• Wireless TV/Aerial/HDMI question

    From No mail@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 9 14:26:04 2025
    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV
    aerial so I'm looking for ways to avoid the need for a cable between the
    two. We watch very little terrestrial TV so I don't want to invest a lot
    of time/money in solving the problem (digging out walls, floors or
    ceilings is not an option) but it would be good to have a back-up to the internet connection. We're in a weak signal area so an internal aerial
    isn't an option.

    - I'm wondering whether it would be viable to site a STB near the aerial
    socket and then connect the STB to the TV (or A/V amp) with an HDMI
    wireless link - has anyone tried this with success (or failure)?

    - Is there another solution that I should be investigating?

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  • From Bernard Peek@21:1/5 to No mail on Sun Mar 9 23:15:58 2025
    On 2025-03-09, No mail <[email protected]> wrote:
    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV
    aerial so I'm looking for ways to avoid the need for a cable between the
    two. We watch very little terrestrial TV so I don't want to invest a lot
    of time/money in solving the problem (digging out walls, floors or
    ceilings is not an option) but it would be good to have a back-up to the internet connection. We're in a weak signal area so an internal aerial
    isn't an option.

    - I'm wondering whether it would be viable to site a STB near the aerial socket and then connect the STB to the TV (or A/V amp) with an HDMI
    wireless link - has anyone tried this with success (or failure)?

    - Is there another solution that I should be investigating?

    The STB is likely to have a media-server accessible via a WiFi network.

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    Wigan

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Mar 10 02:43:26 2025
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 10:26 AM, No mail wrote:
    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV aerial so I'm looking for ways to avoid the need for a cable between the two. We watch very little terrestrial TV so I don't want to invest a lot of time/money in solving the
    problem (digging out walls, floors or ceilings is not an option) but it would be good to have a back-up to the internet connection. We're in a weak signal area so an internal aerial isn't an option.

    - I'm wondering whether it would be viable to site a STB near the aerial socket and then connect the STB to the TV (or A/V amp) with an HDMI wireless link - has anyone tried this with success (or failure)?

    - Is there another solution that I should be investigating?

    There is a SiliconDust tuner, with Ethernet and Wifi output.
    The packaging seems smaller than the older ones (which were the
    size of hifi component boxes).

    https://shopuk.silicondust.com/shop/product-category/hardware/

    To work with the Ethernet (if you wanted to do that), you could use
    Power Line Networking, and send the Ethernet signal over mains
    to a matching Power Line unit elsewhere in the house, where it comes
    back out as Ethernet.

    But with Wifi available, there is no need for a Power Line technique.
    The box can Wifi to your router.

    There is much research still to be done, about a unit like that.
    For example, if the networking is 802.11n (old school), there
    isn't likely to be a lot of margin on four channels of output.
    Newer Wifi standards don't guarantee much of anything. Boxes
    like this, the design could have some amount of old school materials
    (be based on a SOC, and not modular design, and only the silicon
    tuner chips would be separate, which is the RF front end).

    If you used the DVR feature, you would need Guide Data (which always
    has an annual fee -- any time someone attempts to offer such data
    for free, usually the service stops pretty quickly).

    This isn't the same unit, but I bet the silicon inside it is the
    same, and it runs different firmware. But the "behaviors" (no remote control) should be similar enough. I can't see a reason it would use the
    encrypted channels feature, as it's just not the same kind of TV.
    The UK version would work with different standards. I was hoping for a takeapart, to show what the chip count is like. You won't be running
    ATSC 3, so there wont be a problem with audio where you are. We don't
    run ATSC 3 here either, as far as I know. If we do, then I would consider
    it to be very poorly advertised if so. My tuner and STB are 8VSB,
    which is the older standard.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/624370/hdhomerun-flex-4k-review.html

    There are likely to be better versions of that, and that's just an
    illustration of a box. There is not generally a lot of head-to-head
    competition for that company. Other tuning solutions don't generally
    match them for feature set. Maybe there is a patent involved or something.

    Since broadcast TV is a dying thing, the choices of chips for the job,
    might not be as wide as it was at one time. That's part of the problem
    when shopping for tuners, is the question of "what is left" for chips.

    The existence of a box like that, is not an indication that the tuner
    industry is "healthy".

    Paul

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Mar 10 08:08:43 2025
    On 3/9/25 14:26, No mail wrote:
    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV
    aerial so I'm looking for ways to avoid the need for a cable between the
    two. We watch very little terrestrial TV so I don't want to invest a lot
    of time/money in solving the problem (digging out walls, floors or
    ceilings is not an option) but it would be good to have a back-up to the internet connection. We're in a weak signal area so an internal aerial
    isn't an option.

    - I'm wondering whether it would be viable to site a STB near the aerial socket and then connect the STB to the TV (or A/V amp) with an HDMI
    wireless link - has anyone tried this with success (or failure)?

    - Is there another solution that I should be investigating?

