I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May. I >understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets
'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some
trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May. I understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets
'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some
trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 14:50:41 +0000, Scott
<[email protected]> wrote:
I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May.
I understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets >'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some >trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
Posted to the wrong group but I expect people here will know the
answer anyway !!!
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 14:50:41 +0000, Scott
<[email protected]> wrote:
I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May. I
understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets
'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some
trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
Posted to the wrong group but I expect people here will know the
answer anyway !!!
I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May. I >understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets
'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some
trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
Thanks. Found it on Avanti website. This seems to cover the situation:
Ticket Description
Off-Peak fares are cheaper tickets for travelling on trains that are
less busy. You may need to travel at specific times of the day, days
of the week and sometimes on specific routes or operators.The times
when you may use your Off-Peak ticket will depend on the journey you
are making and you will be advised when buying your ticket. The
National Rail Journey Planner will automatically work out which
tickets are valid for your journey. Valid by the route shown - Outward
Within 01 Day, Return Within 01 Month
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 14:50:41 +0000, Scott
<[email protected]> wrote:
I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May. I >>understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets
'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some >>trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
My opinion (and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it) is
that you could do it on the return leg but not on the outward one.
If you look at the paper ticket (or presumably somewhere on your phone
if you have your tickets sent to your phone) the outbound ticket is
printed with the words "Valid on" followed by the actual date of the
outbound journey and the return ticket is printed "Valid until" with a
date approximately one month after the outbound ticket date. The
return ticket is the one you could probably play around with -
provided that starting your return journey doesn't set some cunning
countdown mechanism into play. You might want to look into that
aspect.
Yes, BoJ and ticket validity are separate things. The outward of an Offpeak is valid on one day only. If BoJ is allowed it means you could stop off for several hours for, say, a football match and then resume your journey. You couldn't break for a day or more then resume. (although I think you could continue onto the next day after 4.30am if you started travelling before then, but with no further BoJ)
An Anytime Return allows 5 days for the outward (including unlimited BoJ where permitted). But you may find buying separate tickets is cheaper.
Scott <[email protected]> writes:
I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May. I
understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets
'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some
trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
It's often cheaper to buy several tickets to "split" your journey into different legs.
There are several web site that will do this for you, e.g. https://book.splitticketing.com/
Check to see whether buying individual tickets between your destinations might be cheaper than end-to-end.
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 17:42:22 +0000, Nick Odell <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 14:50:41 +0000, ScottThanks. Found it on Avanti website. This seems to cover the situation:
<[email protected]> wrote:
I am planning a trip from Glasgow to Newton Abbot (and back) in May. I
understand from the Avanti website that off-peak return tickets
'generally' allow break of journey in either direction.
Could I travel from Glasgow to Birmingham New Street (to look at some
trams), spend two nights in Birmingham, then travel to Taunton (to
visit the West Somerset Railway), spend two nights in Taunton then
travel to Newton Abbot or would this be taking the p*ss?
My opinion (and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it) is
that you could do it on the return leg but not on the outward one.
If you look at the paper ticket (or presumably somewhere on your phone
if you have your tickets sent to your phone) the outbound ticket is
printed with the words "Valid on" followed by the actual date of the
outbound journey and the return ticket is printed "Valid until" with a
date approximately one month after the outbound ticket date. The
return ticket is the one you could probably play around with -
provided that starting your return journey doesn't set some cunning
countdown mechanism into play. You might want to look into that
aspect.
Ticket Description
Off-Peak fares are cheaper tickets for travelling on trains that are
less busy. You may need to travel at specific times of the day, days
of the week and sometimes on specific routes or operators.The times
when you may use your Off-Peak ticket will depend on the journey you
are making and you will be advised when buying your ticket. The
National Rail Journey Planner will automatically work out which
tickets are valid for your journey. Valid by the route shown - Outward
Within 01 Day, Return Within 01 Month
Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks. Found it on Avanti website. This seems to cover the situation:
Ticket Description
Off-Peak fares are cheaper tickets for travelling on trains that are
less busy. You may need to travel at specific times of the day, days
of the week and sometimes on specific routes or operators.The times
when you may use your Off-Peak ticket will depend on the journey you
are making and you will be advised when buying your ticket. The
National Rail Journey Planner will automatically work out which
tickets are valid for your journey. Valid by the route shown - Outward
Within 01 Day, Return Within 01 Month
Yes, BoJ and ticket validity are separate things. The outward of an Offpeak is valid on one day only. If BoJ is allowed it means you could stop off for several hours for, say, a football match and then resume your journey. You couldn't break for a day or more then resume. (although I think you could continue onto the next day after 4.30am if you started travelling before then, but with no further BoJ)
An Anytime Return allows 5 days for the outward (including unlimited BoJ
where permitted). But you may find buying separate tickets is cheaper.
Theo
It's often cheaper to buy several tickets to "split" your journey into >different legs.
Graeme wrote:
JOOI, does the train have to stop at a 'split' station?
