On 03/04/2025 11:10, RJH wrote:
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that heIt has always been damn near impossible to import from the USA as an individual without paying shitloads of money on handling fees and VAT.
doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
There's likely to be a glut of tat coming our way from Aliexpress, Temu and >> the like, especially as the US duty free limit ($800) has been removed. And >> half-decent branded tools, cars, materials either sitting it out, or flooding
more receptive markets?
Or best not worth indulging the whole thing and carry on as usual?
* and, what a surprise, they're not 'reciprocal' tariffs at all:
https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1907672322988740999
I gave up years ago, Aliexpress just sends it by post and I use it all
the time, and not all of it is tat.
EU was always hard to import from but there inst much in the EU that I
wanted to import anyway. As an individual.
It will be interesting to see how much stuff is imported into the UK
from the EU and sent to the USA b branded as made in Britain (well the sticker is anyway)...
EU was simple, pre-Brexit.
have sorted out the customs logistics and they have a pan-European distribution network.
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
There's likely to be a glut of tat coming our way from Aliexpress, Temu and the like, especially as the US duty free limit ($800) has been removed. And half-decent branded tools, cars, materials either sitting it out, or flooding more receptive markets?
Or best not worth indulging the whole thing and carry on as usual?
* and, what a surprise, they're not 'reciprocal' tariffs at all: https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1907672322988740999
On 03/04/2025 11:10, RJH wrote:
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he
doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
There's likely to be a glut of tat coming our way from Aliexpress, Temu and the like, especially as the US duty free limit ($800) has been removed. And half-decent branded tools, cars, materials either sitting it out, or flooding
more receptive markets?
Or best not worth indulging the whole thing and carry on as usual?
* and, what a surprise, they're not 'reciprocal' tariffs at all: https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1907672322988740999
It has always been damn near impossible to import from the USA as an individual without paying shitloads of money on handling fees and VAT.
I gave up years ago, Aliexpress just sends it by post and I use it all
the time, and not all of it is tat.
EU was always hard to import from but there inst much in the EU that I
wanted to import anyway. As an individual.
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he >doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
There's likely to be a glut of tat coming our way from Aliexpress, Temu and >the like, especially as the US duty free limit ($800) has been removed. And >half-decent branded tools, cars, materials either sitting it out, or flooding >more receptive markets?
Or best not worth indulging the whole thing and carry on as usual?
* and, what a surprise, they're not 'reciprocal' tariffs at all: >https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1907672322988740999
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he >doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 10:10:29 -0000 (UTC), RJH <[email protected]>
wrote:
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose
assumption that he doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
The trouble with Trump's policies is that he never thinks, or cares,
about the consequences. If Apple, Intel etc started to build new
factories in the US that wouldn't create long-term jobs for former
coal miners and steel makers etc, because they don't have the skils,
although they might benefit in the short term, during the construction
phase.
Then the great American public are going to find that things they have
been used to buying cheaply are more expensive when they have a 'Made
in the USA' label on them.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 10:10:29 -0000 (UTC), RJH <[email protected]>Yep. We almost had Ed Milliband. It would have been the same.
wrote:
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he
doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
The trouble with Trump's policies is that he never thinks, or cares,
about the consequences. If Apple, Intel etc started to build new
factories in the US that wouldn't create long-term jobs for former
coal miners and steel makers etc, because they don't have the skils,
although they might benefit in the short term, during the construction
phase.
Then the great American public are going to find that things they have
been used to buying cheaply are more expensive when they have a 'Made
in the USA' label on them.
On 03/04/2025 12:28, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 10:10:29 -0000 (UTC), RJH <[email protected]>
wrote:
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he
doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
There's likely to be a glut of tat coming our way from Aliexpress, Temu and >>> the like, especially as the US duty free limit ($800) has been removed. And >>> half-decent branded tools, cars, materials either sitting it out, or flooding
more receptive markets?
Or best not worth indulging the whole thing and carry on as usual?
* and, what a surprise, they're not 'reciprocal' tariffs at all:
https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1907672322988740999
I have just Googled general sales tax in the USA. I see there is no
federal sales tax and the five states with the highest average
combined state and local sales tax rates are Louisiana (9.56 percent),
Tennessee (9.55 percent), Arkansas (9.45 percent), Washington (9.38
percent), and Alabama (9.29 percent). On that basis, if you add the
Trump tariff, the total should still be lower than our 20% VAT. Am I
missing something?
