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    From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 29 09:28:09 2021
    On some of the free online channels on my samsung TV despite a fast
    internet connection, and it being up close to the router, on some channels
    you get this drop out and it might happen several times while you watch a program.
    Intriguingly, in the main it does not affect the program at all, it tends
    to be just as the ad breaks start or during them, as if the ads were coming from a different server with a poor bandwidth or different routing. Has
    anyone else encountered this. Similarly, on the Amazon Echo Dot which is connected to the music account, one often now gets a small dropout as well. That never used to happen. Monitoring of the broadband sees an almost
    perfect 200 meg feed and a 20meg feed back with little latency, but if you watch specific pings you do tend to get issues. Are we seeing overload of
    the internet at certain times, places and routings? So it does not matter
    what reliability your broadband has if the system falls apart
    internationally then. Brian

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  • From Indy Jess John@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 29 09:58:43 2021
    On 29/12/2021 09:28, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    So it does not matter
    what reliability your broadband has if the system falls apart
    internationally then.

    Your broadband speed is only the first leg of an internet connection. It
    is what you get for the connection to your ISP. Anything that isn't
    available on your ISP's own server has to contend with all other uses of
    the external links.

    With much of the working population currently working from home and the pandemic plus the winter weather encouraging more use of mobiles and
    home computers for entertainment, the internet usage has more than
    doubled according to some reports in the press. This is bound to make
    queues for packets awaiting transmission on the busiest links.

    This is most noticeable on popular services such as Youtube videos. At
    busy times the almost unwatchable because of the duration of all the
    pauses, and I don't bother with the stream as it arrives, I let it get
    to end then play it again from the browser cache.

    Jim

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  • From Mark Undrill@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 29 10:18:55 2021
    On 29/12/2021 09:28, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    On some of the free online channels on my samsung TV despite a fast
    internet connection, and it being up close to the router, on some channels you get this drop out and it might happen several times while you watch a program.
    Intriguingly, in the main it does not affect the program at all, it tends to be just as the ad breaks start or during them, as if the ads were coming from a different server with a poor bandwidth or different routing. Has anyone else encountered this.

    <snip>

    As far as I know, Ad breaks in streams from commercial channel services
    ARE served from different servers which the streaming device has to "go
    fetch" when it encounters an ad break marker in the stream. I expect
    this is what you are experiencing.

    Mark

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Wed Dec 29 10:49:23 2021
    Indy Jess John wrote:

    With much of the working population currently working from home and the pandemic
    plus the winter weather encouraging more use of mobiles and home computers for
    entertainment, the internet usage has more than doubled according to some reports in the press.

    Sounds about right, for my main customer we tripled the bandwidth going into covid, and actually usage only doubled, but it's nice to have the headroom.

    This is bound to make queues for packets awaiting
    transmission on the busiest links.

    Thankfully I have noticed no such thing.

    This is most noticeable on popular services such as Youtube videos. At busy times the almost unwatchable because of the duration of all the pauses, and I don't bother with the stream as it arrives, I let it get to end then play it again from the browser cache.

    Again, that doesn't happen here, I watch far more youtube than TV, and buffering
    is almost non-existent, I can scrub-back and forth along timelines.

    Videos from "newspaper" websites are the ones that I find buffer for ever, I assume they are bandwidth started at the server-end.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Dec 29 10:54:45 2021
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Videos from "newspaper" websites are the ones that I find buffer for ever, I assume they are bandwidth started at the server-end.

    s/started/starved/

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Dec 29 14:47:14 2021
    In article <sqhbgk$ocb$[email protected]>, Indy Jess John <[email protected]> wrote:

    This is most noticeable on popular services such as Youtube videos. At
    busy times the almost unwatchable because of the duration of all the
    pauses, and I don't bother with the stream as it arrives, I let it get
    to end then play it again from the browser cache.

    FWIW since we have a useable limit-per-month that only actually applies
    between 9am and 12-midnight I simply use get-iplayer for BBC and the
    equivalent for yootoob to fetch items as AV files. These generally actually come far quicker than 'watching'. And can then be played from the local
    file.

    I get most of them before 9am so keep well clear of the 'cap' on my
    connection quantity/month. That in turn means the connection is usually
    fast during the day as well as I don't get a local 'throttle' applied if I actually have fetched more than what would be the limit if during the
    limited periods. So can also occasionally get something just before I want
    to watch it.

    Jim

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Dec 30 16:48:32 2021
    I think often the beginnings of lack of net neutrality in the states can be
    to blame where certain services pay for packet priority over some networks.
    I hope somebody has stop this free for all in the US brought in by Mr Trump.
    Brian

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    Andy Burns wrote:

    Videos from "newspaper" websites are the ones that I find buffer for
    ever, I assume they are bandwidth started at the server-end.

    s/started/starved/

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