Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected] email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP
provided email address.

Tim

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On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can
choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected]
email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP provided email address.

Tim

Because for those that do, which I suspect is quite a few, it is the
easiest original plug'n'play solution. Extricating and trying to
update everyone who uses it to contact you is not without errors
and omissions.

Once you no longer have access to the original email it is nigh
on impossible to change it.

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On 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 GMT, Tim+ <[email protected]> wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can
choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected]
email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP >provided email address.

Nonetheless some of us have had btinternet addresses since the days of
dial-up and that's a lot of people who will have those details in
their address books even if I've not communicated with them for a year
or three.

If they are to be removed it is petty as it would be fairly trivial
for there to be a seamless transition. Not that many running these organisations understand IT or their customers nowadays. Bean
counters rule.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On 19/02/2025 21:49, Andrew wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP
provided email address.

Because for those that do, which I suspect is quite a few, it is the
easiest original plug'n'play solution. Extricating and trying to
update everyone who uses it to contact you is not without errors
and omissions.

Once you no longer have access to the original email it is nigh
on impossible to change it.

Back when I joined the internet, with Virgin, the likes of Gmail and
other free email providers did not exist. When I left Virgin and joined Plusnet, my Virgin account remained active and I could receive emails on
it for a couple of decades. But I knew it was doomed and would die one
day when they realised that I was no longer dialling in (remember
dial-up internet?) and didn't have an ADSL account with them.

Sadly when they eventually pulled the plug on it, they didn't give me
any warning. I had to work out who I'd given the email to, by looking
back over saved emails, and which companies I'd used it as a user ID.

I managed it. I think the only place where I was caught in a deadly
embrace was Dropbox, where I needed to be able to receive the "change"
email on the old Virgin address in order to update it to a new GMail
address. So I had to take out a brand new account with Dropbox.
Everywhere else would send a security token to the mobile phone number
that I'd registered with them, but not Dropbox - maybe I'd never given
my mobile number to them. And like all the "best" (irony!) companies, everything is automatic and you can't get to speak to or email a human
being.

Sadly there are some companies which will not accept GMail and other
free, ISP-independent email addresses "for security reasons" which is a
bummer. At least when we took out web-hosting space, that came with
"free" email accounts (at no extra charge other than the hosting charge)
so there are always those if Plusnet ever pull the plug on their email accounts.

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On 19/02/2025 21:49, Andrew wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can >>> choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected] >>> email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP
provided email address.

Tim

Because for those that do, which I suspect is quite a few, it is the
easiest original plug'n'play solution. Extricating and trying to
update everyone who uses it to contact you is not without errors
and omissions.

Once you no longer have access to the original email it is nigh
on impossible to change it.

I ran my old ISP email in parallel with my own domain email for a number
of years, until I was sure that nothing important was still on the old
address.

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On 19/02/2025 22:10, NY wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:49, Andrew wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP
provided email address.

Because for those that do, which I suspect is quite a few, it is the
easiest original plug'n'play solution. Extricating and trying to
update everyone who uses it to contact you is not without errors
and omissions.

Once you no longer have access to the original email it is nigh
on impossible to change it.

Back when I joined the internet, with Virgin, the likes of Gmail and
other free email providers did not exist. When I left Virgin and joined Plusnet, my Virgin account remained active and I could receive emails on
it for a couple of decades. But I knew it was doomed and would die one
day when they realised that I was no longer dialling in (remember dial-
up internet?) and didn't have an ADSL account with them.

Sadly when they eventually pulled the plug on it, they didn't give me
any warning. I had to work out who I'd given the email to, by looking
back over saved emails, and which companies I'd used it as a user ID.

I had an [email protected] email address for quite a while, but then
moved to a different ISP in 2003.
That BT email address carried on working until last year, when they
finally pulled the plug.

I made a point of backing up all those emails, so I haven't lost anything.

--
Sam Plusnet

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Tim+ <[email protected]> wrote:

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP provided email address.

