I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark,
and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of
America, Inc. All rights reserved.
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 10:05:09 +0100
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes
for a strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS
brandmark, and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel
Service of America, Inc. All rights reserved.
It doesn't seem likely. What it probably means is that a courier
company that uses a similar logo layout on brown is likely to give
rise to a 'passing off' lawsuit, or whatever the US equivalent is.
I believe Aldi recently lost a UK lawsuit for making a product
branding which was too similar to another well-known company's.
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark,--
and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America,
Inc. All rights reserved.
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the USA.
It is governed by lawyers.
On 10 Apr 2025 at 20:06:31 BST, "pinnerite" <[email protected]> wrote:
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the USA.
It is governed by lawyers.
Quite right. You don't get justice in the US - you get law, and plenty of it.
On 10/04/2025 22:24, Tim Streater wrote:
On 10 Apr 2025 at 20:06:31 BST, "pinnerite" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the
USA. It is governed by lawyers.
Quite right. You don't get justice in the US - you get law, and
plenty of it.
I've never consider the Law to be about justice. It is about
following written procedures known in the USA as "due process"
(although that term isn't used as such in the UK). If it leads to
justice, fine, but it may not do so. In that case, the Law needs
revision, but even the revised version may not lead to justice.
On 10 Apr 2025 at 20:06:31 BST, "pinnerite" <[email protected]> wrote:
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the USA.
It is governed by lawyers.
Quite right. You don't get justice in the US - you get law, and plenty of it.
Remember that they elect their judges, which is why they have this plea bargain bollocks so judges (who have a vested interest in guilty pleas) can appear strong and enhance their re-election prospects.
Further, it's no wonder that their police are always in trouble. Over there, any tuppeny-ha'penny jurisdictions gets its own police force (there are nearly
18,000 US police departments, vs. about 50 here). So Hiram Q Globetrotter gets
himself elected Sherriff, appoints a couple of hayseeds as deputies, and is off and running looking for arses to kick. And we know whose *those* are going
to be.
On Thu, 4/10/2025 5:24 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
On 10 Apr 2025 at 20:06:31 BST, "pinnerite" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the
USA. It is governed by lawyers.
Quite right. You don't get justice in the US - you get law, and
plenty of it.
Remember that they elect their judges, which is why they have this
plea bargain bollocks so judges (who have a vested interest in
guilty pleas) can appear strong and enhance their re-election
prospects.
Further, it's no wonder that their police are always in trouble.
Over there, any tuppeny-ha'penny jurisdictions gets its own police
force (there are nearly 18,000 US police departments, vs. about 50
here). So Hiram Q Globetrotter gets himself elected Sherriff,
appoints a couple of hayseeds as deputies, and is off and running
looking for arses to kick. And we know whose *those* are going to
be.
Be aware that they're asking some pretty weird questions,
if you enter the country right now. We're instructed by
our travel people to "not carry electronics" and if you must,
"use a burner phone". Normal rule of law does not apply,
not at the moment. Whatever whim fills their head, is
a-OK. That's how a woman was put in security for 11 days.
This is why, "traffic is down at the border".
It must be the cold spring air, keeping people away.
I don't know if they're asking for Facebook passwords
these days or not. In the past, questions have been asked
about your social networking accounts. To see what opinions
you might have.
This also includes police traffic stops, while in-country.
Two folk singers were asked some pretty weird questions
by local police, on a traffic stop. It's not just border
weirdos.
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 04:15:19 -0400
Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 4/10/2025 5:24 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
On 10 Apr 2025 at 20:06:31 BST, "pinnerite" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the
USA. It is governed by lawyers.
Quite right. You don't get justice in the US - you get law, and
plenty of it.
Remember that they elect their judges, which is why they have this
plea bargain bollocks so judges (who have a vested interest in
guilty pleas) can appear strong and enhance their re-election
prospects.
Further, it's no wonder that their police are always in trouble.
Over there, any tuppeny-ha'penny jurisdictions gets its own police
force (there are nearly 18,000 US police departments, vs. about 50
here). So Hiram Q Globetrotter gets himself elected Sherriff,
appoints a couple of hayseeds as deputies, and is off and running
looking for arses to kick. And we know whose *those* are going to
be.
