I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/barrister- training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur Rahman
who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers- register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and make
public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/barriste
r- training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur
Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself that
the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each year,
outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of around
six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid.
bb
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and make
public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/barriste
r- training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur
Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself that
the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each year,
outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of around
six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid.
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I mentioned,
you will find he doesn't see it that way.
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and make public >> the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/barrister-
training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur Rahman
who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself that
the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each year,
outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of around
six to one.
billy bookcase <[email protected]> wrote:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and make public >>> the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/barrister-
training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur Rahman
who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself that
the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each year,
outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of around
six to one.
[.]
Is there any particular reason why successful Bar Final candidates
outnumber the available pupillage places by six to one?
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and
make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur
Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself
that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each
year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of
around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid.
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers in
whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no interest
whatsoever ?
On 19:18 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and
make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur
Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself
that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each
year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of
around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid.
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers in
whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no interest
whatsoever ?
You don't seem to understand how LinkedIn works. A bit of Googling might
be useful.
Back on topic, I take it you're unable to help with my original query
about where to read the grounds for a waiver of pupillage?
On 19:18 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and
make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur
Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself
that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each
year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of
around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid.
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers in
whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no interest
whatsoever ?
You don't seem to understand how LinkedIn works. A bit of Googling might
be useful.
Back on topic, I take it you're unable to help with my original query
about where to read the grounds for a waiver of pupillage?
On 01/07/2025 14:22, Pamela wrote:
On 19:18 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and
make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur
Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself
that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each
year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of
around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid.
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers in
whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no interest
whatsoever ?
You don't seem to understand how LinkedIn works. A bit of Googling might
be useful.
Back on topic, I take it you're unable to help with my original query
about where to read the grounds for a waiver of pupillage?
I'm sure if you've researched it and come up with nothing, I won't be
able to do any better. So I'll offer a possibility based on little more
than common sense. A lawyer who qualified in a foreign jurisdiction who
wants to practise as a barrister in England might need to take some sort
of exam but would surely be exempted from pupillage, ie a form of
training contract for newbie barristers.
On 01/07/2025 14:22, Pamela wrote:
On 19:18 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and
make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur
Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself
that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each
year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of
around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid.
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers in
whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no interest
whatsoever ?
You don't seem to understand how LinkedIn works. A bit of Googling might
be useful.
Back on topic, I take it you're unable to help with my original query
about where to read the grounds for a waiver of pupillage?
I'm sure if you've researched it and come up with nothing, I won't
be able to do any better. So I'll offer a possibility based on
little more than common sense. A lawyer who qualified in a foreign jurisdiction who wants to practise as a barrister in England
might need to take some sort of exam but would surely be exempted
from pupillage, ie a form of training contract for newbie barristers.
"The Todal" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On 01/07/2025 14:22, Pamela wrote:
On 19:18 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and
make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur >>>>>>> Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself
that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each
year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of
around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be
able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid. >>>>>>
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers in
whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no interest
whatsoever ?
You don't seem to understand how LinkedIn works. A bit of Googling might >>> be useful.
Back on topic, I take it you're unable to help with my original query
about where to read the grounds for a waiver of pupillage?
I'm sure if you've researched it and come up with nothing, I won't
be able to do any better. So I'll offer a possibility based on
little more than common sense. A lawyer who qualified in a foreign
jurisdiction who wants to practise as a barrister in England
might need to take some sort of exam but would surely be exempted
from pupillage, ie a form of training contract for newbie barristers.
Whereas rather more common sense would surely suggest, that
English/Welsh courtroom procedure and practice, as taught during
pupillage, six months under supervision, six months solo, *is the very thing* which anyone qualifying under a foreign jurisdiction, whatever
else they might need to do, would *certainly need to experience
at first hand*. If only to unlearn any bad habits.
Whereas for anyone intending to mainly practice overseas ....
On 01/07/2025 19:02, billy bookcase wrote:
"The Todal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 01/07/2025 14:22, Pamela wrote:
On 19:18 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the >>>>>>>> requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and >>>>>>>> make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad Mujeerbur >>>>>>>> Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself >>>>>>> that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals each >>>>>>> year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a ratio of >>>>>>> around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to be >>>>>>> able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm afraid. >>>>>>>
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers in >>>>> whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no interest
whatsoever ?
You don't seem to understand how LinkedIn works. A bit of Googling might >>>> be useful.
Back on topic, I take it you're unable to help with my original query
about where to read the grounds for a waiver of pupillage?
I'm sure if you've researched it and come up with nothing, I won't
be able to do any better. So I'll offer a possibility based on
little more than common sense. A lawyer who qualified in a foreign
jurisdiction who wants to practise as a barrister in England
might need to take some sort of exam but would surely be exempted
from pupillage, ie a form of training contract for newbie barristers.