I think they're quite important actually, as they're the place most normal users can get support with their email. Sure you can get a free gmail, but
good luck with Google phone support. And getting your own paid email isn't something many people know about.

So for many people an ISP address is the best option for them.

Theo

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On 19/02/2025 21:19, Andrew wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

BT are still offering me new 24 month contracts, still offering to take
on new customers. However, EE are now offering 'Fibre 67 essentials' for
less than 'Fibre 50 Essentials' and less than BT Fibre 1.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can choose
to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best experience
from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected] email addresses !

BT email basic; web only, but at least the email adrress will work. https://www.bt.com/help/email/bt-email-products

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On 19/02/2025 21:19, Andrew wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected] email addresses !

Unfortunately it's happened before with previous names, Orange then T-Mobile



--
Regards
wasbit

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On 19/02/2025 21:19, Andrew wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The vibe seemed to be move now if you want, and if you don't them we
will move you anyway.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected] email addresses !

She did say that email and cloud services will cease when you move (and
so by implication) when they move you.



--
Cheers,

John.

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 09:01:30 +0000, Nick Finnigan <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:19, Andrew wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

BT are still offering me new 24 month contracts, still offering to take
on new customers. However, EE are now offering 'Fibre 67 essentials' for
less than 'Fibre 50 Essentials' and less than BT Fibre 1.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can choose
to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best experience
from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected]
email addresses !

BT email basic; web only, but at least the email adrress will work.
https://www.bt.com/help/email/bt-email-products

Well at least that is better than having the rug pulled from under
your feet totally. But between my wife and me I've ended up with
about 7 addresses. There was a time you could create a new address
when using a different dial-in number, and then aliases were allowed
later on.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:19:15 +0000
Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with
[email protected] email addresses !

It has already. BT has never done email. In the late 90s, their
*business* customers were recommended to get free Yahoo addresses for
their staff (!), after a while they actually outsourced email to Yahoo,
then later to Microsoft.

A year or two ago, MS stopped POP and IMAP access to btconnect.com
addresses. You either used webmail and had no real means of archiving
(business emails are legal documents which must be kept for at least
seven years) or paid extra (£15 a month, I think) for an Exchange
account with which you needed to use Outlook.

I have had three client who I advised against using BT for internet
and email, all three did so anyway, all three had entirely avoidable
problems with BT.

--
Joe

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On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can
choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected]
email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP provided email address.

Agreed, the exception to the rule was Orange who allowed their email
service to continue. I felt they were also more likely to have customer
return after not pissing them off.

It can also be a supplier's Achilles heel. When TalkTalk closed my
account, together with access to 2 years bills I requested access to my
account as per original claim when I started, or a paper copy of each
bill as an alternative. Their solution was to send 3 lots of thick A4
envelopes of those bills.

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 00:33:06 +0000, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 19/02/2025 22:10, NY wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:49, Andrew wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an
ISP provided email address.

Because for those that do, which I suspect is quite a few, it is the
easiest original plug'n'play solution. Extricating and trying to
update everyone who uses it to contact you is not without errors and
omissions.

Once you no longer have access to the original email it is nigh on
impossible to change it.

Back when I joined the internet, with Virgin, the likes of Gmail and
other free email providers did not exist. When I left Virgin and joined
Plusnet, my Virgin account remained active and I could receive emails
on it for a couple of decades. But I knew it was doomed and would die
one day when they realised that I was no longer dialling in (remember
dial- up internet?) and didn't have an ADSL account with them.

Sadly when they eventually pulled the plug on it, they didn't give me
any warning. I had to work out who I'd given the email to, by looking
back over saved emails, and which companies I'd used it as a user ID.

I had an [email protected] email address for quite a while, but then
moved to a different ISP in 2003.
That BT email address carried on working until last year, when they
finally pulled the plug.

I made a point of backing up all those emails, so I haven't lost
anything.

