I've had my licence for a while but never installed any antennas for
many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be near the
top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment.
Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

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On 02/05/2023 14:49, Simon Ferrol wrote:

I've had my licence for a while but never installed any antennas for
many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be near the
top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment. Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

Joystick

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On Tue, 2 May 2023 13:49:56 +0000, Simon Ferrol
<[email protected]> wrote: `

I've had my licence for a while but never installed any
antennas for many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be
near the top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install
an antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the
moment. Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile
masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

The usual reason is bloodymindedness, a common affliction
suffered by people who take offence at others enjoying
themselves, whether it's keeping goldfish, or tending a window
box.

Your council may already look kindly on amateur radio,
they may not, while allowing the Filth to do as they please with
towers and antennas.

You can put up an antenna and see what happens

You can apply to remove an antenna, when they say in
writing you can't put one up in order to comply.

Good luck.
--
"You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a
police state." - Nick Hanauer, https://tinyurl.com/amcvjuxx

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On 02/05/2023 14:49, Simon Ferrol wrote:

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment. Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

The main reason would be that they don't have the skills to risk assess
it, so take the easy way out.

You need to do a very good risk assessment, including consideration of
RF field levels in other flats (which the licence has, implicitly
required for a long time, but has been recently made a very explicit requirement.

Mobile masts will have gone through an expensive site clearance process,
and are generally phased arrays/colinears, with very little downwards
signal. They will also have good lightning protection, which could be
an issue if your antenna extends above the top of the building.

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Simon Ferrol <[email protected]> wrote:

I've had my licence for a while but never installed any antennas for
many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be near the
top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment. Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

If you were at the top you may be in with more of a chance- I suspect the feeder / coax will be an issue besides the antenna.

I assume you won’t have a balcony? If you will, there are various designs - many aimed at those travelling etc- which fit on balconies and you only put
out when needed.

Look up ‘stealth’ antennas or balcony antennas.


As a youngster, we lived in a 3 story block, on the top floor. I was a
short wave listener and managed to use a catapult to fire a thin wire out
of a window ‘back’ over the roof and catch it at the other side. It just lay on the roof. One end fed into my bedroom. It better than nothing, but
I doubt it would have been much good for transmitting.

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On Tue, 2 May 2023 21:40:57 -0000 (UTC), Brian <[email protected]> wrote:

As a youngster, we lived in a 3 story block, on the top floor. I was a
short wave listener and managed to use a catapult to fire a thin wire out
of a window ‘back’ over the roof and catch it at the other side. It just lay on the roof. One end fed into my bedroom. It better than nothing, but
I doubt it would have been much good for transmitting.

As an end fed half wave, it would have been perfect. Coax
to 49:1 Balun to .mm wire. would be invisible.

--
Seek the company of people who, when left alone in a room with a
tea cosy, will always try it on. - Billy Connolly

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In message <u2r4e4$pd2l$[email protected]>, Simon Ferrol <[email protected]> writes

I've had my licence for a while but never installed any antennas for
many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be near the
top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment. >Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

"It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission"

George Burt GM3OXX operated from a high rise council flat not far
from here. He used a centre fed vertical wire fed by an open wire
feeder. I visited him a few times and found the antenna hard to spot,
and I knew what I was looking for. He operated using only 1W and worked
the world.

I'd put up something stealthy so as not to incur the wrath of the
neighbours who might clype.

Brian GM4DIJ
--
Brian Howie

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On 03/05/2023 21:56, brian wrote:

In message <u2r4e4$pd2l$[email protected]>, Simon Ferrol <[email protected]> writes

I've had my licence for a while but never installed any antennas for
many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be near the
top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment.
Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

"It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission"

George Burt GM3OXX  operated from  a  high rise council flat  not far from here. He used a centre fed vertical wire fed by an open wire
feeder.  I visited him  a few times and found the antenna hard to spot,
and I knew what I was looking for. He operated using only 1W and worked
the world.

I'd put up something stealthy so as not to incur the wrath of the
neighbours who might clype.

Brian GM4DIJ

Having worked in a LA planning dept I can confirm they weren't
interested in searchng for antennas and would only respond to complaints
like over boundary over roads etc ..... somebody put in a planning and
Building warrant application for an extenstion showing antennas on each
chimney on the proposed trying to sneek them through.... when they came
in to discuss the plans I said nice 2m xy and whatever it was on the
other chimney ... they were a bit shocked...tee hee

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On 04/05/2023 07:47, Jim Stewart ... wrote:

On 03/05/2023 21:56, brian wrote:

In message <u2r4e4$pd2l$[email protected]>, Simon Ferrol
<[email protected]> writes

I've had my licence for a while but never installed any antennas for
many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be near the
top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment.
Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

"It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission"

George Burt GM3OXX  operated from  a  high rise council flat  not far
from here. He used a centre fed vertical wire fed by an open wire
feeder.  I visited him  a few times and found the antenna hard to
spot, and I knew what I was looking for. He operated using only 1W and
worked the world.

I'd put up something stealthy so as not to incur the wrath of the
neighbours who might clype.

Brian GM4DIJ

Having worked in a LA planning dept I can confirm they weren't
interested in searchng for antennas and would only respond to complaints
like over boundary over roads etc ..... somebody put in a planning and Building warrant application for an extenstion showing antennas on each chimney on the proposed trying to sneek them through.... when they came
in to discuss the plans I said nice 2m xy and whatever it was on the
other chimney ... they were a bit shocked...tee hee

but then again I was on the RSGB planning committee in the early 80's
just after the first CB influx and you wouldn't believe what people were doing.....slinging wires accross roads.... poking antennas through
council house roofs with no flashing.....bolting on masts to the top of
soil vent pipes....etc etc

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On 04/05/2023 11:36, jim.gm4dhj wrote:

On 04/05/2023 07:47, Jim Stewart ... wrote:

On 03/05/2023 21:56, brian wrote:

In message <u2r4e4$pd2l$[email protected]>, Simon Ferrol
<[email protected]> writes

I've had my licence for a while but never installed any antennas for
many reasons.

I am going move to a high rise council flat. My flat will be near
the top, so very close to the roof.

Is there any reason why a council will not let a tenant install an
antenna for ham radio? There are no other antennas at the moment.
Neighbouring estate has a tower with tons of mobile masts.

I need to know that so I can make a decision.

"It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission"

George Burt GM3OXX  operated from  a  high rise council flat  not far >>> from here. He used a centre fed vertical wire fed by an open wire
feeder.  I visited him  a few times and found the antenna hard to
spot, and I knew what I was looking for. He operated using only 1W
and worked the world.

I'd put up something stealthy so as not to incur the wrath of the
neighbours who might clype.

Brian GM4DIJ

Having worked in a LA planning dept I can confirm they weren't
interested in searchng for antennas and would only respond to
complaints like over boundary over roads etc ..... somebody put in a
planning and Building warrant application for an extenstion showing
antennas on each chimney on the proposed trying to sneek them
through.... when they came in to discuss the plans I said nice 2m xy
and whatever it was on the other chimney ... they were a bit
shocked...tee hee

but then again I was on the RSGB planning committee in the early 80's
just after the first CB influx and you wouldn't believe what people were doing.....slinging wires accross roads.... poking antennas through
council house roofs with no flashing.....bolting on masts to the top of
soil vent pipes....etc etc

I resigned in disgust after less than a year

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