Yes. The difference is that VAT and the sales taxes you mention are
levied on all applicable goods regardless of origin. VAT in the UK
for example is levied equally on goods made in the UK and those made
in the USA.
Therefore there is no disadvantage to one country or the other.
The Trump tariffs only apply to imported goods.
John
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 10:10:29 -0000 (UTC), RJH <[email protected]>
wrote:
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he >>doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
The trouble with Trump's policies is that he never thinks, or cares,
about the consequences. If Apple, Intel etc started to build new
factories in the US that wouldn't create long-term jobs for former
coal miners and steel makers etc, because they don't have the skils,
although they might benefit in the short term, during the construction
phase.
Then the great American public are going to find that things they have
been used to buying cheaply are more expensive when they have a 'Made
in the USA' label on them.
If I wanted to buy a Land Rover, would I be put off by an extra 10%? Especially if I knew that tax was broadly the same as in the UK.
On 03/04/2025 17:45, Scott wrote:
If I wanted to buy a Land Rover, would I be put off by an extra 10%?
Especially if I knew that tax was broadly the same as in the UK.
Cars have a 25% tariff, not 10%.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 10:10:29 -0000 (UTC), RJH <[email protected]>
wrote:
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he
doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
The trouble with Trump's policies is that he never thinks, or cares,
about the consequences. If Apple, Intel etc started to build new
factories in the US that wouldn't create long-term jobs for former
coal miners and steel makers etc, because they don't have the skils,
although they might benefit in the short term, during the construction
phase.
Then the great American public are going to find that things they have
been used to buying cheaply are more expensive when they have a 'Made
in the USA' label on them.
Also, will Apple require to pay tariffs on all imported components,
which must form a sizeable chunk of the cost of an iPad?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:12:47 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 03/04/2025 17:45, Scott wrote:
If I wanted to buy a Land Rover, would I be put off by an extra 10%?
Especially if I knew that tax was broadly the same as in the UK.
Cars have a 25% tariff, not 10%.
Is that all cars, including imports from China that I thought had a
higher tariff?
Any predictions about what these* will mean - on the loose assumption that he doesn't change his mind in the next 20 minutes?
There's likely to be a glut of tat coming our way from Aliexpress, Temu and the like, especially as the US duty free limit ($800) has been removed. And half-decent branded tools, cars, materials either sitting it out, or flooding more receptive markets?
Or best not worth indulging the whole thing and carry on as usual?
* and, what a surprise, they're not 'reciprocal' tariffs at all: https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1907672322988740999
On 03/04/2025 12:00, Theo wrote:
EU was simple, pre-Brexit.
No,. it wasnt. The postal services in many EU countries were corrupt to nonexisitent., Parcels simply vanished.
Nowadays I tend to get stuff from companies who
have sorted out the customs logistics and they have a pan-European
distribution network.
Last year in addition to China, I got some old new stock from Australia,
no problems, and some ditto stuff from a French ebay seller, who as far
as I can see simply put it in a jiffy bag and posted it.
I did import a Fender voice coil from the USA. Expensive but not too bad
time wise.
Despite the EU international trade seems to go on.
On 03/04/2025 18:48, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:12:47 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 03/04/2025 17:45, Scott wrote:
If I wanted to buy a Land Rover, would I be put off by an extra 10%?
Especially if I knew that tax was broadly the same as in the UK.
Cars have a 25% tariff, not 10%.
Is that all cars, including imports from China that I thought had a
higher tariff?
All cars and car parts from anywhere in the world have a 25% tariff. I'm
not sure if Trump's additional tariff for Chinese goods applies to cars
or not.
Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
Also, will Apple require to pay tariffs on all imported components,
which must form a sizeable chunk of the cost of an iPad?
iPads are made in China, so there's only a tariff payable on their import. But suppose they used modem chips made by Intel in the US.
The modems could be exported from the US, and hit by whatever import tariff China impose.
Then they're soldered into the iPad.