I pay BT each month for the use of my old email addresses.
Hopefully that facility will remain.

Cheers



Dave R


--
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On 20/02/2025 10:22, wasbit wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:19, Andrew wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can
choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected]
email addresses !

Unfortunately it's happened before with previous names, Orange then T-
Mobile

Zen no longer offer email (from a couple of years ago) for new customers
but old customers can still use Zen for sending and receiving - but I
don't know for how much longer.

I still have a few places where my zen email address is used but most
(all) my important contacts are using my domain address and for some of
the trivial stuff a gmail address.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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On 20/02/2025 23:01, alan_m wrote:

On 20/02/2025 10:22, wasbit wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:19, Andrew wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can >>> choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected] >>> email addresses !

Unfortunately it's happened before with previous names, Orange then T-
Mobile

Zen no longer offer email (from a couple of years ago) for new customers
but old customers can still use Zen for sending and receiving - but I
don't know for how much longer.

It is a general trend with ISPs - the "bundle" of services they offer
alongside broadband seems to be getting aggressively pruned back.
Presumably since they are cost centres and add additional tech support
load. They are also competing with lots of "wires only" style deals.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they suddenly
give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can
choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with
[email protected] email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP provided email address.

+1

I got my [email protected] address back in 1997. And it's
still "live" with a few legacy services I never use.

My main one is now [email protected] - which is a clear signal to recruiters I can setup my own email.

Annoyingly I set SWMBO up with [email protected] which means
her iPad has to rely on Outlook and MS "focussing" of inboxes and it's
rather idiosyncratic spam filters.

I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will
switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

It helps having a rather uncommon surname :)

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On 21/02/2025 10:25, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they suddenly
give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can >>> choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with
[email protected] email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP
provided email address.

+1

I got my [email protected] address back in 1997. And it's
still "live" with a few legacy services I never use.

My main one is now [email protected] - which is a clear signal to recruiters I can setup my own email.

Annoyingly I set SWMBO up with [email protected] which means
her iPad has to rely on Outlook and MS "focussing" of inboxes and it's
rather idiosyncratic spam filters.

I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will
switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

It helps having a rather uncommon surname :)

what happens when that provider is taken over by the accountants
and your email facility goes phut ?

Are you serious about using hotmail ??. I suspect more hotmail
users have been successfully targetted by spammers then any
other email provider.

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On 21/02/2025 11:54, Andrew wrote:

Are you serious about using hotmail ??. I suspect more hotmail
users have been successfully targetted by spammers then any
other email provider.

Surely that has to be google mail

--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:54:52 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Are you serious about using hotmail ??. I suspect more hotmail users
have been successfully targetted by spammers then any other email
provider.

If you read my post, I said I've deprecated that.

To be fair, MS have got quite good at spam filtering. Perhaps a bit too
good. Hence my plan to move SWMBO away from them.

Doesn't cost anything to keep the hotmail addresses. And it prevents
anyone spoofing me too.

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On 21/02/2025 11:54, Andrew wrote:

On 21/02/2025 10:25, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

what happens when that provider is taken over by the accountants
and your email facility goes phut ?

Are you serious about using hotmail ??. I suspect more hotmail
users have been successfully targetted by spammers then any
other email provider.

Of course. For a time there were many more HOTMAIL users than any other
e-mail provider, so of course more were spammed. In addition many used
their hotmail address as a disposal address, so when addresses leaked
due to web sites being hacked, more were hotmail addresses but I don't
believe hotmail addresses are any more susceptible to spam than any
other domain..

.. of course, for a while yes hotmail was apparently a source of spam,
but in reality the "from" addresses were forged.

Dave

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On 21/02/2025 13:21, Chris Green wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

On 21/02/2025 10:25, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 +0000, Tim+ wrote:


I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will
switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

It helps having a rather uncommon surname :)

what happens when that provider is taken over by the accountants
and your email facility goes phut ?

