On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop
antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable,
as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable,
as opposed to a thin one.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max Demian
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop
antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable,
as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's diameter!
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop
antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable,
as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max Demian
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop
antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable, >>>> as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's
diameter!
I'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an
ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because hair
thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss.
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max DemianI'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop >>>>> antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable, >>>>> as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's
diameter!
;
ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because
hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss.
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
On 5/18/25 2:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max DemianI'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop >>>>>> antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable, >>>>>> as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's
diameter!
ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because
hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss.
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
On 5/18/25 2:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max DemianI'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop >>>>>> antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable, >>>>>> as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's
diameter!
;
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
On 5/18/25 2:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max DemianI'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop >>>>>> antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial
cable,
as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's
diameter!
;
ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because
hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss.
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.I'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in anThen you don't want rabbit ears do you?
ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because
hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss. >>>
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
Can still fit a yagi in a roof.
Or a smaller one in a room
On 19/05/2025 09:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.I'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an >>>>> ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because
hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal
loss.
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
Can still fit a yagi in a roof.
Or a smaller one in a room
A Band III yagi would be about 900mm x 800mm, so quite large. Mind you,
it could fit nicely behind a 60" flatscreen TV if the direction was right!
On Sun, 5/18/2025 5:14 PM, Khoi Mai wrote:
On 5/18/25 2:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max DemianI'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop >>>>>>> antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable, >>>>>>> as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's >>>>> diameter!
t;
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
First of all, you have to decide whether you are attempting to
do the impossible. VHF TV reception has practical limits,
and constructing a giant antenna is not going to be practical
for cases where you are too far from the transmitter.
A moderate sized Yagi may still fit in a premises. Whereas the
ones with claims of 150 mile sensitivity, even outside
the house and on the roof, they can be miserable to aim and
get to working properly. The more gain the antenna has, the
smaller the "beam width" and the harder they are to aim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagi%E2%80%93Uda_antenna
My antenna is not that type, it has a beam width of 15 degrees
and that is hard enough to aim. I would not want an antenna
with more gain than that, because a "breeze" could blow it
off the axis of the transmission.
Since you could be using an antenna which is better than
a rabbit ears, with a balun to match the line, the coax type
really does not matter.
I don't know if I've even seen a Balun, with connectorization
for an alternative coaxial type. It's usually an F-series connector,
on a cheap Balun from the TV store. A Balun, for example,
can convert from 300 ohm twinax, to 75 ohm coax, from Balanced
input, to Unbalanced output.
Note that the impedance of the antenna, varies with the frequency
you are testing it at, and it is not unusual for the antenna
impedance to be 150 ohms, yet you are using a 300 ohm to 75 ohm
Balun for matching to the TV set input coax. You use whatever
Balun you have to hand, rather than some sort of "careful match"
or "exact match". The whole process of hooking up TVs, is
dirty and approximate all round.
Yagi antennas can be cut for a fixed frequency, or they
can be log periodic, and cover all the VHF TV frequencies.
By selecting to buy a fixed frequency antenna (for
a single TV station you must receive), the antenna can have
a couple DB more gain as a result of not wasting the gain
on channels you do not want. Some sellers of TV antennas,
make available custom single-channel items for sale.
Paul
On 5/19/25 3:04 AM, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 5/18/2025 5:14 PM, Khoi Mai wrote:I have been able to pick up the station unreliably with my current indoor setup, sometimes well in very good conditions.
On 5/18/25 2:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max Demian>
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop >>>>>>>> antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial cable, >>>>>>>> as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's >>>>>> diameter!
I'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss.
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
First of all, you have to decide whether you are attempting to
do the impossible. VHF TV reception has practical limits,
and constructing a giant antenna is not going to be practical
for cases where you are too far from the transmitter.
A moderate sized Yagi may still fit in a premises. Whereas the
ones with claims of 150 mile sensitivity, even outside
the house and on the roof, they can be miserable to aim and
get to working properly. The more gain the antenna has, the
smaller the "beam width" and the harder they are to aim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagi%E2%80%93Uda_antenna
My antenna is not that type, it has a beam width of 15 degrees
and that is hard enough to aim. I would not want an antenna
with more gain than that, because a "breeze" could blow it
off the axis of the transmission.
Since you could be using an antenna which is better than
a rabbit ears, with a balun to match the line, the coax type
really does not matter.
