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  • fake greetings, or pre-set-up cameras

    From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 31 10:19:26 2023
    I am most aware of it on things like "long lost family", where the
    presenter is seen entering the home of the participant - from inside the
    home; but minor versions are everywhere, such as this morning where the presenter mounted a pea-harvesting machine (similar in size to a
    combine), and was greeted by its usual operator - but the greeting was
    seen from cameras already in the cab.

    I understand that a lot of TV involves such subterfuge, but I find these deceptions fairly obvious and thus irritating. Surely their time should
    have passed?

    (Not sure if there's much "tech" about this, sorry. Maybe aspects of the camera[s].)
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    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    science is not intended to be foolproof. Science is about crawling toward the truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Mon Jul 31 14:29:38 2023
    On 31/07/2023 10:19, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    I understand that a lot of TV involves such subterfuge, but I find these deceptions fairly obvious and thus irritating. Surely their time should
    have passed?



    So what alternative do you have?


    Presenter carrying a handheld camera, police style camera clipped to his jacket, cameraman following him around in 'Challenge Anneka' style?

    Don't warn the person in advance and have everything done spontaneously?

    Presumably also dispense with the multiple shots from different
    viewpoints as well?

    By the way I notice a few weeks ago that Nicky Campbell said he never
    looks at any photographs in advance so he sees for the first time at the
    same time as the victim.

    At least he claimed that.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 31 19:23:16 2023
    In message <ua8d02$39kc0$[email protected]> at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:29:38,
    MB <[email protected]> writes
    On 31/07/2023 10:19, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    I understand that a lot of TV involves such subterfuge, but I find
    these deceptions fairly obvious and thus irritating. Surely their
    time should have passed?



    So what alternative do you have?


    Presenter carrying a handheld camera, police style camera clipped to
    his jacket, cameraman following him around in 'Challenge Anneka' style?

    Don't warn the person in advance and have everything done spontaneously?

    I don't have an easy answer - but saying "and then we called on", or
    similar, and showing the presenter going up to the door and ringing the
    bell, then seeing - from inside - the door being opened and them being
    greeted, seems so corny.

    It happened in so many prog.s in a short time last night that I was
    prompted to make the post. I think it's the obvious pretence - the
    people involved are not actors, so I am not criticising them - that the
    visit is a surprise, and they haven't met the person or anyone to do
    with the prog. before (or at least haven't for a while). Not just LLF -
    almost any "documentary", where the local person - sometimes expert (in
    the field being discussed, not presenting) - is being "visited". Shop,
    home, ...

    Presumably also dispense with the multiple shots from different
    viewpoints as well?

    By the way I notice a few weeks ago that Nicky Campbell said he never
    looks at any photographs in advance so he sees for the first time at
    the same time as the victim.

    At least he claimed that.

    Would like to believe so, though the above doesn't make me very
    convinced. But he's probably at the mercy of the producers.




    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe
    the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Tue Aug 1 08:41:50 2023
    On 31/07/2023 19:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    I don't have an easy answer - but saying "and then we called on", or
    similar, and showing the presenter going up to the door and ringing the
    bell, then seeing - from inside - the door being opened and them being greeted, seems so corny.



    Would it be any less corny to have a camera outside and someone ringing
    the door bell then introducing themselves to a stranger.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Aug 1 15:08:56 2023
    In message <uaacvu$3jr0i$[email protected]> at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 08:41:50,
    MB <[email protected]> writes
    On 31/07/2023 19:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    I don't have an easy answer - but saying "and then we called on", or >>similar, and showing the presenter going up to the door and ringing
    the bell, then seeing - from inside - the door being opened and them
    being greeted, seems so corny.



    Would it be any less corny to have a camera outside and someone ringing
    the door bell then introducing themselves to a stranger.

    Well, for "Long Lost Family", where they're basically reporting back (to someone they've spoken to before) on what progress they've made (and
    presumably only when they have made some: if none, I presume it doesn't
    get into the prog.), yes - though it isn't a stranger. For other prog.s
    (and for LLF itself for that matter), do we need the "greet/meet" scene
    at all?
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    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    How do you govern a country that seems to have decided that facts are the work of the devil? - Andy Hamilton on HIGNFY, 2010

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Thu Aug 3 23:36:40 2023
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:23:16 +0100, J. P. Gilliver <[email protected]> wrote:

    I don't have an easy answer - but saying "and then we called on", or
    similar, and showing the presenter going up to the door and ringing the
    bell, then seeing - from inside - the door being opened and them being greeted, seems so corny.

    Like making the tea? Was that not what happened to you?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Fri Aug 4 01:48:11 2023
    In message <[email protected]k> at Thu, 3 Aug 2023
    23:36:40, Paul Ratcliffe <[email protected]> writes
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:23:16 +0100, J. P. Gilliver <[email protected]> wrote:

    I don't have an easy answer - but saying "and then we called on", or
    similar, and showing the presenter going up to the door and ringing the
    bell, then seeing - from inside - the door being opened and them being
    greeted, seems so corny.

    Like making the tea? Was that not what happened to you?

    Wow, if you're remembering that I was once bearded in my lair, you've
    got a good memory! That was about the non-direct-debit surcharge on
    utility bills. I don't _think_ I made them tea - I think the finished
    article did feature some stock footage of a gas hob, and possibly me
    turning off something on my central heating controller, since it made a
    nice loud click. But at least that was plausible.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    I admire him for the constancy of his curiosity, his effortless sense of authority and his ability to deliver good science without gimmicks.
    - Michael Palin on Sir David Attenborough, RT 2016/5/7-13

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