Then there's a tariff when the finished iPads are imported into the US.
iPads are made in China, so there's only a tariff payable on their
import. But suppose they used modem chips made by Intel in the US.
The modems could be exported from the US, and hit by whatever import
tariff China impose.
Then they're soldered into the iPad.
Then there's a tariff when the finished iPads are imported into the
US.
Every time the parts cross the border there's a tariff. The more
border crossings the more expensive it gets. Some products like cars
have many border crossings.
On 03/04/2025 23:08, Theo wrote:
Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
Also, will Apple require to pay tariffs on all imported components,
which must form a sizeable chunk of the cost of an iPad?
iPads are made in China, so there's only a tariff payable on their import. But suppose they used modem chips made by Intel in the US.
The modems could be exported from the US, and hit by whatever import tariff China impose.
Then they're soldered into the iPad.
Then there's a tariff when the finished iPads are imported into the US.
.. but all that is a small chunk of the retail price of an iPad.
"Despite"? Surely "because of". I had occasion quite recently, after
Scotland was dragged out of the EU against its will,
after Scotland was dragged out of the EU against its will
An interesting thought on the electronics front. If a US company provides
all parts, inc boards, and sends them to the Far East for assembly[1] then they are not buying back sub assemblies, they have been charged for the service of assembly. Arguably the cost of the service is the only element that should attract a tariff and potentially the tariffs only apply to imported goods, not to services.
fred <[email protected]> wrote:Apart from Ford, I cant think of any US based auto transmission makers.
An interesting thought on the electronics front. If a US company provides
all parts, inc boards, and sends them to the Far East for assembly[1] then >> they are not buying back sub assemblies, they have been charged for the
service of assembly. Arguably the cost of the service is the only element
that should attract a tariff and potentially the tariffs only apply to
imported goods, not to services.
That's a good question. I suspect a lot of parts are quasi-single source - maybe you have a handful of vendors to choose from but you don't have free reign. If you start knocking out vendors based on place of manufacture (rather than the functionality of the component) you rapidly end up with
zero choices. A lot of things have a handful of factories that makes the world's supply of some specialised widget, and they're mostly in China.
Theo
Scotland has seen very little immigration from Eastern Europe from
2004/5 onwards.
fred <[email protected]> wrote:provides
An interesting thought on the electronics front. If a US company
Many years ago we used to sell hardware maintenance on fax/telex modemsall parts, inc boards, and sends them to the Far East for assembly[1] then >> they are not buying back sub assemblies, they have been charged for the
service of assembly. Arguably the cost of the service is the only element
that should attract a tariff and potentially the tariffs only apply to
imported goods, not to services.
That's a good question. I suspect a lot of parts are quasi-single source - maybe you have a handful of vendors to choose from but you don't have free reign.
Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
Also, will Apple require to pay tariffs on all imported components,
which must form a sizeable chunk of the cost of an iPad?
iPads are made in China, so there's only a tariff payable on their import. >But suppose they used modem chips made by Intel in the US.
The modems could be exported from the US, and hit by whatever import tariff >China impose.
Then they're soldered into the iPad.
Then there's a tariff when the finished iPads are imported into the US.
Every time the parts cross the border there's a tariff. The more border >crossings the more expensive it gets. Some products like cars have many >border crossings.
On 04/04/2025 14:13, Theo wrote:
fred <[email protected]> wrote:
An interesting thought on the electronics front. If a US company provides >> all parts, inc boards, and sends them to the Far East for assembly[1] then >> they are not buying back sub assemblies, they have been charged for the
service of assembly. Arguably the cost of the service is the only element >> that should attract a tariff and potentially the tariffs only apply to
imported goods, not to services.
That's a good question. I suspect a lot of parts are quasi-single source - maybe you have a handful of vendors to choose from but you don't have free reign. If you start knocking out vendors based on place of manufacture (rather than the functionality of the component) you rapidly end up with zero choices. A lot of things have a handful of factories that makes the world's supply of some specialised widget, and they're mostly in China.
TheoApart from Ford, I cant think of any US based auto transmission makers.
And ford probly manufactures in Mexico...
Industry is global. It will cost a lot to change that.
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 04/04/2025 14:13, Theo wrote:
fred <[email protected]> wrote:Apart from Ford, I cant think of any US based auto transmission makers.
