Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. Seemed very key
to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

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On 15/05/2025 05:26 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. Seemed very key
to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

English law was in force in the colonies at the time of the rebellion.
Had it not been, there would have been no law at all.

American federal and state law continues to reflect its English roots.

See: https://lawshun.com/article/does-english-law-apply-in-us

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According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear several >references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. Seemed very key
to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here
and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a memorial near
Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American Bar Association.

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On 2025-05-15, Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. Seemed very key
to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

US law is derived from English law as it was at the time of the states
becoming independent (except Louisiana, because that was French).

e.g. the original New York State Constitution said:

... such parts of the common law of England, and of the statute law
of England and Great Britain, and of the acts of the legislature of
the colony of New York, as together did form the law of the said
colony on the 19th day of April, in the year of our Lord one
thousand seven hundred and seventy-five, shall be and continue the
law of this State, subject to such alterations and provisions as the
legislature of this State shall, from time to time, make concerning
the same ...

It's pretty standard I think for territories that abolish or become
independent of a previous system to nevertheless initially continue
to apply all of the laws of that system unless and until they get
around to amending them. Otherwise you'd probably have terrible
chaos to begin with. And English law of course was already old by
the time of US independence, so there may be quite large chunks
that they haven't felt the need to adjust too fundamentally.

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On 15 May 2025 at 18:06:37 BST, ""John Levine"" <[email protected]> wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear several
references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. Seemed very key
to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here
and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a memorial near
Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American Bar Association.

Perhaps their admire it on behalf of their current Barons, Musk, Trump etc.

--

Roger Hayter

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On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear
several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. Seemed >>very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here and
was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a
memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American Bar Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US has
gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I believe
could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

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On 15/05/2025 08:30 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear
several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. Seemed >>> very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here and
was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a
memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American Bar
Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US has gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?

Or to an institution located in the United States?

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On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:54:10 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 15/05/2025 08:30 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear
several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant.
Seemed very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here
and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common
law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a
memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American Bar
Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US has
gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I
believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?

Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

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On 16/05/2025 03:19 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:54:10 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 15/05/2025 08:30 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear
several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant.
Seemed very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here
and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common
law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a
memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American Bar
Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US has
gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I
believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?
Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

Luckily, further and better particulars are available.

The document is the property of Harvard University, which is a private institution located within the United States..

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On Fri, 16 May 2025 16:33:35 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 16/05/2025 03:19 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:54:10 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 15/05/2025 08:30 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear
several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant.
Seemed very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here
and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common
law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a
memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American
Bar Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US
has gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I
believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?
Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

Luckily, further and better particulars are available.

The document is the property of Harvard University, which is a private institution located within the United States..

And ?

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On 2025-05-16, Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:54:10 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 15/05/2025 08:30 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear
several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant.
Seemed very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here
and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common
law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a
memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American Bar
Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US has
gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I
believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?

Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

It's owned by Harvard Law School, an institution which is currently
being threatened by someone who fancies themselves a king.

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According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US
has gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I >>>>> believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?
Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

Luckily, further and better particulars are available.

The document is the property of Harvard University, which is a private
institution located within the United States..

And ?

The current US government has stripped Harvard of its research contracts and threatened to
revoke its tax exemption, based on rather strained accusations of sntisemitism, which under
US law would not be a basis to do that anyway. Here's a recent article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/us/politics/trump-harvard-international-students.html

For anyone unfamiliar with current US politics, you can assume that everything Kristi Noem
says is wromg.


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On Fri, 16 May 2025 17:34:31 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US >>>>>> has gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what >>>>>> I believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?
Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

Luckily, further and better particulars are available.

The document is the property of Harvard University, which is a private
institution located within the United States..

And ?

The current US government has stripped Harvard of its research contracts
and threatened to revoke its tax exemption, based on rather strained accusations of sntisemitism, which under US law would not be a basis to
do that anyway. Here's a recent article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/us/politics/trump-harvard-

international-students.html

For anyone unfamiliar with current US politics, you can assume that everything Kristi Noem says is wromg.

Thank you - now I've got more information, as noted upthread, my irony
meter is broken. Doubly so, for folk who accuse Americans of not "getting
it ..." :)

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On Fri, 16 May 2025 15:26:07 +0000, Jon Ribbens wrote:

On 2025-05-16, Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:54:10 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 15/05/2025 08:30 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear
several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant.
Seemed very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here
and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common
law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a
memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American
Bar Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US
has gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I
believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?

Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

It's owned by Harvard Law School, an institution which is currently
being threatened by someone who fancies themselves a king.

The irony meter just exploded.

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"John Levine" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1007sv7$2gur$[email protected]...

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US >>>>>> has gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I >>>>>> believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?
Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

Luckily, further and better particulars are available.

The document is the property of Harvard University, which is a private
institution located within the United States..

And ?

The current US government has stripped Harvard of its research contracts and threatened to revoke its tax exemption, based on rather strained accusations of sntisemitism, which under US law would not be a basis to do that anyway. Here's a recent article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/us/politics/trump-harvard-international-students.html

For anyone unfamiliar with current US politics, you can assume that everything
Kristi Noem says is wromg.

Trump is also threatening to suspend Habeus Corpus, which is enshrined in Clause
39 of Magna Carta, if not explicitly by name. Such that (translated) "no free man
can be imprisoned 'except by the lawful judgement of his peers, his social equals,
or by the law of the land'.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/2015-parliament-in-the-making/get-involved1/2015-banners-exhibition/ruth-ewan/1215-magna-carta-gallery/

quote:

Donald Trump's administration is "actively looking at" suspending habeas corpus - the
right of a person to challenge their detention in court - one of the US president's top
aides has said.

Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, told reporters on Friday that the
US Constitution allowed for the legal liberty to be suspended in times of "rebellion or
invasion".

:unquote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qgz18glljo


bb

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On 16/05/2025 05:18 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 16:33:35 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 16/05/2025 03:19 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:54:10 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 15/05/2025 08:30 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:06:37 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:

Just caught some of the SCOTUS case today, and was amused to hear >>>>>>> several references to *English* law - yes, the law of the tyrant. >>>>>>> Seemed very key to US doctrines on equity for some reason.

We liked your law just fine, it was the taxes we objected to.

English common law before the US revolution is still precedent here >>>>>> and was cited a lot in the 1800s before we developed our own common >>>>>> law.

For some reason, Americans go gaga over the Magna Carta. There's a >>>>>> memorial near Runnymede erected in 1957, paid for by the American
Bar Association.

I find it richly ironic that at this very moment, it appears the US
has gained a genuine original copy of the Magna Carta through what I >>>>> believe could be called "providence".

Is someone up there making a point ?

Does that example belong to the United States?
Or to an institution located in the United States?

Beyond the headline of "$28 dollar facsimile of the Magna Carta now
believed to be genuine" I have no further details.

Luckily, further and better particulars are available.

The document is the property of Harvard University, which is a private
institution located within the United States..

And ?

Them's the further details.

The ones you said you didn't have!

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