Technically it has to be scheduled to stop at that station (I suppose
there might turn out to be a reason it is unable to do so) but you
don't have to get off and on again.
Additionally some stations are classed as "pick up" or "set down" only, >they're invalid for splitting.
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings Cross
and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to
Cambridge plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a
train which did not stop at Cambridge?
No. Though I have witnessed a ticket inspector let someone off.
JOOI, does the train have to stop at a 'split' station?
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings Cross
and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to Cambridge
plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a train which
did not stop at Cambridge?
In message <[email protected]>, Alan J. Wylie
<[email protected]> writes
It's often cheaper to buy several tickets to "split" your journey into >different legs.
JOOI, does the train have to stop at a 'split' station?
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings Cross
and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to Cambridge
plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a train which
did not stop at Cambridge?
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that a
side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
Graeme wrote:
JOOI, does the train have to stop at a 'split' station?
Technically it has to be scheduled to stop at that station (I suppose there might turn out to be a reason it is unable to do so) but you don't have to get off and on again.
Additionally some stations are classed as "pick up" or "set down" only, they're invalid for splitting.
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings Cross and
found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to Cambridge plus
a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a train which did not
stop at Cambridge?
No. Though I have witnessed a ticket inspector let someone off.
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that a side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
I wonder if you're travelling on electronic tickets in an app, whether
it GPS tracks you, to detect sneaky moves like that?
Also if you're on a train so busy the collector doesn't complete all
coaches, and you decide to try and refund the ticket as "unused", would
they say "that's funny, your phone departed station abc at the same time
as our xx:yy o'clock service and followed the route of the xyz line"?
In message <[email protected]>, at 13:26:38 on Thu, 27
Mar 2025, Andy Burns <[email protected]> remarked:
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings Cross
and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to
Cambridge plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a
train which did not stop at Cambridge?
As it happens, Cambridge is one of those stations where every* passenger train stops.
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that a >>> side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
You'd need to take a train that stopped at Hitchin. So that would be a
train from Aberdeen to Peterborough and then change onto a slower Thameslink train that stopped at Hitchin.
If there weren't on-train checks between Peterborough and Hitchin then you might get away with it, but it would be technically against the T&C.
On 27/03/2025 14:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <[email protected]>, at 13:26:38 on Thu, 27
Mar 2025, Andy Burns <[email protected]> remarked:
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings
Cross and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to >>>>Cambridge� plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use
a train which� did not stop at Cambridge?
As it happens, Cambridge is one of those stations where every*the ones from Aberdeen to Kins Cross don't :)
passenger train stops.
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to >>Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that
a side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
I wonder if you're travelling on electronic tickets in an app, whether
it GPS tracks you, to detect sneaky moves like that?
Also if you're on a train so busy the collector
doesn't complete all coaches, and you decide to try and refund the
ticket as "unused", would they say "that's funny, your phone departed
station abc at the same time as our xx:yy o'clock service and followed
the route of the xyz line"?
On 27/03/2025 14:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <[email protected]>, at 13:26:38 on Thu, 27
Mar 2025, Andy Burns <[email protected]> remarked:
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings Cross
and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to
Cambridge plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a
train which did not stop at Cambridge?
As it happens, Cambridge is one of those stations where every*
passenger train stops.
the ones from Aberdeen to Kins Cross don't :)
On 27/03/2025 18:03, Theo wrote:
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that a >>>> side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
You'd need to take a train that stopped at Hitchin. So that would
be a train from Aberdeen to Peterborough and then change onto a
slower Thameslink train that stopped at Hitchin.
If there weren't on-train checks between Peterborough and Hitchin then you >> might get away with it, but it would be technically against the T&C.
Would Aberdeen to Cambridge not permit Peterborough to Hitchin?
(Yes, I realise it is not very practical.)
On 27/03/2025 13:26, Andy Burns wrote:
Graeme wrote:
JOOI, does the train have to stop at a 'split' station?Technically it has to be scheduled to stop at that station (I
suppose there might turn out to be a reason it is unable to do so)
but you don't have to get off and on again.
Additionally some stations are classed as "pick up" or "set down"
only, they're invalid for splitting.
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings
Cross and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to >>>Cambridge plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a >>>train which did not stop at Cambridge?
I think you would have to use a train which did not stop at Cambridge.
No. Though I have witnessed a ticket inspector let someone off.
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge,
and Cambridge to King's Cross.
Could an inspector spot that a side trip to Cambridge had not been made
On 27/03/2025 18:03, Theo wrote:
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that a >>> side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
You'd need to take a train that stopped at Hitchin. So that would be a train from Aberdeen to Peterborough and then change onto a slower Thameslink
train that stopped at Hitchin.
If there weren't on-train checks between Peterborough and Hitchin then you might get away with it, but it would be technically against the T&C.
Would Aberdeen to Cambridge not permit Peterborough to Hitchin?
(Yes, I realise it is not very practical.)
