On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 18:00:37 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :
We have a detailed thread over here that shows you can instantly negate the >> DataSetIdentifier (DSID) cookie by a simple action that is trivial to do.
*Google Android "DSID" cookie, Android ID & Android System SafetyCore*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=comp.mobile.android> >> <https://newsgrouper.org/comp.mobile.android/121580/0>
<https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/JedCXG9A/google-android-dsid-cookie-android-id-android-system-safetycore>
Ooops. I apologize to RetroGuy! I didn't realize the RetroGuy was one of
the respondents, where I greatly admire The RetroGuy for what he does for
us (e.g., his archives are the best - and I respect him for doing that!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=alt.comp.os.windows-10>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=,alt.privacy.anon-server>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=comp.mobile.android>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=comp.os.linux.advocacy>
However, my reaction equating those who claim that you can't have privacy
to those who claim you must be slaves is based on facts about privacy.
You can have privacy.
You just have to NOT do exactly what the marketing orgs tell you to do.
You have to think for yourself.
Don't blindly accept all the defaults when setting up a system.
Think about what you're doing.
Make liberal use of that 'skip' button.
The fact that people make the claim that you can't have privacy bothers me
so much that I react vehemently to anyone who says "you can't have privacy" on Android, since you have far more privacy on Android than on iOS simply because an Android phone works 10x better (my guesstimate) after you hit
the skip button, while on iOS devices (which I have plenty of) the device works 1/10th as well when you don't set it up with an Apple Account.
Ask me how I know this fact.
*Google Android "DSID" cookie, Android ID & Android System SafetyCore*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=57594&group=comp.mobile.android#57594>
There's more functionality on (non-rooted) Android when you hit that skip button, and when you replace the Google Apps with their 1:1 equivalents.
Just *look* at the functionality of this search app, for example:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq>
Which I get, for free, with full functionality, simply because I hit the "skip" button, so no app has any way to directly charge me for anything.
<https://skyica.com/appfinder/get/>
If that app doesn't have over 10 times the functionality of the Google Play Store search engine, I'll never again post to Usenet. It's that good.
You can have a /greater/ degree of privacy by following your
instructions noted in the previous thread in relation to a Google
account and the DSID cookie. But "privacy" isn't a term to be assumed
where Android is concerned. There's an interesting article at <https:// www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/03/13/googles-android-decision-bad- news-for-all-samsung-pixel-users/>. (*** see below)
(*** NB - scrolling down the article webpage results in a message: "Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the
browser console for more information)". The browser page is then lost. I
got round this by turning off my Wi-Fi immediately the page had loaded.
The whole page could then be read by scrolling down)
On 2025-03-16 20:06, Jeff Layman wrote:
You can have a /greater/ degree of privacy by following your
instructions noted in the previous thread in relation to a Google
account and the DSID cookie. But "privacy" isn't a term to be assumed
where Android is concerned. There's an interesting article at <https://
www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/03/13/googles-android-decision-bad-
news-for-all-samsung-pixel-users/>. (*** see below)
...
(*** NB - scrolling down the article webpage results in a message:
"Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the
browser console for more information)". The browser page is then lost. I
got round this by turning off my Wi-Fi immediately the page had loaded.
The whole page could then be read by scrolling down)
Confirm (firefox on Linux)
You can bypass that by loading the page, and then on UBlock I click
"disable javascript". I can then page down to the end.
On 17/03/2025 11:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-03-16 20:06, Jeff Layman wrote:
You can have a /greater/ degree of privacy by following your
instructions noted in the previous thread in relation to a Google
account and the DSID cookie. But "privacy" isn't a term to be assumed
where Android is concerned. There's an interesting article at <https://
www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/03/13/googles-android-decision-bad- >>> news-for-all-samsung-pixel-users/>. (*** see below)
...
(*** NB - scrolling down the article webpage results in a message:
"Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the
browser console for more information)". The browser page is then lost. I >>> got round this by turning off my Wi-Fi immediately the page had loaded.
