I did not watch a lot of Wimbledon this year but did notice that they
seemed to often have live mikes several time or even wrong soundperhaps.
It can obviously happen on any live programme but seemed a bit more often than usual.
5.1 audio or bog standard stereo, I often find BBC commentaries get
buried in the former ?
On 07/07/2024 17:20, JMB99 wrote:Watch out for the dark green on black subtitles, I cant read them.
Is it just me but at times the commentary is so quiet that it cannot be
heard over the crowd noise. I have put the subtitles on.
Is it just me but at times the commentary is so quiet that it cannot be
heard over the crowd noise. I have put the subtitles on.
On 07/07/2024 17:31, Mark Carver wrote:
5.1 audio or bog standard stereo, I often find BBC commentaries get
buried in the former ?
Panasonic call if Surround Off, V-Audio, V-Audio Surround, V-Audio ProSurround.
Tried them all but all as bad.
Any better on SD, (as an experiment) ?
I had a listen again this afternoon and all seemed OK today.
I went through all the Sound settings but all OK.
Is it just me but at times the commentary is so quiet that it cannot be
heard over the crowd noise. I have put the subtitles on.
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
On 09/07/2024 20:22, Scott wrote:
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
There need to be breaks for the commentators to go to the bogs, grab >something to eat, swap around etc so gives chance for that sort of thing.
Funny how you sometimes here people moaning about trailers then next
minute moaning that not knowing a programme was on. :-)
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 23:43:59 +0100, JMB99 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09/07/2024 20:22, Scott wrote:I don't know about what other people might be moaning about but I am
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
There need to be breaks for the commentators to go to the bogs, grab
something to eat, swap around etc so gives chance for that sort of thing.
Funny how you sometimes here people moaning about trailers then next
minute moaning that not knowing a programme was on. :-)
moaning about the atmosphere and experience of Wimbledon being
disrupted by intrusive trailers. What do others think?
On 09/07/2024 20:22, Scott wrote:
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
There need to be breaks for the commentators to go to the bogs, grab something to eat, swap around etc so gives chance for that sort of thing.
Funny how you sometimes here people moaning about trailers then next
minute moaning that not knowing a programme was on. :-)
On 09/07/2024 23:43, JMB99 wrote:
On 09/07/2024 20:22, Scott wrote:
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
There need to be breaks for the commentators to go to the bogs, grab something to eat, swap around etc so gives chance for that sort of
thing.
Funny how you sometimes here people moaning about trailers then next
minute moaning that not knowing a programme was on. :-)
It won't apply to Wimbledon or other sports programmes, but is it
possible that when the BBC commission or make a programme, it is
produced to fit their 58 minute slots, while if they buy them in off
other operators there is only 58 minutes less the usual advert time, so
they have to add trailers to fill the gaps?
I agree, it's crap. They should hand back to Claire Balding (or whoever)
for a chat about other matches etc, not show a trailer for some totally
off topic BBC 3 prog
It won't apply to Wimbledon or other sports programmes, but is it
possible that when the BBC commission or make a programme, it is
produced to fit their 58 minute slots, while if they buy them in off
other operators there is only 58 minutes less the usual advert time, so
they have to add trailers to fill the gaps?
On 10/07/2024 09:24, Mark Carver wrote:
I agree, it's crap. They should hand back to Claire Balding (or
whoever) for a chat about other matches etc, not show a trailer for
some totally off topic BBC 3 prog
They are running at least two channels simultaneously, she could be
speaking on the other channel.
The BBC have always shown Wimbledon on BBC 1 and 2 simultaneously for decades, literally decades. Never used to be a problem.
The BBC don't provide a feed to anyone else. The commentators are
actually part of the World Feed (produced by Wimbledon's own Host
Broadcaster operation)
So the commentators you hear on the BBC are also heard in other
countries. They have a mute switch, so they can say things that will
only be heard on the BBC. Such as 'back to Claire in the studio'
During the pauses in the play, while the Beeb go off to show trailers,
the Host Broadcaster operation maintains coverage for the benefit of
other countries who wish to stick with it.
