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  • PMQs - blanket coverage?

    From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 28 12:17:13 2023
    (Sorry, not really a _technical_ question.)

    Is it really necessary for all three news networks - BBC, Sky, and GBN -
    to cover the weekly brayfest, live and completely? Oh, and BBC
    Parliament _as well_. That is particularly irritating, having the two
    BBC channels simulcasting it.
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    Radio Times 10-16 November 2012

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Wed Jun 28 12:34:52 2023
    On 28/06/2023 12:17, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Is it really necessary for all three news networks - BBC, Sky, and GBN -
    to cover the weekly brayfest, live and completely? Oh, and BBC
    Parliament_as well_. That is particularly irritating, having the two
    BBC channels simulcasting it.


    The BBC have to cover PMQs - imagine the fuss from the politicians if
    they did not.

    Aren't Sky News and probably GBN just vanity projects that do not make
    any money?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Wed Jun 28 13:42:10 2023
    In message <[email protected]> at Wed, 28 Jun 2023
    13:28:09, Adrian Caspersz <[email protected]d> writes
    On 28/06/2023 12:34, MB wrote:

    The BBC have to cover PMQs - imagine the fuss from the politicians if
    they did not.
    Aren't Sky News and probably GBN just vanity projects that do not
    make any money?

    Going forward, could GBN register as a charity?

    I thought Sky news was - at least initially - a sort of hangover from
    some sort of public service obligation, like ITN was.

    As for GBN, I suspect it actually does appeal to a certain segment of
    the population, so could make a profit - much as (at least I presume!)
    the Daily Mail does (though not quite the same demographic, though a big overlap).
    --
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    At the end of the day, I wasn't asking to kill the pandas, I was simply asking for an audit in terms of conservation resources, and I stand by every word. -Chris Packham, quoted in Radio Times, 29 May - 4 June 2010

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Jun 28 13:39:07 2023
    In message <u7h5ss$1onnc$[email protected]> at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 12:34:52,
    MB <[email protected]> writes
    On 28/06/2023 12:17, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Is it really necessary for all three news networks - BBC, Sky, and GBN -
    to cover the weekly brayfest, live and completely? Oh, and BBC
    Parliament_as well_. That is particularly irritating, having the two
    BBC channels simulcasting it.


    The BBC have to cover PMQs - imagine the fuss from the politicians if
    they did not.

    The BBC should be able to withstand such pressure - I don't think there
    is anything in the actual charter that says specifically they have to
    carry it. But anyway, BBC Parliament would, and I accept it being on
    there.

    PMQs is long past its sell-by date, anyway, due to the behaviour of
    politicians (and those instructing them). Once, I think it was a genuine opportunity to ask questions to elucidate information - OK, barbed
    questions, but at least nominally questions. However, for the last few
    years at least, it has degraded into just a baiting session, where the "questions" are not really questions at all, but just to make the PM (or
    his deputy) look bad. (And this applies whichever party is in power.)
    It's purely a brayfest, serving no purpose; the politicians who might
    make a fuss if it wasn't covered are only the brayers (and those
    controlling them), and thus (a) shouldn't be paid any heed (b) should be ashamed of themselves (but of course have no shame).

    Aren't Sky News and probably GBN just vanity projects that do not make
    any money?

    Dunno. Still doesn't make it any more desirable that they and BBC News duplicate BBC Parliament.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    At the end of the day, I wasn't asking to kill the pandas, I was simply asking for an audit in terms of conservation resources, and I stand by every word. -Chris Packham, quoted in Radio Times, 29 May - 4 June 2010

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Wed Jun 28 13:53:09 2023
    On 28/06/2023 13:42, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    In message <[email protected]> at Wed, 28 Jun 2023
    13:28:09, Adrian Caspersz <[email protected]d> writes
    On 28/06/2023 12:34, MB wrote:

    The BBC have to cover PMQs - imagine the fuss from the politicians
    if they did not.
     Aren't Sky News and probably GBN just vanity projects that do not
    make  any money?

    Going forward, could GBN register as a charity?

    I thought Sky news was - at least initially - a sort of hangover from
    some sort of public service obligation,

    Sky have never had any public service obligation, they only have to
    conform to being 'legal, decent, and honest' as a UK broadcaster

    like ITN was.

    ITV, C4, and C5 all have PSB obligations to provide minimum news output.
    The quotas vary between them, and of course only ITV have to provide
    regional news. (ITN is the national/international news contractor for
    all three of those broadcasters, but ultimate editorial responsibility
    is with each of those broadcasters and not ITN)

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Wed Jun 28 13:57:40 2023
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    (Sorry, not really a _technical_ question.)

    Is it really necessary for all three news networks - BBC, Sky, and GBN -
    to cover the weekly brayfest, live and completely?

    I quite like the Matt Chorley "pause the action" version of PMQs, I just
    listen on radio, there's not that much to be gained by watching it on
    youtube. It's funny, when Times Radio first began, I thought he was
    "too chummy", but I generally find he's OK now.

    Similarly I thought I was going to have to switch off whenever Ayesha
    Hazarika came on (based on her appearances on LBC) but she's far less
    rabidly political now and I quite enjoy her show.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 28 13:28:09 2023
    On 28/06/2023 12:34, MB wrote:

    The BBC have to cover PMQs - imagine the fuss from the politicians if
    they did not.

    Aren't Sky News and probably GBN just vanity projects that do not make
    any money?

    Going forward, could GBN register as a charity?

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Wed Jun 28 13:56:27 2023
    On 28/06/2023 12:17, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    (Sorry, not really a _technical_ question.)

    Is it really necessary for all three news networks - BBC, Sky, and GBN
    - to cover the weekly brayfest, live and completely? Oh, and BBC
    Parliament _as well_. That is particularly irritating, having the two
    BBC channels simulcasting it.
    It's an event that only occurs for 30 mins, once a week. It is, as
    you've observed, only carried on four out of gazillions of other TV
    channels.

    May I suggest you organise a 30 min lunchtime walk every Weds at noon ?
    (Other options are available)

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Wed Jun 28 14:20:29 2023
    On 28/06/2023 13:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    Dunno. Still doesn't make it any more desirable that they and BBC News duplicate BBC Parliament.

    It's not just PMQ. Nicky Campbell is currently broadcasting his live
    radio show every day on Radio 5 Live, BBC2, BBC News and BBC Parliament.

    Last time I accidentally tuned in, the video was from a single camera
    with text in a frame round it.
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    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Wed Jun 28 15:19:08 2023
    On 28/06/2023 13:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    PMQs is long past its sell-by date, anyway, due to the behaviour of politicians (and those instructing them).



    If you think questions in Parliament are bad then try watching the
    Edinbrugh Parliament especially when the Canadian woman is answering
    questions. She reads everything from a pre-prepared script.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Jun 30 16:37:09 2023
    I don't think that matters. I wondered if it all might be a smoke screen as
    I caught the end of something about the so called fair referendum on the EU
    was in fact gerrymandered by the leave campaign. This was from another EU country, but it seems to me having listened to many foreign news outlets recently, that our news of late is very selective.
    Brian

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    On 28/06/2023 12:17, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Is it really necessary for all three news networks - BBC, Sky, and GBN -
    to cover the weekly brayfest, live and completely? Oh, and BBC
    Parliament_as well_. That is particularly irritating, having the two
    BBC channels simulcasting it.


    The BBC have to cover PMQs - imagine the fuss from the politicians if they did not.

    Aren't Sky News and probably GBN just vanity projects that do not make any money?

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