Be aware that they're asking some pretty weird questions,
if you enter the country right now. We're instructed by
our travel people to "not carry electronics" and if you must,
"use a burner phone". Normal rule of law does not apply,
not at the moment. Whatever whim fills their head, is
a-OK. That's how a woman was put in security for 11 days.
This is why, "traffic is down at the border".
It must be the cold spring air, keeping people away.
I don't know if they're asking for Facebook passwords
these days or not. In the past, questions have been asked
about your social networking accounts. To see what opinions
you might have.
This also includes police traffic stops, while in-country.
Two folk singers were asked some pretty weird questions
by local police, on a traffic stop. It's not just border
weirdos.
They're looking for an excuse for 'civil asset forfeiture', which is
what highway robbery is called these days.
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark,
and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America,
Inc. All rights reserved.
Intel got together with AMD and agreed a cross-licensing agreement.
AMD started to advertise their version as the 386.
Then Intel's lawyers saw cash registers and persuaded intel to sue AMD because they had "patented 386" first. it went to court.
I am not sure of the actual wording of the verdict but it went something
like this.
"You bloody idiot, you can't patent a number!"
On 11 Apr 2025 at 12:06:50 BST, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 04:15:19 -0400
Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 4/10/2025 5:24 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
On 10 Apr 2025 at 20:06:31 BST, "pinnerite" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the
USA. It is governed by lawyers.
Quite right. You don't get justice in the US - you get law, and
plenty of it.
Remember that they elect their judges, which is why they have this
plea bargain bollocks so judges (who have a vested interest in
guilty pleas) can appear strong and enhance their re-election
prospects.
Further, it's no wonder that their police are always in trouble.
Over there, any tuppeny-ha'penny jurisdictions gets its own police
force (there are nearly 18,000 US police departments, vs. about 50
here). So Hiram Q Globetrotter gets himself elected Sherriff,
appoints a couple of hayseeds as deputies, and is off and running
looking for arses to kick. And we know whose *those* are going to
be.
Be aware that they're asking some pretty weird questions,
if you enter the country right now. We're instructed by
our travel people to "not carry electronics" and if you must,
"use a burner phone". Normal rule of law does not apply,
not at the moment. Whatever whim fills their head, is
a-OK. That's how a woman was put in security for 11 days.
This is why, "traffic is down at the border".
It must be the cold spring air, keeping people away.
I don't know if they're asking for Facebook passwords
these days or not. In the past, questions have been asked
about your social networking accounts. To see what opinions
you might have.
This also includes police traffic stops, while in-country.
Two folk singers were asked some pretty weird questions
by local police, on a traffic stop. It's not just border
weirdos.
They're looking for an excuse for 'civil asset forfeiture', which is
what highway robbery is called these days.
Legalised banditry. It's whay happens when a 'city' runs out of
money. The mayor calls his chief of police (elected on the same
ticket), after which all the traffic cops get the word to nail anyone
they can, like folks parking funny or doing 25.0001 mph in a 25 limit.
On 09/04/2025 10:05, Davey wrote:
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark,
and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America,
Inc. All rights reserved.
A college I worked at ages ago wanted to change its name, logo,
letterhead etc. It chose a colour blue predominently until they were
told that precise shade of blue was royal blue, only to be used by UK royalty.
N_Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09/04/2025 10:05, Davey wrote:Sounds a bit of a dodgy tale , there is is more than one shade known as
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark,
and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America,
Inc. All rights reserved.
A college I worked at ages ago wanted to change its name, logo,
letterhead etc. It chose a colour blue predominently until they were
told that precise shade of blue was royal blue, only to be used by UK
royalty.
Royal Blue .
A once famous Bournemouth based coach company called itself Royal Blue and liveried its vehicles with the colour for over a century.
GH.
On 11/04/2025 21:33, Marland wrote:
N_Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09/04/2025 10:05, Davey wrote:Sounds a bit of a dodgy tale , there is is more than one shade known as
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark, >>>> and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America, >>>> Inc. All rights reserved.
A college I worked at ages ago wanted to change its name, logo,
letterhead etc. It chose a colour blue predominently until they were
told that precise shade of blue was royal blue, only to be used by UK
royalty.
Royal Blue .
A once famous Bournemouth based coach company called itself Royal
Blue and
liveried its vehicles with the colour for over a century.
GH.
I suppose it goes back to heraldry emblazons and jousting and all that.