On 09/07/2024 20:22, Scott wrote:
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
There need to be breaks for the commentators to go to the bogs, grab something to eat, swap around etc so gives chance for that sort of thing.
Funny how you sometimes here people moaning about trailers then next
minute moaning that not knowing a programme was on. :-)
On 10/07/2024 13:01, Mark Carver wrote:
The BBC have always shown Wimbledon on BBC 1 and 2 simultaneously for
decades, literally decades. Never used to be a problem.
I did not say it was problem, just that use things like trailers as
fillers which moving channels.
I can't remember but I would not be surprised if there used be a much
bigger commentary and presenting team so it might have been easier to
fill gaps.
The BBC don't provide a feed to anyone else. The commentators are
actually part of the World Feed (produced by Wimbledon's own Host
Broadcaster operation)
So the commentators you hear on the BBC are also heard in other
countries. They have a mute switch, so they can say things that will
only be heard on the BBC. Such as 'back to Claire in the studio'
During the pauses in the play, while the Beeb go off to show trailers,
the Host Broadcaster operation maintains coverage for the benefit of
other countries who wish to stick with it.
There is a big difference between 'Service Announcements' that tell you
which programmes will be available and 'Promotional Trails' that select
a particular programme and tell you how wonderful it is going to be.
That is why people don't know which programme is going to be on; because
they aren't being told. There are no longer any service announcements -
just incessant trails for a small group of programmes..
On 10/07/2024 13:15, Mark Carver wrote:
The BBC don't provide a feed to anyone else. The commentators are
actually part of the World Feed (produced by Wimbledon's own Host
Broadcaster operation)
So the commentators you hear on the BBC are also heard in other
countries. They have a mute switch, so they can say things that will
only be heard on the BBC. Such as 'back to Claire in the studio'
During the pauses in the play, while the Beeb go off to show trailers,
the Host Broadcaster operation maintains coverage for the benefit of
other countries who wish to stick with it.
I was not sure how closely integrated there were with Wimbledon though - don't the US broadcasters have their own commentators? I seem to
remember in the past some of big names saying they had been commentating
for US TV as well as the BBC?
As I said up thread, I think you _might_ find those feeds by selecting individual matches (rather than the full BBC packed programmes) on iplayer.I don't suppose that feed is available. (Not that I'm a tennis follower,
During the pauses in the play, while the Beeb go off to show trailers,
the Host Broadcaster operation maintains coverage for the benefit of
other countries who wish to stick with it.
but the question has to be asked!)
In message <[email protected]> at Wed, 10 Jul 2024
So the commentators you hear on the BBC are also heard in other
countries. They have a mute switch, so they can say things that will
only be heard on the BBC. Such as 'back to Claire in the studio'
So they're BBC-slanted (having a _bank_ of switches to they could
say/mute "back to Fred in Washington" as well as the above would be impractical).
Was that always so? I have a faint memory of seeing or hearing a prog.
by one of the American networks, who said something like "let's go over
and hear the British commentary", followed by pock ... pock ... pock ...
for many seconds, culminating in the "oh, I say!" (I know that was
cricket, but you get the gist) - in other words, the American
commentator was amazed at how _little_ the British commentator said.
Yes, the Americans will always insist using their own commentators, and cameras often too. When I was at the Lillehammer winter Olympics, CBS
more or less totally duplicated what the EBU/NRK were providing as
official hosts at all 12 venues. Of course the IoC charged them a
fortune to do that.
I didn't say all English speaking broadcasters take the World Feed commentators, the major broadcastes (US, Austraila, Canada) will use
their own
On 10/07/2024 13:48, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes, the Americans will always insist using their own commentators,
and cameras often too. When I was at the Lillehammer winter Olympics,
CBS more or less totally duplicated what the EBU/NRK were providing as
official hosts at all 12 venues. Of course the IoC charged them a
fortune to do that.
