…because doing so is a recordable hate-related non-crime, according to the news this morning. The report below is a previous publication on the
matter.
In the ten years following the introduction of operational guidance, some 250,000 such incidents have been recorded.
<https://freespeechunion.org/police-are-incorrectly-recording-too-many-non-crime-hate-incidents-watchdog-warns/>
Quote:
The report prepared by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) was commissioned in September 2023 by Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, following concerns that public confidence in the police was being eroded by forces “pandering to politically correct causes” and taking sides on controversial issues.
In its report, the policing watchdog considered several issues, including
how police deal with NCHIs.
As defined by the College of Policing’s (CoP’s) 2014 Hate Crime Operation Guidance (HCOG), an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on
a ‘protected’ characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived
religion, and so on).
“Perceived” is the operative word here, since as the guidance goes on to note: “The victim does not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff should not directly challenge this perception. Evidence of the hostility is not required.”
In other words, according to the CoP, the recording threshold for an NCHI
is that someone has taken subjective offence to something perfectly lawful that someone else has said or posted online, whether it’s directed at them or not.
Unquote.
On 28 Jun 2025 at 09:25:02 BST, "Spike" <[email protected]> wrote:
…because doing so is a recordable hate-related non-crime, according
to the news this morning. The report below is a previous
publication on the matter.
In the ten years following the introduction of operational
guidance, some 250,000 such incidents have been recorded.
<https://freespeechunion.org/police-are-incorrectly-recording-too-many-non-crime-hate-incidents-watchdog-warns/>
Quote:
The report prepared by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary
and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) was commissioned in September
2023 by Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, following
concerns that public confidence in the police was being eroded by
forces “pandering to politically correct causes” and taking sides
on controversial issues.
In its report, the policing watchdog considered several issues,
including how police deal with NCHIs.
As defined by the College of Policing’s (CoP’s) 2014 Hate Crime Operation Guidance (HCOG), an NCHI is any incident perceived by the
victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice
to the victim based on a ‘protected’ characteristic (race or
perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
“Perceived” is the operative word here, since as the guidance goes
on to note: “The victim does not have to justify or provide
evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff should not
directly challenge this perception. Evidence of the hostility is
not required.”
In other words, according to the CoP, the recording threshold for
an NCHI is that someone has taken subjective offence to something
perfectly lawful that someone else has said or posted online,
whether it’s directed at them or not.
Unquote.
You give no reference for suggesting singing Flower of Scotland being
a hate crime. Was it proper news or something like GBNews that told
you that? Did you check to see whether they were being facetious
without telling you?
The "free speech union" is of course a right wing propaganda
organisation. Whether recording non-crime hate incidents is a good
thing or a bad thing surely depends on what they do with the
information. If they use it to help people be nice to each other
surely that can only be a good thing? Except of course for right wing propaganda organisations trying to whip up communal hatred?
On 28 Jun 2025 14:52:58 GMT
Roger Hayter <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Jun 2025 at 09:25:02 BST, "Spike" <[email protected]> wrote:
…because doing so is a recordable hate-related non-crime, according
to the news this morning. The report below is a previous
publication on the matter.
In the ten years following the introduction of operational
guidance, some 250,000 such incidents have been recorded.
<https://freespeechunion.org/police-are-incorrectly-recording-too-many-non-crime-hate-incidents-watchdog-warns/>
Quote:
The report prepared by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary
and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) was commissioned in September
2023 by Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, following
concerns that public confidence in the police was being eroded by
forces “pandering to politically correct causes” and taking sides
on controversial issues.
In its report, the policing watchdog considered several issues,
including how police deal with NCHIs.
As defined by the College of Policing’s (CoP’s) 2014 Hate Crime
Operation Guidance (HCOG), an NCHI is any incident perceived by the
victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice
to the victim based on a ‘protected’ characteristic (race or
perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
“Perceived” is the operative word here, since as the guidance goes
on to note: “The victim does not have to justify or provide
evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff should not
directly challenge this perception. Evidence of the hostility is
not required.”
In other words, according to the CoP, the recording threshold for
an NCHI is that someone has taken subjective offence to something
perfectly lawful that someone else has said or posted online,
whether it’s directed at them or not.
Unquote.
You give no reference for suggesting singing Flower of Scotland being
a hate crime. Was it proper news or something like GBNews that told
you that? Did you check to see whether they were being facetious
without telling you?
The "free speech union" is of course a right wing propaganda
organisation. Whether recording non-crime hate incidents is a good
thing or a bad thing surely depends on what they do with the
information. If they use it to help people be nice to each other
surely that can only be a good thing? Except of course for right wing
propaganda organisations trying to whip up communal hatred?
Further down in the article, it states:"One reason why the High Court
and the Court of Appeal looked askance at the recording and retention
of NCHIs on the scale it was happening is because they can show up on enhanced criminal records checks and stop people getting jobs."
That is something that I would be pretty peeved off about if it happened
to me. If I haven't committed a crime, why should it be on my record?