An interesting thought on the electronics front. If a US company provides >> >> all parts, inc boards, and sends them to the Far East for assembly[1] then
they are not buying back sub assemblies, they have been charged for the >> >> service of assembly. Arguably the cost of the service is the only element >> >> that should attract a tariff and potentially the tariffs only apply to
imported goods, not to services.
That's a good question. I suspect a lot of parts are quasi-single source -
maybe you have a handful of vendors to choose from but you don't have free >> > reign. If you start knocking out vendors based on place of manufacture
(rather than the functionality of the component) you rapidly end up with >> > zero choices. A lot of things have a handful of factories that makes the >> > world's supply of some specialised widget, and they're mostly in China.
Theo
And ford probly manufactures in Mexico...
Industry is global. It will cost a lot to change that.
It won't change. Supply chains can carry on just as before but without >manufacturing anywhere near the US. It's like sanctions on Russia - >everybody stopped dealing with Russian companies and found alternative >suppliers. The US has just applied sanctions to *itself*.
Supply chains can carry on just as before but without
manufacturing anywhere near the US. It's like sanctions on Russia - everybody stopped dealing with Russian companies and found alternative suppliers. The US has just applied sanctions to *itself*.
Op 04/04/2025 om 12:41 schreef Fredxx:
Scotland has seen very little immigration from Eastern Europe from
2004/5 onwards.
You are very muck mistaken or maybe you don't live in Britain. I lived
in Glasgow around 2004-2007 and it was absolutely flooded with Poles.
On 04/04/2025 08:47, John Armstrong wrote:
<snip>
after Scotland was dragged out of the EU against its will
Your grasp of mathematics is very limited.
Out of an electorate of just 3,987,112 just 42% objected to leaving the EU.
Only 1,661,191 expressed a desire to stay in the EU and the rest, some 2,325,921 expressed either a desire to leave or simply didn't care.
The irony is that Scotland has seen very little immigration from Eastern Europe from 2004/5 onwards. If it had then support for Brexit would be
far greater and substantive house building programs would have been overwhelming.
I wonder how the Scottish electorate would cope with million pound homes becoming the norm in Edinburgh and Glasgow?
Best move forward and onward and accept Scotland is not attractive to immigrants.
On 04 Apr 2025 16:54:31 +0100 (BST), Theo
<[email protected]> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:What does the US routinely export? I very rarely see US made goods in
On 04/04/2025 14:13, Theo wrote:
fred <[email protected]> wrote:Apart from Ford, I cant think of any US based auto transmission makers.
An interesting thought on the electronics front. If a US company provides >>>>> all parts, inc boards, and sends them to the Far East for assembly[1] then
they are not buying back sub assemblies, they have been charged for the >>>>> service of assembly. Arguably the cost of the service is the only element >>>>> that should attract a tariff and potentially the tariffs only apply to >>>>> imported goods, not to services.
That's a good question. I suspect a lot of parts are quasi-single source -
maybe you have a handful of vendors to choose from but you don't have free >>>> reign. If you start knocking out vendors based on place of manufacture >>>> (rather than the functionality of the component) you rapidly end up with >>>> zero choices. A lot of things have a handful of factories that makes the >>>> world's supply of some specialised widget, and they're mostly in China. >>>>
Theo
And ford probly manufactures in Mexico...
Industry is global. It will cost a lot to change that.
It won't change. Supply chains can carry on just as before but without
manufacturing anywhere near the US. It's like sanctions on Russia -
everybody stopped dealing with Russian companies and found alternative
suppliers. The US has just applied sanctions to *itself*.
the shops? I wonder how Boeing will be affected. If EU places tariffs
on aircraft presumably Airbus will get all the orders. Okay, Airbus
will probably lose the US but I assume the market outside the US is
bigger than the US domestic market.
I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved production to
California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production' here
means assembly. I understand that components come from something like
40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of the
component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than
China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be
very expensive indeed.
Because of high labour and housing costs in the main urban areas,
California probably not be an attractive location for car and component manufacture relocated from Mexico and Canada.
The rust belt states would clamouring for the work.