I didn't say all English speaking broadcasters take the World Feed
commentators, the major broadcastes (US, Austraila, Canada) will use
their own
From what I have heard from friends in the US, their coverage is very parochial. A British athlete could just set a new world record at the Olympics but their coverage would be following some unknown US athlete.
On 10/07/2024 13:43, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Was that always so? I have a faint memory of seeing or hearing a prog.
by one of the American networks, who said something like "let's go
over and hear the British commentary", followed by pock ... pock ...
pock ... for many seconds, culminating in the "oh, I say!" (I know
that was cricket, but you get the gist) - in other words, the American
commentator was amazed at how _little_ the British commentator said.
I think I remember people like McEnroe saying that they had been working
with one of the US networks.
On 10/07/2024 09:31, John Williamson wrote:
It won't apply to Wimbledon or other sports programmes, but is it
possible that when the BBC commission or make a programme, it is
produced to fit their 58 minute slots, while if they buy them in off
other operators there is only 58 minutes less the usual advert time,
so they have to add trailers to fill the gaps?
They could still be giving a feed to some other broadcasters who have
adverts or just chances to switch channels as the BBC do between BBC1
and BBC2 and BBC4.
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 23:43:59 +0100, JMB99 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09/07/2024 20:22, Scott wrote:I don't know about what other people might be moaning about but I am
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
There need to be breaks for the commentators to go to the bogs, grab
something to eat, swap around etc so gives chance for that sort of thing.
Funny how you sometimes here people moaning about trailers then next
minute moaning that not knowing a programme was on. :-)
moaning about the atmosphere and experience of Wimbledon being
disrupted by intrusive trailers. What do others think?
On 10/07/2024 13:48, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes, the Americans will always insist using their own commentators, and
cameras often too. When I was at the Lillehammer winter Olympics, CBS
more or less totally duplicated what the EBU/NRK were providing as
official hosts at all 12 venues. Of course the IoC charged them a
fortune to do that.
I didn't say all English speaking broadcasters take the World Feed
commentators, the major broadcastes (US, Austraila, Canada) will use
their own
From what I have heard from friends in the US, their coverage is very
parochial. A British athlete could just set a new world record at the >Olympics but their coverage would be following some unknown US athlete.
On 10/07/2024 13:35, JMB99 wrote:
On 10/07/2024 13:01, Mark Carver wrote:
The BBC have always shown Wimbledon on BBC 1 and 2 simultaneously for
decades, literally decades. Never used to be a problem.
I did not say it was problem, just that use things like trailers as
fillers which moving channels.
It's got nothing to do with that, it's the BBC branding police. They do
the same at half time in football and rugby matches.
I can't remember but I would not be surprised if there used be a much
bigger commentary and presenting team so it might have been easier to
fill gaps.
Back in the day, it was just Harry Carpenter or Des Lynham presenting in
a broom cupboard.
Like any other sport, the amount of resources used today dwarfs what was
used in the 70s and 80s
JMB99 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09/07/2024 20:22, Scott wrote:
I could hear them okay. However I was most unimpressed with the
adverts (aka trailers) during the matches. I thought we paid our
licence fee to avoid this sort of thing.
There need to be breaks for the commentators to go to the bogs, grab
something to eat, swap around etc so gives chance for that sort of thing.
Funny how you sometimes here people moaning about trailers then next
minute moaning that not knowing a programme was on. :-)
There is a big difference between 'Service Announcements' that tell you
which programmes will be available and 'Promotional Trails' that select
a particular programme and tell you how wonderful it is going to be.
That is why people don't know which programme is going to be on; because
they aren't being told. There are no longer any service announcements -
just incessant trails for a small group of programmes..
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 14:01:42 +0100, JMB99 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/07/2024 13:48, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes, the Americans will always insist using their own commentators, and
cameras often too. When I was at the Lillehammer winter Olympics, CBS
more or less totally duplicated what the EBU/NRK were providing as
official hosts at all 12 venues. Of course the IoC charged them a
fortune to do that.
I didn't say all English speaking broadcasters take the World Feed
commentators, the major broadcastes (US, Austraila, Canada) will use
their own
From what I have heard from friends in the US, their coverage is very
parochial. A British athlete could just set a new world record at the
Olympics but their coverage would be following some unknown US athlete.
