Our actual water hardness here is apparently between 5 and 9 ˚dH, and all >the
signs are that it is pretty hard (limescale forms at the slightest >opportunity).
How do I compare these results with each other and your "dH" figure?Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
I have an IKEA diswasher manual in front of me, >https://www.ikea.com/nl/en/manuals/rengora-integrated-dishwasher-ikea-300__AA-2192023-3-1.pdf.
I like that it advises not to store explosives in it (page 5). but I am >baffled by the table on page 8.
It says that "average"(?) water hardness is 12-16 ?dH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water#Hard/soft_classification says that >12-16 ?dH is deep into very hard territory.
On 05/07/2025 in message <[email protected]> D.M. Procida >wrote:
Our actual water hardness here is apparently between 5 and 9 ?dH, and all >>the
signs are that it is pretty hard (limescale forms at the slightest >>opportunity).
My water turns to limescale as I fill the kettle!
AI says It falls within the range of 100 to 200 mg of calcium carbonate
per liter.
Harvey Water Softeners says 324.20 parts per million (doesn't define parts
of what).
Fountain Filters says You've got HARD WATER!
Wessex Water say they don't supply my are which is odd as I pay my bill to >them.
Bournemouth Waters says Most of our water supply can be classified as >‘moderately hard’ (on a scale of one to ten this would be seven).
How do I compare these results with each other and your "dH" figure?
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it.
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it.
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/
north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our shower heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up, and my
coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's windows.
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it. >>
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/ north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our shower heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up, and my coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it. >>
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/ north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our shower heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up, and my coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it. >>>
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/
north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our shower
heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up, and my
coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his
hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's
windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
Limescale from hard water causes another problem. The rough surface it
leaves is ideal for black mould to grip onto. It's remarkable how the
tiles and grout in the shower soon start showing spots of black mould.
have a water softener. Not for drinking water, though.
In article <lyyaQ.3102$[email protected]>,
Sam Plusnet <[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it. >>>>
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/
north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our shower >>> heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up, and my
coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his
hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's
windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
Or, as we do, have a water softener. Not for drinking water, though.
Sam Plusnet <[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:Ah, but on the other hand hard water is better for your heart if I
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it. >> >>
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/
north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our shower >> > heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up, and my
coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his
hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's
windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
remember right.
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:16:21 +0100, Chris Green <[email protected]> wrote:
Sam Plusnet <[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:Ah, but on the other hand hard water is better for your heart if I
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought it. >>>>>
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/ >>>> north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our shower >>>> heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up, and my >>>> coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his >>>> hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's >>>> windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
remember right.
And supplies valuable calcium and other minerals to your body, among other things keeping your bones healthy. Also protects the iron pipes and keeps the threads sealed.
If anyone has any information to the contrary, please keep it to yourself. I need to go out to descale a toilet cistern later, limescale buildup is causing a
trickle, this needs an upside. Cold feed, lid on, 16 - 20 °dH.
Thomas Prufer
Jethro_uk wrote:
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley
Leicester is fed from the Derwent/Ladybower reservoirs, gravity-fed all
the way.
On 07/07/2025 05:53, Thomas Prufer wrote:
[quoted text muted]I didn't say soft water was better, I just said it was drinkable OK
Plenty of calcium in milk.
[quoted text muted]I have zero regrets installing a water softener (ion exchange type) for
all but one kitchen and one outside tap.
On Sun, 06 Jul 2025 17:51:41 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley
Leicester is fed from the Derwent/Ladybower reservoirs, gravity-fed all
the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elan_aqueduct
The fact this was all put in place over a century ago is a testament to
an age when forward planning for the masses was still considered
worthwhile.
How much shit is there in our rivers now ?
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought
it.
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/
north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our
shower heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up,
and my coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his
hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's
windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
On Sun, 06 Jul 2025 18:40:34 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 06/07/2025 18:01, NY wrote:
On 06/07/2025 17:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 12:00:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
[quoted text muted]Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"
We're in Brum fed by the Elan valley, and our water is as soft as
possible.
Bottom of our 13 year old kettle is still as metal as when we bought
it.
We can boil a pan of water dry and be left with nothing.
You lucky people!
We are in east Yorkshire and the water is as hard as nails because it
comes from underground aquifers rather than from reservoirs as in west/
north Yorkshire, the Peak District, Brum etc. We have to soak our
shower heads in limescale descaler every few months when they clog up,
and my coffee maker insists on being descaled about every fortnight.
Our window cleaner carries a tub of softened water in his van which his
hosepipe is attached to, to avoid leaving limescale streaks on people's
windows.
You also would have to use far more soap & detergent to get the same
results as us (soft water area).
You really should either get a rebate, or be supplied with better
quality water.
It's an interesting idea that living in a hard water area is actually a
bit more expensive than a soft water area.
I wonder if it's reflected in property values ?
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