On 28 Jun 2025 at 16:00:35 BST, "Davey" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 28 Jun 2025 14:52:58 GMT
Roger Hayter <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Jun 2025 at 09:25:02 BST, "Spike" <[email protected]>
wrote:
…because doing so is a recordable hate-related non-crime,
according to the news this morning. The report below is a previous
publication on the matter.
In the ten years following the introduction of operational
guidance, some 250,000 such incidents have been recorded.
<https://freespeechunion.org/police-are-incorrectly-recording-too-many-non-crime-hate-incidents-watchdog-warns/>
Quote:
The report prepared by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary
and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) was commissioned in September
2023 by Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, following
concerns that public confidence in the police was being eroded by
forces “pandering to politically correct causes” and taking sides
on controversial issues.
In its report, the policing watchdog considered several issues,
including how police deal with NCHIs.
As defined by the College of Policing’s (CoP’s) 2014 Hate Crime
Operation Guidance (HCOG), an NCHI is any incident perceived by
the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or
prejudice to the victim based on a ‘protected’ characteristic
(race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so
on).
“Perceived” is the operative word here, since as the guidance goes >>> on to note: “The victim does not have to justify or provide
evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff should not
directly challenge this perception. Evidence of the hostility is
not required.”
In other words, according to the CoP, the recording threshold for
an NCHI is that someone has taken subjective offence to something
perfectly lawful that someone else has said or posted online,
whether it’s directed at them or not.
Unquote.
You give no reference for suggesting singing Flower of Scotland
being a hate crime. Was it proper news or something like GBNews
that told you that? Did you check to see whether they were being
facetious without telling you?
The "free speech union" is of course a right wing propaganda
organisation. Whether recording non-crime hate incidents is a good
thing or a bad thing surely depends on what they do with the
information. If they use it to help people be nice to each other
surely that can only be a good thing? Except of course for right
wing propaganda organisations trying to whip up communal hatred?
Further down in the article, it states:"One reason why the High
Court and the Court of Appeal looked askance at the recording and
retention of NCHIs on the scale it was happening is because they
can show up on enhanced criminal records checks and stop people
getting jobs." That is something that I would be pretty peeved off
about if it happened to me. If I haven't committed a crime, why
should it be on my record?
You are aware of course that any rumour or accusation against you, or
any suspicion, can also show up on enhanced checks, even if you have
never been told about it, quite apart from "hate incidents"? I agree personally that both are unacceptable. But we will be told to "think
of the children".
On 28 Jun 2025 at 09:25:02 BST, "Spike" <[email protected]> wrote:
…because doing so is a recordable hate-related non-crime, according to the >> news this morning. The report below is a previous publication on the
matter.
In the ten years following the introduction of operational guidance, some
250,000 such incidents have been recorded.
<https://freespeechunion.org/police-are-incorrectly-recording-too-many-non-crime-hate-incidents-watchdog-warns/>
Quote:
The report prepared by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire >> & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) was commissioned in September 2023 by Suella
Braverman, the former home secretary, following concerns that public
confidence in the police was being eroded by forces “pandering to
politically correct causes” and taking sides on controversial issues.
In its report, the policing watchdog considered several issues, including
how police deal with NCHIs.
As defined by the College of Policing’s (CoP’s) 2014 Hate Crime Operation
Guidance (HCOG), an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any
bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on >> a ‘protected’ characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived
religion, and so on).
“Perceived” is the operative word here, since as the guidance goes on to >> note: “The victim does not have to justify or provide evidence of their
belief, and police officers or staff should not directly challenge this
perception. Evidence of the hostility is not required.”
In other words, according to the CoP, the recording threshold for an NCHI
is that someone has taken subjective offence to something perfectly lawful >> that someone else has said or posted online, whether it’s directed at them >> or not.
Unquote.
You give no reference for suggesting singing Flower of Scotland being a hate crime.
Was it proper news or something like GBNews that told you that? Did
you check to see whether they were being facetious without telling you?
The "free speech union" is of course a right wing propaganda organisation. Whether recording non-crime hate incidents is a good thing or a bad thing surely depends on what they do with the information. If they use it to help people be nice to each other surely that can only be a good thing? Except of course for right wing propaganda organisations trying to whip up communal hatred?
You are aware of course that any rumour or accusation against you, or any suspicion, can also show up on enhanced checks, even if you have never been told about it, quite apart from "hate incidents"? I agree personally that both
are unacceptable. But we will be told to "think of the children".
On 28/06/2025 16:08, Roger Hayter wrote:
You are aware of course that any rumour or accusation against you, or any
suspicion, can also show up on enhanced checks, even if you have never
been
told about it, quite apart from "hate incidents"? I agree personally
that both
are unacceptable. But we will be told to "think of the children".
I hear you, but there's the example of Ian Huntley.
"Though Ian Huntley had no convictions for sex offences, he had been
reported to police in his native Humberside on six occasions over sexual assaults or sexual relationships with underage girls."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/17/soham.ukcrime2
He was vetted, but the process was bungled. However, if allegations are
not even recorded, then there's nothing to find. And, if you don't
record the allegations, there's no way to notice that there are six
separate ones.
So, yes, think of the children.
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