The whole page could then be read by scrolling down)
Confirm (firefox on Linux)
You can bypass that by loading the page, and then on UBlock I click
"disable javascript". I can then page down to the end.
I didn't have the time yesterday to see what was going on with that
page, but reckoned breaking the connection to the mothership might solve
the issue. I tend to use the "Javascript Switcher" extension - it's a
bit easier than going through uBlock as it's a single click to disable/ enable Javascript.
On 2025-03-17 14:27, Jeff Layman wrote:..
On 17/03/2025 11:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
(*** NB - scrolling down the article webpage results in a message:
"Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the
browser console for more information)". The browser page is then lost. I >>>> got round this by turning off my Wi-Fi immediately the page had loaded. >>>> The whole page could then be read by scrolling down)
Confirm (firefox on Linux)
You can bypass that by loading the page, and then on UBlock I click
"disable javascript". I can then page down to the end.
I didn't have the time yesterday to see what was going on with that
page, but reckoned breaking the connection to the mothership might solve
the issue. I tend to use the "Javascript Switcher" extension - it's a
bit easier than going through uBlock as it's a single click to disable/
enable Javascript.
It is also a single click on uBlock.
On 2025-03-16 20:06, Jeff Layman wrote:
You can have a /greater/ degree of privacy by following your
instructions noted in the previous thread in relation to a Google
account and the DSID cookie. But "privacy" isn't a term to be assumed
where Android is concerned. There's an interesting article at <https:// www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/03/13/googles-android-decision-bad- news-for-all-samsung-pixel-users/>. (*** see below)
...
(*** NB - scrolling down the article webpage results in a message: "Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the
browser console for more information)". The browser page is then lost. I got round this by turning off my Wi-Fi immediately the page had loaded.
The whole page could then be read by scrolling down)
Confirm (firefox on Linux)
You can bypass that by loading the page, and then on UBlock I click
"disable javascript". I can then page down to the end.
On 17/03/2025 13:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-03-17 14:27, Jeff Layman wrote:..
On 17/03/2025 11:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
(*** NB - scrolling down the article webpage results in a message:
"Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the
browser console for more information)". The browser page is then
lost. I
got round this by turning off my Wi-Fi immediately the page had
loaded.
The whole page could then be read by scrolling down)
Confirm (firefox on Linux)
You can bypass that by loading the page, and then on UBlock I click
"disable javascript". I can then page down to the end.
I didn't have the time yesterday to see what was going on with that
page, but reckoned breaking the connection to the mothership might solve >>> the issue. I tend to use the "Javascript Switcher" extension - it's a
bit easier than going through uBlock as it's a single click to disable/
enable Javascript.
It is also a single click on uBlock.
<Pedant mode>
Two clicks - one to bring up the uBlock options, and another click to
disable Javascript. It's a single click with the Switcher extension.
<Pedant mode off> ;-)
By the way, did you find out what the Javascript did to get that
application error? Console info is above me I'm afraid.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-03-16 20:06, Jeff Layman wrote:
You can have a /greater/ degree of privacy by following your
instructions noted in the previous thread in relation to a Google
account and the DSID cookie. But "privacy" isn't a term to be assumed
where Android is concerned. There's an interesting article at <https://
www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/03/13/googles-android-decision-bad- >>> news-for-all-samsung-pixel-users/>. (*** see below)
...
(*** NB - scrolling down the article webpage results in a message:
"Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the
browser console for more information)". The browser page is then lost. I >>> got round this by turning off my Wi-Fi immediately the page had loaded.
The whole page could then be read by scrolling down)
Confirm (firefox on Linux)
You can bypass that by loading the page, and then on UBlock I click
"disable javascript". I can then page down to the end.
FYI, scrolling works fine in (google) Chrome with JavaScript enabled.
And yes Jeff, I also have a *one*-click 'JavaScript Toggle On and Off' Extension! :-)
Because an "Account" tells Google you want to automatically log into it.
Without asking for consent. (full circle completed)
Ok, that basically means that we can not instantly negate the DataSetIdentifier (DSID) cookie by a simple action that is trivial to
do. We being the 99% of Android users in the world.
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