The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other stores in the country).
I used to like their paint: not cheap but certainly cheaper than the big names, and (I thought) very good quality. (Same applised, now come to think of
it to Wilkos.)
Are there any suggestions for substitutes? Nearest B&Q is 25 miles away (and I never liked B&Q anyway). We Do have a Toolstation and a Screwfix in town (next door to each other). Not shops you can browse, of course, but ultra-efficient warehouse fronts. I've never shopped at either, being change-resisitant (but they drive you into a cormer, don't they?)>
Cheers
Another John
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other stores in the country).
I used to like their paint: not cheap but certainly cheaper than the big names, and (I thought) very good quality. (Same applised, now come to think of
it to Wilkos.)
Are there any suggestions for substitutes? Nearest B&Q is 25 miles away (and I never liked B&Q anyway). We Do have a Toolstation and a Screwfix in town (next door to each other). Not shops you can browse, of course, but ultra-efficient warehouse fronts. I've never shopped at either, being change-resisitant (but they drive you into a cormer, don't they?)>
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other stores in the country).
I used to like their paint: not cheap but certainly cheaper than the big names, and (I thought) very good quality. (Same applised, now come to think of
it to Wilkos.)
Are there any suggestions for substitutes? Nearest B&Q is 25 miles away (and I never liked B&Q anyway). We Do have a Toolstation and a Screwfix in town (next door to each other). Not shops you can browse, of course, but ultra-efficient warehouse fronts. I've never shopped at either, being change-resisitant (but they drive you into a cormer, don't they?)>
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many
other
stores in the country).
I used to like their paint: not cheap but certainly cheaper than the big names, and (I thought) very good quality. (Same applised, now come to
think of
it to Wilkos.)
Are there any suggestions for substitutes? Nearest B&Q is 25 miles away
(and
I never liked B&Q anyway). We Do have a Toolstation and a Screwfix in
town
(next door to each other). Not shops you can browse, of course, but ultra-efficient warehouse fronts. I've never shopped at either, being change-resisitant (but they drive you into a cormer, don't they?)>
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other stores in the country).
I used to like their paint: not cheap but certainly cheaper than the big names, and (I thought) very good quality. (Same applised, now come to think of
it to Wilkos.)
Are there any suggestions for substitutes?
I never liked B&Q anyway).We Do have a Toolstation
(next door to each other). Not shops you can browse, of course, but ultra-efficient warehouse fronts. I've never shopped at either, being change-resisitant (but they drive you into a cormer, don't they?)>
Cheers
Another John
On 17/06/2025 20:29, Another John wrote:
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many
other
stores in the country).
Ours is now a B&Q
On 17/06/2025 20:29, Another John wrote:
.We Do have a Toolstation
was owned by wickes - now de-merged
and a Screwfix in town
owned by B&Q
I often use Screwfix. Order on the web site for click and collect.
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other stores in the country).
I used to like their paint: not cheap but certainly cheaper than the big names, and (I thought) very good quality. (Same applised, now come to think of
it to Wilkos.)
Are there any suggestions for substitutes?
On 17/06/2025 23:32, David Wade wrote:
On 17/06/2025 20:29, Another John wrote:
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many
other
stores in the country).
Ours is now a B&Q
That's what's happened to the Altrincham one. Which is slightly odd, as
B&Q closed down their one in the next road, some years ago.
Clearly when sticking someone else's name on the tin, you can modify
what goes into the tin, to adjust cost/quality, maybe try a few sample
pots? I don't think I've ever bought Crown/Leyland/Johnstones ...
On 17/06/2025 23:39, SteveW wrote:
On 17/06/2025 23:32, David Wade wrote:Apparently a dispute over rent. In those days I think the Retail Park
On 17/06/2025 20:29, Another John wrote:
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many
other
stores in the country).
Ours is now a B&Q
That's what's happened to the Altrincham one. Which is slightly odd,
as B&Q closed down their one in the next road, some years ago.
was owned by Crown Estates, I believe these days its St James Investment
Dave
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Clearly when sticking someone else's name on the tin, you can modify
what goes into the tin, to adjust cost/quality, maybe try a few sample
pots? I don't think I've ever bought Crown/Leyland/Johnstones ...
I've used Johnstones Trade, which was pretty good. I think Leyland is their more budget range - only premix, limited numbers of shades, only giant tubs, etc. Haven't used it much but seemed ok, only used it for touch ups so
can't comment on opacity.
