your team
members to own the records, rather than having me own them...

That's why I suggested that you (presumably jathan) do it.

Thank you Stefano. You can still do it if you can (if you have time). I
don't expect the DNS records to be changed frequently (unless the IP of the
VPS is changed). So, I don't see much advantage in "owning" them ourselves (although I agree that this would be better).

As Joost said, jathan has become a bit unresponsive recently, due to
personal issues (as jathan said himself).
Joost himself refuses to do it, and I don't understand his reasons (I don't think there is a need for a backup DD, at least it is not required for
adding DNS records).
If you add the DNS records, Joost can be a backup for sure (I'd be happy if
he does).

Regards,
Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:35 AM Stefano Rivera &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
&gt; But we still need some help for registering the domain <a href="http://academy.debian.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">academy.debian.net</a>,<br>
&gt; since this can be done only by a DD. The details of how it can be done are<br>
&gt; described here: <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet</a><br>

I could do it for you, but I assumed that you&#39;d want one of your team<br> members to own the records, rather than having me own them...<br>

That&#39;s why I suggested that you (presumably jathan) do it.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thank you Stefano. You can still do it if you can (if you have time). I don&
#39;t expect the DNS records to be changed frequently (unless the IP of the VPS is changed). So, I don&#39;t see much advantage in &quot;owning&quot; them ourselves (although I agree that this would be better).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-
family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">As Joost said, jathan has become a bit unresponsive recently, due to personal issues (as jathan said himself).</div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Joost himself refuses to do it, and I don&#39;t understand his reasons (I don&#39;t think there is a need for a backup DD, at least it is not required for adding DNS records).</

<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">If you add the DNS records, Joost can be a backup for sure (I&#39;d be happy if he does).</div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;

font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div></div></div>

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Hi Dashamir

On 2022/09/30 12:28, Dashamir Hoxha wrote:

If Debian Academy wants to restart their efforts and wants a machine
with Moodle and academy.debian.net <http://academy.debian.net>
pointing to it, all that is needed is a friendly ping with that
information to the DD who has been managing it during the first
iteration (which is me).

We have had discussions on the mailing list, we have had several
meetings, where have you been? What kind of ping do you need?

I think some more patience and understanding about how Debian works
might go a long way in making this easier for you.

Any DD can set up a subdomain on debian.net (as per https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains) - all that Dominik was saying
is that he registered academy.debian.net before, so, he is the one
person who is able to point it to a new location if needed (so, he's
actually trying to help you here).

-Jonathan

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 11:08 AM <[email protected]> wrote:

You (Debian Academy) really do need to find Debian Developers to be part
of your team. The debian.net team rules state that the infrastructure is
for Debian Developers, not the broader community. We're spending Debian
money on this infra, and that's where we drew the line.

That's what we are trying to do. Better sooner than later. Because if we
can't, we are just wasting resources with that VPS, it is useless.

Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 11:08 AM &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">stefanor@debian.
org</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
You (Debian Academy) really do need to find Debian Developers to be part<br>
of your team. The <a href="http://debian.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">debian.net</a> team rules state that the infrastructure is<br>
for Debian Developers, not the broader community. We&#39;re spending Debian<br> money on this infra, and that&#39;s where we drew the line.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">That&#39;s what we are trying to do. Better sooner than later. Because if we can&#
39;t, we are just wasting resources with that VPS, it is useless.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div>
</div></div>

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 11:27 AM Dominik George <[email protected]> wrote:.

I know you are aware that the hosting of Moodle and such for Debian
Academy is actually a solved issue.

Your information is outdated. Maybe it was 2 years ago. It is not now.

If Debian Academy wants to restart their efforts and wants a machine with

Moodle and academy.debian.net pointing to it, all that is needed is a friendly ping with that information to the DD who has been managing it
during the first iteration (which is me).

We have had discussions on the mailing list, we have had several meetings, where have you been? What kind of ping do you need?

You know how the first iteration ended, don't you? We are trying to do something better this time. Maybe the "second iteration" is going to have
the same end and the first one, I don't know. But we are giving it a try anyway.

Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 11:27 AM Dominik George &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"

[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-

left:1ex">

I know you are aware that the hosting of Moodle and such for Debian Academy is actually a solved issue.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Your information is outdated.
Maybe it was 2 years ago. It is not now.</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
If Debian Academy wants to restart their efforts and wants a machine with Moodle and <a href="http://academy.debian.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">academy.debian.net</a> pointing to it, all that is needed is a friendly ping with that information
to the DD who has been managing it during the first iteration (which is me).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">We have had discussions on the mailing list, we have had
several meetings, where have you been? What kind of ping do you need?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">You know
how the first iteration ended, don&#39;t you? We are trying to do something better this time. Maybe the &quot;second iteration&quot; is going to have the same end and the first one, I don&#39;t know. But we are giving it a try anyway.</div></div><div><br>
</div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div><br></div></div></div>

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Dashamir,

We have had discussions on the mailing list, we have had several meetings, where have you been? What kind of ping do you need?

You know how the first iteration ended, don't you? We are trying to do something better this time. Maybe the "second iteration" is going to have the same end and the first one, I don't know. But we are giving it a try anyway.

I consider your way of interacting with other community members as not helpful. And I ask you to reconsider it, and ask yourself whether you have the skills to drive a community project in Debian forward or not. I conclude that from my observations from
Debian Edu as well.

Our first encounter was you grabbing tasks in Debian Edu which others had stood up for, without properly interacting with them. I see the same pattern happening here, and it is the reason why I have refrained from participating in your efforts to date.

The first iteration Endes because no content was produced, because the Academy team did not find the time. It did not end due to any technical issues or issues with the hosting. I see no reason why handing over hosting or DNS to you should change
anything about the availability of team members producing content.

Lastly, I do not need to attend any regular meetings in order to manage a VPS and a Moodle installation. I do not have time to get involved with Academy more closely than operating the necessary platforms, but I still can do that.

What I will not do is point a Debian DNS record to a machine managed by you, because I had no chance to build enough trust in your work to date.

The kind of ping I need is a mail with something like "Nik, can Teckids please provide a Moodle VPS for Academy again?". That does not require attending any meetings.

Yet, please make sure that another DD from the Academy team steps up to get root access to that machine.

-nik

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 2:32 PM Dashamir Hoxha <[email protected]> wrote:

By the way, we (Debian Academy) are having a meeting soon about DNS
records.

I forgot to include this reference: https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00071.html

Any DD that is interested is invited.

The date and time are not final yet, but most probably it will on "Tue Oct 04, 2022 14:30 UTC", at: https://jitsi.debian.social/DebAcademy
date --date="Tue Oct 04, 2022 14:30 UTC"

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DebianAcademy+meeting&iso=20221004T1430&p1=%3A&ah=1

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 2:32 PM Dashamir Hoxha &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]">
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style=
"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">By the way, we (Debian Academy) are having a meeting soon about DNS records.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">
I forgot to include this reference: <a href="https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00071.html">https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/2022/09/msg00071.html</a></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Any DD that is interested is invited.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-
size:small">The date and time are not final yet, but most probably it will on &quot;Tue Oct 04, 2022 14:30 UTC&quot;, at: <a href="https://jitsi.debian.social/DebAcademy" target="_blank">https://jitsi.debian.social/DebAcademy</a></div><div style="font-
family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">date --date=&quot;Tue Oct 04, 2022 14:30 UTC&quot;<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DebianAcademy+meeting&amp;
iso=20221004T1430&amp;p1=%3A&amp;ah=1" target="_blank">https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DebianAcademy+meeting&amp;iso=20221004T1430&amp;p1=%3A&amp;ah=1</a></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 1:08 PM Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) <
[email protected]> wrote:

I think some more patience and understanding about how Debian works
might go a long way in making this easier for you.

Thanks Jonathan, but I am not having a hard time. If only it was just my impatience, but I am not a teenager.

Any DD can set up a subdomain on debian.net (as per

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains) - all that Dominik was saying
is that he registered academy.debian.net before, so, he is the one
person who is able to point it to a new location if needed (so, he's
actually trying to help you here).