And you are saying that doesn't happen when the 'home nations' are
playing in the World Cup?
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:43:41 +0100, Mark Carver <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 10/07/2024 13:35, JMB99 wrote:
On 10/07/2024 13:01, Mark Carver wrote:
The BBC have always shown Wimbledon on BBC 1 and 2 simultaneously for
decades, literally decades. Never used to be a problem.
I did not say it was problem, just that use things like trailers as
fillers which moving channels.
It's got nothing to do with that, it's the BBC branding police. They do
the same at half time in football and rugby matches.
I can't remember but I would not be surprised if there used be a much
bigger commentary and presenting team so it might have been easier to
fill gaps.
Back in the day, it was just Harry Carpenter or Des Lynham presenting in
a broom cupboard.
Dan Maskell was my dad's favourite (and Peter Alliss for golf).
On 10/07/2024 14:27, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 14:01:42 +0100, JMB99 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/07/2024 13:48, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes, the Americans will always insist using their own commentators, and >>>> cameras often too. When I was at the Lillehammer winter Olympics, CBS
more or less totally duplicated what the EBU/NRK were providing as
official hosts at all 12 venues. Of course the IoC charged them a
fortune to do that.
I didn't say all English speaking broadcasters take the World Feed
commentators, the major broadcastes (US, Austraila, Canada) will use
their own
From what I have heard from friends in the US, their coverage is very
parochial. A British athlete could just set a new world record at the
Olympics but their coverage would be following some unknown US athlete.
And you are saying that doesn't happen when the 'home nations' are
playing in the World Cup?
You've clearly never seen American TV !! If the BBC and ITV adopted
their principles, they'd _never_ show a Euro or World Cup match that one
of our 'Home' teams wasn't playing in.
On 10/07/2024 14:23, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:43:41 +0100, Mark Carver <[email protected]>As Des said once, 'Harry Commentator is your Carpenter'
wrote:
On 10/07/2024 13:35, JMB99 wrote:
On 10/07/2024 13:01, Mark Carver wrote:
The BBC have always shown Wimbledon on BBC 1 and 2 simultaneously for >>>>> decades, literally decades. Never used to be a problem.
I did not say it was problem, just that use things like trailers as
fillers which moving channels.
It's got nothing to do with that, it's the BBC branding police. They do
the same at half time in football and rugby matches.
I can't remember but I would not be surprised if there used be a much
bigger commentary and presenting team so it might have been easier to
fill gaps.
Back in the day, it was just Harry Carpenter or Des Lynham presenting in >>> a broom cupboard.
Dan Maskell was my dad's favourite (and Peter Alliss for golf).
Exactly. That's why I can tolerate the adverts on commercial channels, because they are paying for the programmes, but I object to incessant
trails on the BBC, where we are paying for the programmes (and indeed
for the trails).
You've clearly never seen American TV !! If the BBC and ITV adopted
their principles, they'd _never_ show a Euro or World Cup match that one
of our 'Home' teams wasn't playing in.
On 10/07/2024 14:53, Scott wrote:
You have not met my brother, who said he won't start enjoying the
World Cup until England are out ...
There are some very sad Scottish football supporters, I suspect some
would rather see England lose than see one of the rare occasions when >Scotland win.
I have no interest in football but never forgotten when Murray made his >stupid comment about the England football team. Fortunately I had
plenty of opportunities to see him lose in later years.
You have not met my brother, who said he won't start enjoying the
World Cup until England are out ...
On 10/07/2024 14:30, Scott wrote:
Exactly. That's why I can tolerate the adverts on commercial channels,
because they are paying for the programmes, but I object to incessant
trails on the BBC, where we are paying for the programmes (and indeed
for the trails).
Are you like some Americans who think it is their duty to sit watching
the adverts for that reason?
For the record, I disagree with my brother.
On 10/07/2024 16:52, Scott wrote:
For the record, I disagree with my brother.
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