Any houses owned by the Cowdrey estate, Sussex have to be painted a
specific shade of yellow and houses on the Southwick estate hampshire
have to be a specific shade of red. I don't think houses in Beaulieu or Clovelly have such strictures though.
On 11 Apr 2025 at 12:06:50 BST, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 04:15:19 -0400
Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 4/10/2025 5:24 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
On 10 Apr 2025 at 20:06:31 BST, "pinnerite" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Youy have to remember some nations are governed by laws. Not the
USA. It is governed by lawyers.
Quite right. You don't get justice in the US - you get law, and
plenty of it.
Remember that they elect their judges, which is why they have this
plea bargain bollocks so judges (who have a vested interest in
guilty pleas) can appear strong and enhance their re-election
prospects.
Further, it's no wonder that their police are always in trouble.
Over there, any tuppeny-ha'penny jurisdictions gets its own police
force (there are nearly 18,000 US police departments, vs. about 50
here). So Hiram Q Globetrotter gets himself elected Sherriff,
appoints a couple of hayseeds as deputies, and is off and running
looking for arses to kick. And we know whose *those* are going to
be.
Be aware that they're asking some pretty weird questions,
if you enter the country right now. We're instructed by
our travel people to "not carry electronics" and if you must,
"use a burner phone". Normal rule of law does not apply,
not at the moment. Whatever whim fills their head, is
a-OK. That's how a woman was put in security for 11 days.
This is why, "traffic is down at the border".
It must be the cold spring air, keeping people away.
I don't know if they're asking for Facebook passwords
these days or not. In the past, questions have been asked
about your social networking accounts. To see what opinions
you might have.
This also includes police traffic stops, while in-country.
Two folk singers were asked some pretty weird questions
by local police, on a traffic stop. It's not just border
weirdos.
They're looking for an excuse for 'civil asset forfeiture', which is
what highway robbery is called these days.
Legalised banditry. It's whay happens when a 'city' runs out of money. The mayor calls his chief of police (elected on the same ticket), after which all the traffic cops get the word to nail anyone they can, like folks parking funny or doing 25.0001 mph in a 25 limit.
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 10:05:09 +0100
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark,
and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America,
Inc. All rights reserved.
On 10/04/2025 20:06, pinnerite wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 10:05:09 +0100
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark,
and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America,
Inc. All rights reserved.
I think companies may be able to trademark a specific shade. Cadbury's
may do this for their shade of blue/purple, and I'm sure I've seen some wording about the day-glo pink that Dynorod use on their vans, though I
think Dynorod's paint is also partly fluorescent (it not only reflects
light but also emits visible light from UV in daylight).
On 14 Apr 2025 at 13:23:02 BST, "NY" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/04/2025 20:06, pinnerite wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 10:05:09 +0100
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
I have just noticed this on the UPS Tracking website. It makes for a
strange claim, that brown is trademarked. Can this be true?
© 2025 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark, >>>> and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America, >>>> Inc. All rights reserved.
I think companies may be able to trademark a specific shade. Cadbury's
may do this for their shade of blue/purple, and I'm sure I've seen some
wording about the day-glo pink that Dynorod use on their vans, though I
think Dynorod's paint is also partly fluorescent (it not only reflects
light but also emits visible light from UV in daylight).
Yes - it's all about the Pantone system, isn't it?
Before Pantone, trademark colours like "Royal Blue", "UPS Brown", Cadbury Purple" etc were not feasible. After Pantone (and its infinite number of precisely defined colours), it's jolly feasible.
Ooh - and I forgot: also the rise in the number of lawyers in the world, who proliferate like rats.
I'm surprised (but not especially) that The Royals have trademarked a blue. Also surprised that in Davey's original post he quotes UPS as saying "the color brown", not "the trademarked color 'UPS Brown'".)
Then again: there are so many fakers in this wonderful world of global trade that we can't say we blame these companies too much, can we?
AJ.
I wonder who or what is the arbiter of historic colour.
I visited the Watercress Railway, Hampshire and got talking to someone technical , as to the choice of colour scheme for the stations.
Apparently they chose Southern Railway green, but it seemed far too
green to me.
Near me a couple of 1970s sold off signalman's houses and one still has original soffits with original SR paint , never overpainted, and out of direct sunlight. Also at ex-Hythe raileay station, now used as a
heritage centre, an internal cupboard painted SR green.