On 03 Apr 2025 23:08:10 +0100 (BST), Theo
<[email protected]> wrote:
Scott <[email protected]> wrote:I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved production
Also, will Apple require to pay tariffs on all imported components,
which must form a sizeable chunk of the cost of an iPad?
iPads are made in China, so there's only a tariff payable on their import. >> But suppose they used modem chips made by Intel in the US.
The modems could be exported from the US, and hit by whatever import tariff >> China impose.
Then they're soldered into the iPad.
Then there's a tariff when the finished iPads are imported into the US.
Every time the parts cross the border there's a tariff. The more border
crossings the more expensive it gets. Some products like cars have many
border crossings.
to California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production'
here means assembly. I understand that components come from something
like 40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of
the component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than
China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be
very expensive indeed.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 17:28:00 -0500, JNugent wrote:
I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved production to
California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production' here
means assembly. I understand that components come from something like
40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of the
component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than
China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be
very expensive indeed.
Because of high labour and housing costs in the main urban areas,
California probably not be an attractive location for car and component
manufacture relocated from Mexico and Canada.
The rust belt states would clamouring for the work.
Trump would not use California, although the reason would be that CA is a hotbed of filthy commie Democrats.
On 4/4/2025 3:30 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
Op 04/04/2025 om 12:41 schreef Fredxx:In inverness, I'm more likely to hear Polish being spoken, than Gaelic.
Scotland has seen very little immigration from Eastern Europe from
2004/5 onwards.
You are very muck mistaken or maybe you don't live in Britain. I lived
in Glasgow around 2004-2007 and it was absolutely flooded with Poles.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 17:28:00 -0500, JNugent wrote:
I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved production to
California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production' here
means assembly. I understand that components come from something like
40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of the
component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than
China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be
very expensive indeed.
Because of high labour and housing costs in the main urban areas,
California probably not be an attractive location for car and component
manufacture relocated from Mexico and Canada.
The rust belt states would clamouring for the work.
Trump would not use California, although the reason would be that CA is a hotbed of filthy commie Democrats.
On 4 Apr 2025 at 23:41:55 BST, "Bob Eager" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 17:28:00 -0500, JNugent wrote:
I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved production to >>>> California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production' here >>>> means assembly. I understand that components come from something like
40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of the
component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than
China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be
very expensive indeed.
Because of high labour and housing costs in the main urban areas,
California probably not be an attractive location for car and component
manufacture relocated from Mexico and Canada.
The rust belt states would clamouring for the work.
Trump would not use California, although the reason would be that CA is a
hotbed of filthy commie Democrats.
I don't think that the Demos, even now, have realised the extent to which they
have acted as enablers for Trump.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 22:18:33 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 03/04/2025 18:48, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:12:47 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 03/04/2025 17:45, Scott wrote:
If I wanted to buy a Land Rover, would I be put off by an extra 10%? >>>>> Especially if I knew that tax was broadly the same as in the UK.
Cars have a 25% tariff, not 10%.
Is that all cars, including imports from China that I thought had a
higher tariff?
All cars and car parts from anywhere in the world have a 25% tariff. I'm
not sure if Trump's additional tariff for Chinese goods applies to cars
or not.
Hilarious. What proportion by value of a US made car is represented by imported parts?
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 17:28:00 -0500, JNugent wrote:
I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved production to
California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production' here
means assembly. I understand that components come from something like
40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of the
component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than
China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be
very expensive indeed.
Because of high labour and housing costs in the main urban areas,
California probably not be an attractive location for car and component
manufacture relocated from Mexico and Canada.
The rust belt states would clamouring for the work.
Trump would not use California, although the reason would be that CA is a hotbed of filthy commie Democrats.
On 05/04/2025 09:09, Tim Streater wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 at 23:41:55 BST, "Bob Eager" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 17:28:00 -0500, JNugent wrote:
I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved
production to
California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production'
here
means assembly. I understand that components come from something like >>>>> 40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of the >>>>> component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than >>>>> China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be
very expensive indeed.
Because of high labour and housing costs in the main urban areas,
California probably not be an attractive location for car and component >>>> manufacture relocated from Mexico and Canada.
The rust belt states would clamouring for the work.
