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    From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 09:01:09 2023
    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/>

    QUOTE The problem was originally described by industrial engineer John
    Forester in his 800-page book Effective Cycling, which boasted seven
    editions (MIT Press, 2012).

    Forester estimated that accidents on bike lanes are 2.6 times higher than
    on roadways, because bike paths are more dangerous. He forecast more
    car-bike collisions, because it is difficult to make intersections between cycle lanes and roads as safe as normal roads. Almost 90 percent of urban accidents were caused by crossing or turning—either by the cyclist failing
    to obey the rules of the road or the motorist turning into the cyclist, as happened in the case of Langenkamp.

    Writing about California plans for bike lanes, Forester stated, “Nobody
    with traffic-engineering training could believe that [bikeway] designs that
    so contradicted normal traffic-engineering knowledge would produce safe
    traffic movements.... If these designs had been proposed for some class of motorized traffic—say, trucks or motorcycles—the designers would have been considered crazy.”ENDQUOTE

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Sun Aug 20 00:26:27 2023
    On 19/08/23 21:01, Spike wrote:

    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/>

    QUOTE The problem was originally described by industrial engineer John Forester in his 800-page book Effective Cycling, which boasted seven
    editions (MIT Press, 2012).

    Forester estimated that accidents on bike lanes are 2.6 times higher than
    on roadways, because bike paths are more dangerous. He forecast more
    car-bike collisions, because it is difficult to make intersections between cycle lanes and roads as safe as normal roads. Almost 90 percent of urban accidents were caused by crossing or turning—either by the cyclist failing to obey the rules of the road or the motorist turning into the cyclist, as happened in the case of Langenkamp.

    Writing about California plans for bike lanes, Forester stated, “Nobody with traffic-engineering training could believe that [bikeway] designs that so contradicted normal traffic-engineering knowledge would produce safe traffic movements.... If these designs had been proposed for some class of motorized traffic—say, trucks or motorcycles—the designers would have been
    considered crazy.”ENDQUOTE

    Agreed.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Spike on Sun Aug 20 08:43:53 2023
    Spike <[email protected]d> wrote:

    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/>

    QUOTE The problem was originally described by industrial engineer John Forester in his 800-page book Effective Cycling, which boasted seven
    editions (MIT Press, 2012).

    Forester estimated that accidents on bike lanes are 2.6 times higher than
    on roadways, because bike paths are more dangerous. He forecast more
    car-bike collisions, because it is difficult to make intersections between cycle lanes and roads as safe as normal roads. Almost 90 percent of urban accidents were caused by crossing or turning—either by the cyclist failing to obey the rules of the road or the motorist turning into the cyclist, as happened in the case of Langenkamp.

    Writing about California plans for bike lanes, Forester stated, “Nobody with traffic-engineering training could believe that [bikeway] designs that so contradicted normal traffic-engineering knowledge would produce safe traffic movements.... If these designs had been proposed for some class of motorized traffic—say, trucks or motorcycles—the designers would have been
    considered crazy.”ENDQUOTE

    QUOTE Jan Heine, editor-in-chief of Bicycle Quarterly, wrote, “Any barrier that separates the cyclist visually from other traffic effectively hides
    the cyclist. This is counterproductive to safety. Moving cyclists out of
    the roadway altogether, on separate bike paths, is even more dangerous,
    because drivers don’t look for (or cannot see) cyclists off to the side.” He continued, “On streets with frequent intersections, separate paths only make cycling less safe. I wish those who advocate for them would look at
    the data and stop asking for facilities that will cause more accidents.”ENDQUOTE

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