I'm afraid it is not so (look at the other message).
But I am not going to engage in his discourse.

By the way, we (Debian Academy) are having a meeting soon about DNS records. Any DD that is interested is invited.
The date and time are not final yet, but most probably it will on "Tue Oct
04, 2022 14:30 UTC", at: https://jitsi.debian.social/DebAcademy
date --date="Tue Oct 04, 2022 14:30 UTC" https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DebianAcademy+meeting&iso=20221004T1430&p1=%3A&ah=1

Regards,
Dashamir

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 1:08 PM Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) &lt;<a href="mailto:jcc@
debian.org">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
I think some more patience and understanding about how Debian works <br>
might go a long way in making this easier for you.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks Jonathan, but I am not having a hard time. If only it was just my impatience,
but I am not a teenager.</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Any DD can set up a subdomain on <a href="http://debian.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">debian.net</a> (as per <br>
<a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains</a>) - all that Dominik was saying <br>
is that he registered <a href="http://academy.debian.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">academy.debian.net</a> before, so, he is the one <br>
person who is able to point it to a new location if needed (so, he&#39;s <br> actually trying to help you here).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I&#39;m afraid it is not so (look at the other message).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-
family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">But I am not going to engage in his discourse.</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;
font-size:small">By the way, we (Debian Academy) are having a meeting soon about DNS records.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Any DD that is interested is invited.</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">The date and time are not final yet, but most probably it will on &quot;Tue Oct 04, 2022 14:30 UTC&quot;, at: <a href="https://jitsi.debian.social/DebAcademy">https://jitsi.debian.social/DebAcademy</a><
/div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">date --date=&quot;Tue Oct 04, 2022 14:30 UTC&quot;<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="https://www.
timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DebianAcademy+meeting&amp;iso=20221004T1430&amp;p1=%3A&amp;ah=1">https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DebianAcademy+meeting&amp;iso=20221004T1430&amp;p1=%3A&amp;ah=1</a><br></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:
small">Dashamir</div></div></div>

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Dashamir,

I'm afraid it is not so (look at the other message).
But I am not going to engage in his discourse.

I'm afraid you still refuse to learn about proceedings in the Debian project.

Also, you seem to repeatedly read "I do not want to hand over full control to you" as "I do not want to help you".

I offered to reestablish the Moodle hosting for your project. If you think this is not helping you, then this is something you have to cope with. My only condition was that you get another DD involved.

Sadly, by now, I have well-founded reasons to believe that you have driven all DDs in the Academy team away with your attitude.

And yet, I am still willing to support your efforts, if you show some will to cooperate instead of insisting on taking over full power right from the start.

-nik

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 03:27:02PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:

Dashamir,

Dear Peers,

I'm afraid it is not so (look at the other message).
But I am not going to engage in his discourse.

I'm afraid you still refuse to learn about proceedings in the Debian
project.

Also, you seem to repeatedly read "I do not want to hand over full
control to you" as "I do not want to help you".

I offered to reestablish the Moodle hosting for your project. If you
think this is not helping you, then this is something you have to cope
with. My only condition was that you get another DD involved.

Sadly, by now, I have well-founded reasons to believe that you have
driven all DDs in the Academy team away with your attitude.

And yet, I am still willing to support your efforts, if you show some
will to cooperate instead of insisting on taking over full power right
from the start.

A possible way out:

* Grant people access to the new VPS
* People can work on the new VPS
* Show the world the new work
* Have future plans
* Consider again the DNS change


The road ahead with notes
* Grant[0] people[1] access[2] to the new VPS
* People[1] can work on the new VPS
* Show[3] the world[4] the new work
* Have future plans[5]
* Consider again[6] the DNS change


[0] Give
[1] Community
[2] enable
[3] have something to show
[4] opposite of alone
[5] understand that it is never finish
[6] accept that there are pauses, accept that silence is not the end of
the dialog, be aware that each party can/should restart the
conversion



Groeten
Geert Stappers
--
Tomorrow is also September

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