Wickes brand was hopelessly thin in comparison - needed 3 coats where 2
trade would have done it.
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other stores in the country).
I used to like their paint: not cheap but certainly cheaper than the big names, and (I thought) very good quality. (Same applised, now come to think of
it to Wilkos.)
Are there any suggestions for substitutes? Nearest B&Q is 25 miles away (and I never liked B&Q anyway). We Do have a Toolstation and a Screwfix in town (next door to each other). Not shops you can browse, of course, but ultra-efficient warehouse fronts. I've never shopped at either, being change-resisitant (but they drive you into a cormer, don't they?)>
Cheers
Another John
On 17/06/2025 21:33, Theo wrote:
Trade paint isn't cheap but
you use less of it and it saves a lot of time.
I would have said the exact opposite
Trade paint isn't cheap but
you use less of it and it saves a lot of time.
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 17/06/2025 21:33, Theo wrote:
Trade paint isn't cheap but
you use less of it and it saves a lot of time.
I would have said the exact opposite
'Trade' stuff is the good stuff where time is money and you're judged on results - pay more to get the job done better and faster. This is what pro decorators use.
'Contract' stuff is the minimum grade for builders building to a price.
May be quick to install but not the best quality.
'Consumer' grade assumes the DIYer only cares about the price and their time is
free.
Theo
On 17/06/2025 20:29, Another John wrote:
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other >> stores in the country).
Ours is now a B&Q
On 18/06/2025 11:13, Theo wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 17/06/2025 21:33, Theo wrote:
Trade paint isn't cheap but
you use less of it and it saves a lot of time.
I would have said the exact opposite
'Trade' stuff is the good stuff where time is money and you're judged on results - pay more to get the job done better and faster. This is what pro decorators use.
well..depends on waht you mean by 'pro decorator'
'Contract' stuff is the minimum grade for builders building to a price.
May be quick to install but not the best quality.
That is the magnolia that only looks even when sprayed onto a fresh
layer of finishing plaster
I know that as 'trade'
'Consumer' grade assumes the DIYer only cares about the price and their time is
free.
Well where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded with pigments and sold mainly to consumers
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:I dont :-)
On 18/06/2025 11:13, Theo wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:well..depends on waht you mean by 'pro decorator'
On 17/06/2025 21:33, Theo wrote:
Trade paint isn't cheap but
you use less of it and it saves a lot of time.
I would have said the exact opposite
'Trade' stuff is the good stuff where time is money and you're judged on >>> results - pay more to get the job done better and faster. This is what pro >>> decorators use.
People who paint houses for a living, rather than splashing a bit of paint
on while doing something else. Time is money, and the performance of the paint is critical to getting the job done well and fast.
'Contract' stuff is the minimum grade for builders building to a price.That is the magnolia that only looks even when sprayed onto a fresh
May be quick to install but not the best quality.
layer of finishing plaster
Yep, beloved of new builds because you can make the walls white with minimal cost. The buyer isn't going to not buy the house for a substandard paint finish and is probably going to repaint it afterwards anyway.
Based on the penny pinching, Mr Persimmon is chuckling all the way to the bank with his £110m bonus.
I know that as 'trade'
Very different.
'Consumer' grade assumes the DIYer only cares about the price and their time is
free.
Well where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded with
pigments and sold mainly to consumers
F&B is advertised to consumers (the Mumsnet crowd and the aspiring wealthy), but they get a man in to do the dirty work of actually painting.
customer wants to pay for it, who are they to complain? But I don't think decorators would pick F&B out of choice if you just asked them to paint a wall and choose their own paint.
Seems like Lick (from B&Q/Screwfix) is trying to be a F&B competitor, ie reassuringly expensive.
Theo
On 17 Jun 2025 at 23:32:25 BST, David Wade wrote:
On 17/06/2025 20:29, Another John wrote:
The Homebase in our small town closed down last year (as did so many other >>> stores in the country).
Ours is now a B&Q
The Range here - a sort of pound shop/Wilko combo. At least they sell bicarb and citric acid.
'Consumer' grade assumes the DIYer only cares about the price and their time is
free.
Well where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded with
pigments and sold mainly to consumers
F&B is advertised to consumers (the Mumsnet crowd and the aspiring wealthy), but they get a man in to do the dirty work of actually painting. If the customer wants to pay for it, who are they to complain? But I don't think decorators would pick F&B out of choice if you just asked them to paint a wall and choose their own paint.
