Evisas are the new way to make travel more miserable. UK joins the
"club" April 2 with �10-16 visas. Airlines are supposed to have an
automated check but if they incorrectly refuse boarding who bears responsibility & ultimate costs? Liability the other way (gov on
airline) is �2k but what about the passengers incorrectly refused?

Quote: For the majority of travellers, airlines and ferry companies
will be expected to verify the ETA status before the passenger boards
a flight or ship to the UK. They will be penalised if they fail to
check. The government says: "Where an inadequately documented arrival
(IDA) is brought to the UK, the carrier may be liable for a fine of up
to �2,000."

(When the EU sorts out Schengen's version eventually this Q will apply
to almost everyone.)

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Colum Mylod <[email protected]ove> wrote:

Evisas are the new way to make travel more miserable. UK joins the
"club" April 2 with £10-16 visas. Airlines are supposed to have an
automated check but if they incorrectly refuse boarding who bears responsibility & ultimate costs? Liability the other way (gov on
airline) is £2k but what about the passengers incorrectly refused?

Surely this is just a simple query: passport number goes in, yes/no comes
out?

If 'no' comes up incorrectly, you'd have to take it up with the government
that maintains the database.

Unlike with real visas (where there are lots of types, rules and
different corner cases) this seems at first glance straightforward?

Will there be more extensive checks on the evisa status, eg counting the
number of days you've been present in the country and refusing you if they think you've overstayed (which could cause a refusal if they miscounted)? I don't think UK airports even have exit checks at present, or do they get
that information from passenger manifests?

Theo

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On 05 Mar 2025 11:23:33 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<[email protected]> wrote:

Colum Mylod <[email protected]ove> wrote:

Evisas are the new way to make travel more miserable. UK joins the
"club" April 2 with �10-16 visas. Airlines are supposed to have an
automated check but if they incorrectly refuse boarding who bears
responsibility & ultimate costs? Liability the other way (gov on
airline) is �2k but what about the passengers incorrectly refused?

Surely this is just a simple query: passport number goes in, yes/no comes >out?

Others' experiences of the existing settlement scheme (all online, no
physical cards) is occasionally name-NI-etc go in, an invalid "no" or
other failure comes out. In my question, you're about to board but
Computer says "no" and the airline refuses you. If it should have said
"yes", who pays the consequences? Gate staff are supposed to call it
in (HO 24hr number) but in reality there's a common layer of dumbness
in the outsourced function. So you go elsewhere and sue the original
airline?

Unlike with real visas (where there are lots of types, rules and
different corner cases) this seems at first glance straightforward?

Unlike the US scheme, there's no "print me as proof".

Will there be more extensive checks on the evisa status, eg counting the >number of days you've been present in the country and refusing you if they >think you've overstayed (which could cause a refusal if they miscounted)? I >don't think UK airports even have exit checks at present, or do they get
that information from passenger manifests?

The desks were installed around 2010-12 to start exit checks but
understaffing meant it never happened. Exits are taken from airline
records (you can get a list with a SAR) but no guarantee they're
correct, or ferry exits are tracked. Could easily mean an unregistered
exit leads to an invalid overstay status. Again, if you find out at
the next flight, where's the liability?


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On 06/03/2025 10:50, Colum Mylod wrote:

Others' experiences of the existing settlement scheme (all online, no physical cards) is occasionally name-NI-etc go in, an invalid "no" or
other failure comes out. In my question, you're about to board but
Computer says "no" and the airline refuses you. If it should have said
"yes", who pays the consequences? Gate staff are supposed to call it
in (HO 24hr number) but in reality there's a common layer of dumbness
in the outsourced function. So you go elsewhere and sue the original
airline?

I'm a UK resident, but not a citizen. The only time I have had trouble
was coming in to the UK at one of the channel ports. They made my
(English) wife and I go and park in a corner until they'd dealt with
everyone else. Even though I was able to produce a UK driving licence
which I'd had for decades.

Then told me I could go, with no explanation. I wasn't going to argue then!

I don't think there will be many problems.

Andy



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