• WD Blue SSD

    From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 14:02:11 2025
    In January I mentioned a problem witch a couple of WD Blue SSDs, purchased
    in 2020, that had failed.

    The replacement for the second one arrived at lunch time today, 2.5 months
    to get them both replaced.

    It has been an interesting exercise, and information from this group
    suggests that a WD Blue may not have been my best choice.

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    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    This joke was so funny when I heard it for the first time I fell of my dinosaur.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Apr 24 10:42:11 2025
    On Thu, 4/24/2025 10:02 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    In January I mentioned a problem witch a couple of WD Blue SSDs, purchased in 2020, that had failed.

    The replacement for the second one arrived at lunch time today, 2.5 months to get them both replaced.

    It has been an interesting exercise, and information from this group suggests that a WD Blue may not have been my best choice.


    https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-1tb-blue-sa510/p/N82E16820250229

    (Review section)

    71% five stars
    ...
    13% one star

    "Write Speeds sub-par" 2 stars
    "Drive Failed After 3 Months" 1 star
    "Worked fine until it died" 2 stars
    "Failed after 16 months" 1 star
    "Do not buy this drive
    until WD fix their QC issue" 1 star
    "Absolute trash (20 day lifespan) 1 star

    Yes, an interesting set of review samples so far.

    Some of their NVMe get better reviews than that.

    *******

    "1TB Blue sports a 400TBW rating" (sometimes,
    a manufacturer doesn't even know how to rate these,
    like in the old days)

    (A comparable 870 from Samsung, is 600TBW, and
    there are devices at the 1TB capacity level
    with a higher wear-life-TBW than that.)

    TLC chips were supposed to have a "raw" lifespan
    of 3000 writes per cell. 600 writes per cell rating
    helps codify the write amplification factor as
    the controller re-arranges the data storage
    during later maintenance (moving from pseudo-SLC
    cache to main TLC storage area, or defragging 4K
    blocks within a page after a 4K random write test).

    The brands of flash, have different internal layouts,
    tiling patterns and cell spacing. This can affect
    pattern sensitivity (like, when the cells are
    getting mushy and close to voltage thresholds). If
    two flash brands were "22nm", the center to center
    on the cells could be different for the two products.

    There's no way for a mere enthusiast review site, to
    offer that level of insight about the NAND chips.
    Only TechInsights with their electron microscope
    and vat of battery acid, can do that sort of analysis
    (for a price). There's not really much an enthusiast
    site can do, to pre-warn you about expected trouble.
    The trouble, after all, could be firmware related,
    and the flash itself is "not guilty yer honour".

    The firmware in the industry, seemed to go through
    a "transition" phase, as if word of how to design
    the firmware was making the rounds. It seems
    products today, are much better compared to the
    "I turned it on and it died" that used to happen
    when SSDs first came out.

    At first, SSDs had a pad on the PCB for a "Supercap",
    which is an energy storage device, and on power-fail,
    that provided power until all the cached blocks
    in DRAM were flushed. One of the objectives of the
    firmware writers, was to *eliminate* the need for
    that safety feature. When the power goes off today,
    it is the firmware design, that saves your ass.

    Paul

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  • From Geoff Clare@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri Apr 25 13:35:40 2025
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    a WD Blue may not have been my best choice.

    I've been avoiding WD and (WD owned) SanDisk SSDs ever since reading this:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/sandisk-extreme-ssds-are-still-wiping-data-after-firmware-fix-users-say/

    --
    Geoff Clare <[email protected]>

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  • From fred@21:1/5 to Geoff Clare on Fri Apr 25 14:42:56 2025
    Geoff Clare <[email protected]d> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    a WD Blue may not have been my best choice.

    I've been avoiding WD and (WD owned) SanDisk SSDs ever since reading
    this:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/sandisk-extreme-ssds-are-still- wiping-data-after-firmware-fix-users-say/


    Many to be found on ebay, I was tempted until I found the many data loss/bricking claims. From memory some suggested it was a thermal issue.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Geoff Clare on Fri Apr 25 16:40:17 2025
    On 25/04/2025 in message <[email protected]>
    Geoff Clare wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    a WD Blue may not have been my best choice.

    I've been avoiding WD and (WD owned) SanDisk SSDs ever since reading this:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/sandisk-extreme-ssds-are-still-wiping-data-after-firmware-fix-users-say/

    Thank you, that rings an awful lot of bells sadly. I still have two of the originals in my server and now two new ones of course, wary of using any
    of them now.

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  • From fred@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Apr 26 08:20:39 2025
    "Jeff Gaines" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    On 25/04/2025 in message
    <[email protected]> Geoff Clare wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    a WD Blue may not have been my best choice.

    I've been avoiding WD and (WD owned) SanDisk SSDs ever since reading
    this:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/sandisk-extreme-ssds-are-still- >>wiping-data-after-firmware-fix-users-say/

    Thank you, that rings an awful lot of bells sadly. I still have two of
    the originals in my server and now two new ones of course, wary of
    using any of them now.


    I'm not sure there was anything wrong (sorry, that much wrong . . ) with
    the memory modules themselves but running them in a compact, sealed and heatsinkless enclosure exposed the modules to serious overtemperature
    issues.

    I have seen a single report that it is WD Blacks that are in them, not the Blues you are having trouble with but have no way of checking that.
    WD_BLACK SN850XE 4TB in the 4T version.

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