I don't know if I've even seen a Balun, with connectorization
for an alternative coaxial type. It's usually an F-series connector,
on a cheap Balun from the TV store. A Balun, for example,
can convert from 300 ohm twinax, to 75 ohm coax, from Balanced
input, to Unbalanced output.
Note that the impedance of the antenna, varies with the frequency
you are testing it at, and it is not unusual for the antenna
impedance to be 150 ohms, yet you are using a 300 ohm to 75 ohm
Balun for matching to the TV set input coax. You use whatever
Balun you have to hand, rather than some sort of "careful match"
or "exact match". The whole process of hooking up TVs, is
dirty and approximate all round.
Yagi antennas can be cut for a fixed frequency, or they
can be log periodic, and cover all the VHF TV frequencies.
By selecting to buy a fixed frequency antenna (for
a single TV station you must receive), the antenna can have
a couple DB more gain as a result of not wasting the gain
on channels you do not want. Some sellers of TV antennas,
make available custom single-channel items for sale.
Paul
Here is an example of a Yagi. The reviews at the bottom of the page,
some people are using this indoors. They do not state the gain, only
the distance, and the distance sounds a bit unbelievable.
A lot of antennas offered for urban dwellers are patch antenna,Even a short coax cable gives a usable TV signal for thin walls here.
because a lot of modern TV has moved to UHF and little signal remains in VHF-Hi or VHF-Lo. But that antenna is for both VHF-Hi and VHF-Lo. The reason it picks
up UHF, is even a boat anchor picks up UHF.
On 18/05/2025 22:14, Khoi Mai wrote:
On 5/18/25 2:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max DemianI'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in an
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and loop >>>>>>> antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial
cable,
as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's >>>>> diameter!
;
ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin, because
hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and signal loss. >>>
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
Can still fit a yagi in a roof.
Or a smaller one in a room
On 20/05/2025 04:38, Paul wrote:
Here is an example of a Yagi. The reviews at the bottom of the page,
some people are using this indoors. They do not state the gain, only
the distance, and the distance sounds a bit unbelievable.
I have a similar Yagi used indoors, about 35 miles from Winter Hill,
and it gives a good TV signal through several solid house walls at
ground level.
A lot of antennas offered for urban dwellers are patch antenna,Even a short coax cable gives a usable TV signal for thin walls here.
because a lot of modern TV has moved to UHF and little signal remains in
VHF-Hi or VHF-Lo. But that antenna is for both VHF-Hi and VHF-Lo. The
reason it picks
up UHF, is even a boat anchor picks up UHF.
On 19/05/2025 09:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:He certainly doesnt live in the UK
On 18/05/2025 22:14, Khoi Mai wrote:
On 5/18/25 2:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2025 20:05, Khoi Mai wrote:Unfortunately for me, an outdoor one is not an option at the moment.
On 5/18/25 12:01 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:15:28 +0100, Max DemianI'm trying to pick up some awkward VHF real channel 8 stations in
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/05/2025 15:41, Khoi Mai wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of rabbit ears and >>>>>>>> loop
antennas? I preferably want one with a relatively thick coaxial >>>>>>>> cable,
as opposed to a thin one.
Why rabbit ears? Which band?
And why thick coax? Most people don't choose their coax based on it's >>>>>> diameter!
;
an ATSC 1 broadcast area. I want a coax that isn't hair thin,
because hair thin coaxial cables suffer from more interference and
signal loss.
Then you don't want rabbit ears do you?
You want a log periodic or Yagi style array
Can still fit a yagi in a roof.
Or a smaller one in a room
We don't know where he lives. It sounds like he could be in a block
of flats somewhere.
On 20/05/2025 09:01, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 20/05/2025 04:38, Paul wrote:
Here is an example of a Yagi. The reviews at the bottom of the page,
some people are using this indoors. They do not state the gain, only
the distance, and the distance sounds a bit unbelievable.
I have a similar Yagi used indoors, about 35 miles from Winter Hill,
and it gives a good TV signal through several solid house walls at
ground level.
A lot of antennas offered for urban dwellers are patch antenna,Even a short coax cable gives a usable TV signal for thin walls
because a lot of modern TV has moved to UHF and little signal remains
in VHF-Hi or VHF-Lo. But that antenna is for both VHF-Hi and VHF-Lo.
The reason it picks up UHF, is even a boat anchor picks up UHF.
here.
:-) I am 10 miles from Midhurst and I can get the main HD channels (sort
of) using just the builders 1976 coax embedded in the plaster and the
short loop left lying unconnected in the loft !
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