Trump would not use California, although the reason would be that CA
is a
hotbed of filthy commie Democrats.
I don't think that the Demos, even now, have realised the extent to
which they
have acted as enablers for Trump.
Nope.
As with the UK, there is no longer a 'conservative' element. There is
radical left and radical right.
In the UK there was radical left and left.
On 05/04/2025 06:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 09:09, Tim Streater wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 at 23:41:55 BST, "Bob Eager" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 17:28:00 -0500, JNugent wrote:
I was more thinking about what would happen if they moved
production to
California (as I assume Mr Trump would wish). I think 'production' >>>>>> here
means assembly. I understand that components come from something like >>>>>> 40(?) different countries so I am suggesting that a large part of the >>>>>> component cost would be subject to tariffs.
In addition, the US wage costs must be very substantially higher than >>>>>> China (I accept they may use more robots) so a 'MAGA' iPad could be >>>>>> very expensive indeed.
Because of high labour and housing costs in the main urban areas,
California probably not be an attractive location for car and component >>>>> manufacture relocated from Mexico and Canada.
The rust belt states would clamouring for the work.
Trump would not use California, although the reason would be that CA
is a hotbed of filthy commie Democrats.
I don't think that the Demos, even now, have realised the extent to
which they have acted as enablers for Trump.
Nope.
As with the UK, there is no longer a 'conservative' element. There is
radical left and radical right.
On 04/04/2025 09:48, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 22:18:33 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 03/04/2025 18:48, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:12:47 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 03/04/2025 17:45, Scott wrote:
If I wanted to buy a Land Rover, would I be put off by an extra 10%? >>>>>> Especially if I knew that tax was broadly the same as in the UK.
Cars have a 25% tariff, not 10%.
Is that all cars, including imports from China that I thought had a
higher tariff?
All cars and car parts from anywhere in the world have a 25% tariff. I'm >>> not sure if Trump's additional tariff for Chinese goods applies to cars
or not.
Hilarious. What proportion by value of a US made car is represented by
imported parts?
That would depend on what the manufacturer decides for any particular model. Could be anything from a fraction of a percent to tens of percents.
On Sat, 4/5/2025 8:19 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 04/04/2025 09:48, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 22:18:33 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 03/04/2025 18:48, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:12:47 +0100, Jeff Layman <[email protected]d> >>>>> wrote:
On 03/04/2025 17:45, Scott wrote:
If I wanted to buy a Land Rover, would I be put off by an extra 10%? >>>>>>> Especially if I knew that tax was broadly the same as in the UK.
Cars have a 25% tariff, not 10%.
Is that all cars, including imports from China that I thought had a
higher tariff?
All cars and car parts from anywhere in the world have a 25% tariff. I'm >>>> not sure if Trump's additional tariff for Chinese goods applies to cars >>>> or not.
Hilarious. What proportion by value of a US made car is represented by
imported parts?
That would depend on what the manufacturer decides for any particular model. >> Could be anything from a fraction of a percent to tens of percents.
Subassemblies of one sort or another, go back and forth across
the border, as things are added to them. It's not just a unidirectional movement of finished parts. It's really quite amazing, from an organization aspect. It's run like an Airbus or Boeing. It's JIT and it is borderless. Just a reduction in paperwork, helps enable it.
A tariff will not just raise the price of the item. It is so impractical (even if the tariff was 1%) from a paperwork perspective, the model will
just "break". Stellantis has already closed one plant.
This is the history of it. The Auto Pact and NAFTA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_Automotive_Products_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
The interesting thing to me, about recent events, is unlike other times
in history, I see no economists contributing simulation or estimation exercises, to predict the outcome of moves like this. It will likely
take some time, to respond to "a series of numbers withdrawn from a hat", like a bingo parlor. Even the penguins are waiting for the analysis,
to see how much their poop exports will drop.
On 4/4/2025 3:30 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
Op 04/04/2025 om 12:41 schreef Fredxx:In inverness, I'm more likely to hear Polish being spoken, than Gaelic.
Scotland has seen very little immigration from Eastern Europe from
2004/5 onwards.
You are very muck mistaken or maybe you don't live in Britain. I lived
in Glasgow around 2004-2007 and it was absolutely flooded with Poles.
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