But those samples of SR green are green with substantial blue and
perhaps grey component, much more dingy than at Alresford and Medstead stations .
N_Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
Likely faded quite a bit since they were painted under Railway Ownership
I wonder who or what is the arbiter of historic colour.
I visited the Watercress Railway, Hampshire and got talking to someone
technical , as to the choice of colour scheme for the stations.
Apparently they chose Southern Railway green, but it seemed far too
green to me.
Near me a couple of 1970s sold off signalman's houses and one still has
original soffits with original SR paint , never overpainted, and out of
direct sunlight. Also at ex-Hythe raileay station, now used as a
heritage centre, an internal cupboard painted SR green.
But those samples of SR green are green with substantial blue and
perhaps grey component, much more dingy than at Alresford and Medstead
stations .
but for a start the Green used by the Southern differed over the years
from an Olive green up to the mid thirties
then a shade of Malachite up WW2 and a lighter version which was still
called Malachite after WW2 which may or may not have continued into
Southern Region depending on who you believe.
It is hard to know what the true definition is. Sometimes stock was just revarnished rather than repainted which ended up with a darker hue than if
it is newly painted.
Buildings did not use the same greens as the stock, the shade used for
them was a middle chrome green so it boils down to subjective opinions as
to what is right as it is 76 years since the Southern Railway existed few people are around to know.
GH
N_Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
Likely faded quite a bit since they were painted under Railway Ownership
I wonder who or what is the arbiter of historic colour.
I visited the Watercress Railway, Hampshire and got talking to someone
technical , as to the choice of colour scheme for the stations.
Apparently they chose Southern Railway green, but it seemed far too
green to me.
Near me a couple of 1970s sold off signalman's houses and one still has
original soffits with original SR paint , never overpainted, and out of
direct sunlight. Also at ex-Hythe raileay station, now used as a
heritage centre, an internal cupboard painted SR green.
But those samples of SR green are green with substantial blue and
perhaps grey component, much more dingy than at Alresford and Medstead
stations .
but for a start the Green used by the Southern differed over the years
from an Olive green up to the mid thirties
then a shade of Malachite up WW2 and a lighter version which was still
called Malachite after WW2 which may or may not have continued into
Southern Region depending on who you believe.
It is hard to know what the true definition is. Sometimes stock was just revarnished rather than repainted which ended up with a darker hue than if
it is newly painted.
Buildings did not use the same greens as the stock, the shade used for
them was a middle chrome green so it boils down to subjective opinions as
to what is right as it is 76 years since the Southern Railway existed few people are around to know.
GH
On 18/04/2025 00:44, Marland wrote:
N_Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
Likely faded quite a bit since they were painted under Railway Ownership
I wonder who or what is the arbiter of historic colour.
I visited the Watercress Railway, Hampshire and got talking to someone
technical , as to the choice of colour scheme for the stations.
Apparently they chose Southern Railway green, but it seemed far too
green to me.
Near me a couple of 1970s sold off signalman's houses and one still has
original soffits with original SR paint , never overpainted, and out of
direct sunlight. Also at ex-Hythe raileay station, now used as a
heritage centre, an internal cupboard painted SR green.
But those samples of SR green are green with substantial blue and
perhaps grey component, much more dingy than at Alresford and Medstead
stations .
but for a start the Green used by the Southern differed over the years
from an Olive green up to the mid thirties
then a shade of Malachite up WW2 and a lighter version which was still
called Malachite after WW2 which may or may not have continued into
Southern Region depending on who you believe.
It is hard to know what the true definition is. Sometimes stock was just
revarnished rather than repainted which ended up with a darker hue than if >> it is newly painted.
Buildings did not use the same greens as the stock, the shade used for
them was a middle chrome green so it boils down to subjective opinions as
to what is right as it is 76 years since the Southern Railway existed few
people are around to know.
GH
And if the arbiter of colour was unknowingly colour blind.
I used to know a specialist plasterer (respected enough to be called in
for replastering after the Windsor Castle fire)
He said he sometimes ended up with awkward arguments with clients
concerning the finished colour was not that which was agreed beforehand.
I came across one of those , some sort of Japanese name colour
blindness, hidden or not, coloured dot number charts in a small book.
So he could check what his colour blindness status was but more
importently establish the status of any client before starting works
with this book and architects colour swatches.
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