In message <[email protected]>, at 17:11:56 on Thu, 27
Mar 2025, Andy Burns <[email protected]> remarked:
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to >>>Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that
a side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
I wonder if you're travelling on electronic tickets in an app, whether
it GPS tracks you, to detect sneaky moves like that?
No, that's far too hi-tech for the train companies. There was supposed
to be a pilot scheme about ten years ago on Greater Anglia to provide >ticketless travel by logging GPS, then work out an appropriate fare
later. But I'm not sure it got of the drawing board, and is certainly
not deployed.
In message <vs3v4g$27535$[email protected]>, at 16:41:52 on Thu, 27 Mar 2025, Nick Finnigan <[email protected]> remarked:
On 27/03/2025 13:26, Andy Burns wrote:
Graeme wrote:
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings Cross
and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen to
Cambridge plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I use a >>>> train which did not stop at Cambridge?
I think you would have to use a train which did not stop at Cambridge.
You can't catch a train which doesn't stop at Cambridge, because there
aren't any.
I can see why. If you walk or cycle you could be charged for a trainI wonder if you're travelling on electronic tickets in an app, whether
it GPS tracks you, to detect sneaky moves like that?
No, that's far too hi-tech for the train companies. There was supposed
to be a pilot scheme about ten years ago on Greater Anglia to provide >>ticketless travel by logging GPS, then work out an appropriate fare
later. But I'm not sure it got of the drawing board, and is certainly
not deployed.
journey you never made :-)
On 28/03/2025 08:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vs3v4g$27535$[email protected]>, at 16:41:52 on Thu, 27 Mar >>2025, Nick Finnigan <[email protected]> remarked:
On 27/03/2025 13:26, Andy Burns wrote:
Graeme wrote:
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings >>>>>Cross and� found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen
to Cambridge plus� a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I >>>>>use a train which did not� stop at Cambridge?
I think you would have to use a train which did not stop at Cambridge.
You can't catch a train which doesn't stop at Cambridge, because
there aren't any.
All the trains from Aberdeen stop at Cambridge ?
Nick Finnigan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27/03/2025 18:03, Theo wrote:
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that a >>>>> side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
You'd need to take a train that stopped at Hitchin. So that would be a
train from Aberdeen to Peterborough and then change onto a slower Thameslink
train that stopped at Hitchin.
If there weren't on-train checks between Peterborough and Hitchin then you >>> might get away with it, but it would be technically against the T&C.
Would Aberdeen to Cambridge not permit Peterborough to Hitchin?
(Yes, I realise it is not very practical.)
Mapped routes LONDON, AA and EC+KE. Looks like the first and third would allow travel via Hitchin, in which case if you had a 'Route Any Permitted' flexible ticket then you could do that. If you had an advance ticket you'd have to travel on the specific trains chosen.
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/travel-information/routeing-guide/
for the gory details and maps.
In message <vs5oo2$27535$[email protected]>, at 09:05:05 on Fri, 28 Mar 2025, Nick Finnigan <[email protected]> remarked:
On 28/03/2025 08:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vs3v4g$27535$[email protected]>, at 16:41:52 on Thu, 27 Mar
2025, Nick Finnigan <[email protected]> remarked:
On 27/03/2025 13:26, Andy Burns wrote:
Graeme wrote:
Put another way, were I travelling from, say, Aberdeen to Kings
Cross and found the cheapest option being a ticket from Aberdeen >>>>>> to Cambridge plus a ticket from Cambridge to Kings Cross, could I >>>>>> use a train which did not stop at Cambridge?
I think you would have to use a train which did not stop at Cambridge.
You can't catch a train which doesn't stop at Cambridge, because there >>> aren't any.
All the trains from Aberdeen stop at Cambridge ?
Oh really, please keep up! There are no direct trains from Aberdeen which
go via Cambridge. Either stopping or non-stopping.
On 28/03/2025 08:44, Theo wrote:
Nick Finnigan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27/03/2025 18:03, Theo wrote:
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Nick Finnigan wrote:
It may be that changing at Hitchin is valid for both Aberdeen to
Cambridge, and Cambridge to King's Cross. Could an inspector spot that a
side trip to Cambridge had not been made ?
You'd need to take a train that stopped at Hitchin. So that would be a >>> train from Aberdeen to Peterborough and then change onto a slower Thameslink
train that stopped at Hitchin.
If there weren't on-train checks between Peterborough and Hitchin then you
might get away with it, but it would be technically against the T&C.
Would Aberdeen to Cambridge not permit Peterborough to Hitchin?
(Yes, I realise it is not very practical.)
Mapped routes LONDON, AA and EC+KE. Looks like the first and third would allow travel via Hitchin, in which case if you had a 'Route Any Permitted' flexible ticket then you could do that. If you had an advance ticket you'd have to travel on the specific trains chosen.
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/travel-information/routeing-guide/
for the gory details and maps.
... and so could you actually stay on to LONDON with the Aberdeen to Cambridge 'Route any Permitted' ?
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