    The most flexible way is to convert the TV ariel signal and stream it
    over your LAN connection/WiFi, but you need to be able to convert the
    video stream both at the ariel end and the TV end. It depends how you
    watch internet TV, maybe modern TVs can already accept video streamed
    over the LAN from something like Tvheadend?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Mar 10 07:16:35 2025
    No mail wrote:

    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV
    aerial

    When you say "some distance" would the STB's remote control still reach
    from the TV's position? I had a quick look but none of the wireless
    HDMI dongles I saw include infrared magic eyes.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Mar 10 08:41:29 2025
    On 10/03/2025 07:16, Andy Burns wrote:
    No mail wrote:

    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV
    aerial

    When you say "some distance" would the STB's remote control still reach
    from the TV's position?  I had a quick look but none of the wireless
    HDMI dongles I saw include infrared magic eyes.


    Enigma2 receivers running something like OpenVix can operate in client
    mode over your home network. One receiver is connected to satellite or
    an aerial (you just have to chose one of the dozen or so boxes that has
    tuner to suit your method of reception) and captures the EPG etc. The
    remote box on the network connected via wi-fi or ethernet then has all
    the relevant information from the first box and you can select via the
    remote box's remote control what you want to watch. This switches the
    tuner on the first box to the relevant channel and the remote box
    outputs the video/audio via a HDMI lead to the TV.

    https://www.openvix.co.uk/index.php/guides-and-tutorials/how-to-setup-and-use-openvix-client-mode/

    You need a enigma2 receiving box to support a terrestrial signal but the
    second box can be a don't care with regards tuners as it just needs to
    be running something like Openvix (free). The second box can be a
    cheaper box but it needs to support wi-fi. Some of the cheaper Enigma2
    boxes have inbuilt wi-fi but others require a USB wi-fi dongle.

    If going down this route ask in the user forum (it a fairly active
    forum) Note: The forum is about to migrate servers, or server
    software, and there have been warning posts about the servers being down
    while this happens.

    Forum
    https://www.world-of-satellite.com/forum.php
    Just scroll down to
    ViX Team Images Support Discussion

    Free registration
    https://www.world-of-satellite.com/register.php

    This is a moderated forum - with multiple moderators

    Openvix
    https://www.openvix.co.uk/index.php/openvix-features-2/

    Enigma 2 receivers (note: not all on this page a Enigma2) https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/satellite-and-terrestrial/digital-receivers


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Mar 10 10:50:29 2025
    On 09/03/2025 14:26, No mail wrote:
    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV
    aerial so I'm looking for ways to avoid the need for a cable between the
    two. We watch very little terrestrial TV so I don't want to invest a lot
    of time/money in solving the problem (digging out walls, floors or
    ceilings is not an option) but it would be good to have a back-up to the internet connection. We're in a weak signal area so an internal aerial
    isn't an option.

    - I'm wondering whether it would be viable to site a STB near the aerial socket and then connect the STB to the TV (or A/V amp) with an HDMI
    wireless link - has anyone tried this with success (or failure)?

    - Is there another solution that I should be investigating?

    The solution I am adopting is to have a TV Server running TVheadend with
    a dongle and use a client application on a computer to put the TV on the screen.

    Kodi is the simple way out if you don't like configuring software.


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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Mar 10 13:13:37 2025
    The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 14:26, No mail wrote:
    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV aerial so I'm looking for ways to avoid the need for a cable between the two. We watch very little terrestrial TV so I don't want to invest a lot
    of time/money in solving the problem (digging out walls, floors or
    ceilings is not an option) but it would be good to have a back-up to the internet connection. We're in a weak signal area so an internal aerial isn't an option.

    - I'm wondering whether it would be viable to site a STB near the aerial socket and then connect the STB to the TV (or A/V amp) with an HDMI wireless link - has anyone tried this with success (or failure)?

    - Is there another solution that I should be investigating?

    The solution I am adopting is to have a TV Server running TVheadend with
    a dongle and use a client application on a computer to put the TV on the screen.

    Kodi is the simple way out if you don't like configuring software.

    A couple of Pis, one with a TV HAT running TVheadend and one plugged into
    the TV would do it, with wifi between. The main downside (once you've set
    it up) is that you get to use the Kodi UI for navigating TV channels - not
    sure the EPG/etc is as friendly as that you can on a TV.

    Theo

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Mar 10 14:36:30 2025
    On 09/03/2025 14:26, No mail wrote:
    My TV is now some distance away from the socket for the terrestrial TV
    aerial so I'm looking for ways to avoid the need for a cable between the
    two. We watch very little terrestrial TV so I don't want to invest a lot
    of time/money in solving the problem (digging out walls, floors or
    ceilings is not an option) but it would be good to have a back-up to the internet connection. We're in a weak signal area so an internal aerial
    isn't an option.

    - I'm wondering whether it would be viable to site a STB near the aerial socket and then connect the STB to the TV (or A/V amp) with an HDMI
    wireless link - has anyone tried this with success (or failure)?

    - Is there another solution that I should be investigating?

    Wireless HDMI extenders are around £50 if you avoid the more expensive business focused "solutions" - probably worth a shot (easy to setup and
    use) but be careful reading adverts which confuse them with things that
    do Mirroring functions with computers and mobile phones. There may also
    be issues with distance degradation and interference to/from WiFi
    networks sharing the same radio channel.

    Or, you can just stream live TV - My Amazon stick shows all the major UK channels.

    Make up an emergency DVD of comedies, place it inside a wall mounted
    case - "break glass in case of internet failure".

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    Adrian C

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