Seems like Lick (from B&Q/Screwfix) is trying to be a F&B competitor, ie reassuringly expensive.
Theo
On 18/06/2025 12:33, Theo wrote:
'Consumer' grade assumes the DIYer only cares about the price and
their time is free.
Well where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded
with pigments and sold mainly to consumers
F&B is advertised to consumers (the Mumsnet crowd and the aspiring wealthy), but they get a man in to do the dirty work of actually
painting. If the customer wants to pay for it, who are they to
complain? But I don't think decorators would pick F&B out of
choice if you just asked them to paint a wall and choose their own
paint.
Seems like Lick (from B&Q/Screwfix) is trying to be a F&B
competitor, ie reassuringly expensive.
Theo
Reassuringly expensive was the advertising slogan used by Stella
Artois when first launched in the UK (and brewed under licence by
Whitbread). It later acquired the nickname of "The wife beater"
Well where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded with
pigments and sold mainly to consumers
F&B is advertised to consumers (the Mumsnet crowd and the aspiring wealthy), >but they get a man in to do the dirty work of actually painting. If the >customer wants to pay for it, who are they to complain? But I don't think >decorators would pick F&B out of choice if you just asked them to paint a >wall and choose their own paint.
Do you have any 'Decorator Centres' locally? There's at least Johnstone's
DC and Dulux DC. They sell trade paint which is better quality than the >stuff in the DIY sheds. There's also Brewers as another chain, and there
may be an independent or small chain locally.
Crown (owned by Hempel) made Homebase's own label paint.
Do you have a "The Range" near you? They bought up a lot of Wilko stuff
and you can still find it on sale there with the Wilko name on the
product, but I've no idea if they do Wilko paint.
On 18 Jun 2025 12:33:38 +0100 (BST), Theo
<[email protected]> wrote:
When I worked at Crown, approx 20 years ago, now, the decorators who mentioned it didn't like F&B. I didn't ask them why, either it tookWell where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded with
pigments and sold mainly to consumers
F&B is advertised to consumers (the Mumsnet crowd and the aspiring wealthy), >> but they get a man in to do the dirty work of actually painting. If the
customer wants to pay for it, who are they to complain? But I don't think >> decorators would pick F&B out of choice if you just asked them to paint a
wall and choose their own paint.
longer to apply or to get a decent finish. We sometimes mixed paint to
F&B colours, and to Dulux as well.
F&B make a thing of the weird colour names they use.
On 19/06/2025 14:50, Peter Johnson wrote:
On 18 Jun 2025 12:33:38 +0100 (BST), Theo
<[email protected]> wrote:
When I worked at Crown, approx 20 years ago, now, the decorators whoWell where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded with >>>> pigments and sold mainly to consumers
F&B is advertised to consumers (the Mumsnet crowd and the aspiring
wealthy),
but they get a man in to do the dirty work of actually painting. If the >>> customer wants to pay for it, who are they to complain? But I don't
think
decorators would pick F&B out of choice if you just asked them to
paint a
wall and choose their own paint.
mentioned it didn't like F&B. I didn't ask them why, either it took
longer to apply or to get a decent finish. We sometimes mixed paint to
F&B colours, and to Dulux as well.
F&B make a thing of the weird colour names they use.
F&B is great on dead flat emulsions, but their semi matt emulsions show
a lot of colour variation across brush strokes.
On 19/06/2025 18:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/06/2025 14:50, Peter Johnson wrote:
On 18 Jun 2025 12:33:38 +0100 (BST), Theo
<[email protected]> wrote:
When I worked at Crown, approx 20 years ago, now, the decorators whoWell where do you put Farrow and Ball then. very expensive loaded with >>>>> pigments and sold mainly to consumers
F&B is advertised to consumers (the Mumsnet crowd and the aspiring
wealthy),
but they get a man in to do the dirty work of actually painting. If
the
customer wants to pay for it, who are they to complain? But I don't
think
decorators would pick F&B out of choice if you just asked them to
paint a
wall and choose their own paint.
mentioned it didn't like F&B. I didn't ask them why, either it took
longer to apply or to get a decent finish. We sometimes mixed paint to
F&B colours, and to Dulux as well.
F&B make a thing of the weird colour names they use.
F&B is great on dead flat emulsions, but their semi matt emulsions
show a lot of colour variation across brush strokes.
Possibly because they need to be sprayed and not brushed, or applied
quickly with a roller and then brushed.
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