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    From =?UTF-8?B?Um9nZXIgV2lsa2luc29u?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 09:11:38 2025
    On Sun Jun 1 11:58:20 2025 "J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
    On 16/05/2025 14:07, NY wrote:

    Is SEPMAG run slower then? I always assumed it ran at the same speed as
    film with actual pictures on it, which has several sprocket holes per
    frame (in the 35mm variant anyway - did 16mm SEPMAG exist?), so more adjustable than 1/25.

    Definitely at the same speed .... complex systemes were dreamed up to ensure sync, including, but not limited to Rhythmostart - dubbing suites might need to lock up large numbers of mag bays

    The sound options were

    COMOPT
    SEPMAG
    COMMAG
    SEPOPT (can be recorded linearly without pulldown jitter for recombination at the labs)

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Um9nZXIgV2lsa2luc29u?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 09:13:10 2025
    On Mon May 12 21:34:33 2025 John Williamson wrote:
    On 12/05/2025 21:08, NY wrote:

    I've have thought that well-exposed, well-lit reversal film was capable
    of good results, because any colour cast could easily be corrected in
    the telecine with the tilt-and-twist joysticks. Not as flexible,
    perhaps, as photographic grading, where different coloured filters and exposures could be used for different shots, at the contact printing stage.

    It is, but you need to get the lighting and filtration correct on
    *every* shot, and if you are not indoors, the light often changes enough between takes to be noticeable. This is why, even on programming
    produced entirely on video, there is often a credit for a "colour
    grader", whose job it is to correct the colours so you don't notice the actor's face changing colour when they replace a fluff with a well
    delivered line from earlier or later in the sequence of takes.


    Studio inserts were often "graded" almost live by the Studio VO ... preprogramming arrived in the 1970's

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Um9nZXIgV2lsa2luc29u?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 09:04:58 2025
    On Mon May 12 21:08:42 2025 NY wrote:
    On 12/05/2025 12:07, John Williamson wrote:
    If I remember rightly, the sound guy carried the recorder, with an umbilical lead to the cameraman. Four person crew, cameraman, sound guy, director/ minder and reporter.

    Towards the end of film cameras and separate sound tape recorders, did
    news crews ever use a wireless link between the two? All it needs is to
    send the sync pulses to keep the camera and recorder in sync, so it's
    not high-bandwidth. That would have removed the need for an umbilical
    cord which could have been beneficial in a crowded media scrum.

    Reversal was often stripe

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Um9nZXIgV2lsa2luc29u?=@21:1/5 to Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L on Wed Jun 18 09:21:50 2025
    On Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 [email protected] (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:
    It needs processing, but only once, though if you have a decent
    telecine machine, you can get usable results for broadcast off a
    negative.

    We are talking here about the late sixties and seventies, before hand held video cameras became available. And when only massive quadruplex VTRs were broadcast quality.

    All news film was reversal, usually processed at the TV station, in the BBC TV
    Centre Spur for BBC News, which had nine 16mm photo conductive colour telecines
    from the introduction of colour (flying spot came later), but only five quad VTRs.

    The VTRs were used to play in film received from the regions or abroad on contribution circuits. No local film was taped, insufficient VTRs, thus the large numbers of TKs to play in segments to the live shows.

    News actually more 16mm TKs than main block TK, where TK to tape for broadcast
    was the norm, tape breaks less often that cut film.

    In 1980 16mm Main block had 22/26/27/28/34/35/36 plus two Mk 3 machines - plenty was TX'ed from flim

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Um9nZXIgV2lsa2luc29u?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 29 12:51:29 2025
    On Fri Jun 27 17:06:39 2025 Roderick Stewart wrote:

    The 8 field sequence was really only important in editing. You have to
    keep the odd/even field sequence continuous of course, and for PAL
    you also have to maintain the colour burst blanking sequence which
    repeats every four fields (two frames), but the number of whole cycles
    of subcarrier only repeats every eight fields, so would be 180 degrees
    out of phase after only four. It was possible to get away with edits
    to the nearest four fields as long as there was a change in picture
    content because the timebase corrector would adjust the delay of the
    whole signal to keep the subcarrier continuous, which would result in
    a small sideways shift in the picture - half a subcarrier cycle
    whatever that was, but it was pretty small.


    4 field editing is fine on a shot change, the COLORTEC dumping (110nS) is masked by that very shot change.

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