Whereas rather more common sense would surely suggest, that
English/Welsh courtroom procedure and practice, as taught during
pupillage, six months under supervision, six months solo, *is the very
thing* which anyone qualifying under a foreign jurisdiction, whatever
else they might need to do, would *certainly need to experience
at first hand*. If only to unlearn any bad habits.
Whereas for anyone intending to mainly practice overseas ....
The Bar Standards Board does not necessarily agree with you.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/asset/C280A533%2DF921%2D4130%2D8B30E7DDE3DDB7D0/
CRITERIA AND GUIDELINES FOR TRANSFERRING QUALIFIED LAWYER
As a TQL (including Teachers of the Law of England and Wales) you may apply for
exemption from the academic, vocational, and/or work-based learning/pupillage components of training for the Bar of England and Wales.
7.3 The competences relating to the work-based learning component of Bar training/pupillage are shown in the Professional Statement Mapping Document (see Annex
H).
You will need to demonstrate how you have been able to satisfy these competences
through your educational/professional qualifications and/or your employment or
experience of practice.
7.3.2 You will need to address each of the competences individually or thematically (eg
Communication skills, Research Skills, Advocacy, Professional Standards, etc). Please
refer to Section A (para 2.6-2.8) of these guidelines for information on the content
and format of supporting documents.
If you are unable to demonstrate that you meet all of the relevant competences of the
Professional Statement, you may be required to complete a period of non-practising
and/or practising pupillage.
end quote
On 01/07/2025 16:25, The Todal wrote:
On 01/07/2025 14:22, Pamela wrote:
On 19:18 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 12:48 30 Jun 2025, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and
make public the reasons for a waiver?
I can't get much info from here:
<https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/training-qualification/
barrister-training-waivers-and-exemptions.html>
In this particular instance. the barrister is Muhammad
Mujeerbur Rahman who declares his waiver on his LinkedIn page.
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
Should you care to check, you'll be able to confirm for yourself
that the total number of candidates passing their Bar Fimals
each year, outnumbers the number of pupillages on offer, by a
ratio of around six to one.
So there's another nice conspiracy theory, ("they only need to
be able to write their names") straight out of the window, I'm
afraid.
bb
If you were to look at this barrister's LinkedIn page as I
mentioned, you will find he doesn't see it that way.
Why should I look at LinkedIn pages, posted by complety strangers
in whom, unlike yourself it would seem, I have absolutely no
interest whatsoever ?
You don't seem to understand how LinkedIn works. A bit of Googling
might be useful.
Back on topic, I take it you're unable to help with my original
query about where to read the grounds for a waiver of pupillage?
I'm sure if you've researched it and come up with nothing, I won't
be able to do any better. So I'll offer a possibility based on
little more than common sense. A lawyer who qualified in a foreign
jurisdiction who wants to practise as a barrister in England might
need to take some sort of exam but would surely be exempted from
pupillage, ie a form of training contract for newbie barristers.
Come to think of it, this transcript of a Tribunal decision is
interesting inasmuch as it requires Mr Rahman to prove that he is
authorised to conduct litigation and indicates that the case was not
prepared by him very well. But let's be mindful of the laws of
defamation. And pupillage is not likely to be relevant here.
https://tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk/utiac/ui-2024-004654
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and make public the reasons for a waiver?
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers- register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
"Pamela" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I notice a particular barrister received a full waiver from the
requirement of pupillage. Does the Bar Standards Board log and make
public the reasons for a waiver?
Having finally clicked on your bottom link, the reason appears
to be self-evident.
Thus while he is a Certified Barrister, Mr Rahman is not qualified
to conduct litigation. Which concerns the administrative and
practical tasks necessary to bring a case to Court.
It was this deficiency on Mr Rahman's part, which was the subject Mr
Todal's informative post.
While this, among other things is knowledge which the year of
pupillage might provide.
He is however able to offer advice on various topics; and also deal
directly with members of the public.
So that providing he never has any intention of actually conducting
cases in Court (although paradoxically he does have rights of
audience ) or securing a tenancy in Chambers and getting work that
way - but either setting up on his own or getting a job as an
in-house lawyer, pupillage might be of little benefit to him, in any
case.
In addition to Alan Clark, Margaret Thatcher famously read and was
called to the Bar; having only previously read Chemistry at Oxford.
She then reputedly specialised in Tax Law. Whether this was as an in
house lawyer - having skipped puplillage I'm not sure; and am about
to try and find out.
This is also the answer to the general query as to the shortages
of pupillages. That they're simply not necessary for anyone seeking
to work as an in-house lawyer or simply and advisor in the lucrative
field of commercial law. So that while pupillage isn't necessary,
presumably being a registered and certified barrister, and paying the
fees each year, must still bring benefits of some kind.
bb
https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/barristers-
register/B60E992E6AFD3F50DC0ED356A1DCA04D.html
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