You move the domain somewhere else surely. That's the whole advantage
of it being your own domaain. If you want secure storage of E-mails (archoved or simply in the IMAP server) then arrange to back them up somewhere else as well as where your domain is currently registered.

That's the whole point. The vast majority of people simply can't do
that. For them a tablet/pc and broadband is a black-box installation
and your paragraph immediately above would be double-dutch to them.

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Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

On 21/02/2025 10:25, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

It helps having a rather uncommon surname :)

what happens when that provider is taken over by the accountants
and your email facility goes phut ?

You move the domain somewhere else surely. That's the whole advantage
of it being your own domaain. If you want secure storage of E-mails
(archoved or simply in the IMAP server) then arrange to back them up
somewhere else as well as where your domain is currently registered.

--
Chris Green
·

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:54:52 +0000
Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

Are you serious about using hotmail ??. I suspect more hotmail
users have been successfully targetted by spammers then any
other email provider.

Probably, though that only matters if you use it as a main address. I
have an early Hotmail, one with no numbers after my name, but it's only
there for emergencies. There was spam in it within half an hour of
setting it up, so guess who sold the address.

It's not all that great for some emergencies, either. I got into DNS
trouble in changing ownership of a domain, killing the MX entry for it
and two other domains. I tried emailing my domain host through the
Hotmail address, but since the email had to contain nasty suspicious
network terms, MS not only dumped it but stopped the address for 24
hours. Really useful.

--
Joe

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On 21/02/2025 14:05, Andrew wrote:

On 21/02/2025 13:21, Chris Green wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

On 21/02/2025 10:25, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 +0000, Tim+ wrote:


I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will
switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

It helps having a rather uncommon surname :)

what happens when that provider is taken over by the accountants
and your email facility goes phut ?

You move the domain somewhere else surely.  That's the whole advantage
of it being your own domaain.  If you want secure storage of E-mails
(archoved or simply in the IMAP server) then arrange to back them up
somewhere else as well as where your domain is currently registered.

That's the whole point. The vast majority of people simply can't do
that. For them a tablet/pc and broadband is a black-box installation
and your paragraph immediately above would be double-dutch to them.

Well. Single Dutch at least:-)

One day I'll be looking for help to move my uk.com away from Namesco!
Costs are getting silly.

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Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

On 21/02/2025 13:21, Chris Green wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

On 21/02/2025 10:25, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:37:22 +0000, Tim+ wrote:


I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will
switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

It helps having a rather uncommon surname :)

what happens when that provider is taken over by the accountants
and your email facility goes phut ?

You move the domain somewhere else surely. That's the whole advantage
of it being your own domaain. If you want secure storage of E-mails (archoved or simply in the IMAP server) then arrange to back them up somewhere else as well as where your domain is currently registered.

That's the whole point. The vast majority of people simply can't do
that. For them a tablet/pc and broadband is a black-box installation
and your paragraph immediately above would be double-dutch to them.

But the "what happens when that ..." I was replying to was
specifically about someone who **had** got their own domain.

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Chris Green
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On 20/02/2025 19:56, David wrote:

On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 00:33:06 +0000, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 19/02/2025 22:10, NY wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:49, Andrew wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an
ISP provided email address.

Because for those that do, which I suspect is quite a few, it is the
easiest original plug'n'play solution. Extricating and trying to
update everyone who uses it to contact you is not without errors and
omissions.

Once you no longer have access to the original email it is nigh on
impossible to change it.

Back when I joined the internet, with Virgin, the likes of Gmail and
other free email providers did not exist. When I left Virgin and joined
Plusnet, my Virgin account remained active and I could receive emails
on it for a couple of decades. But I knew it was doomed and would die
one day when they realised that I was no longer dialling in (remember
dial- up internet?) and didn't have an ADSL account with them.

Sadly when they eventually pulled the plug on it, they didn't give me
any warning. I had to work out who I'd given the email to, by looking
back over saved emails, and which companies I'd used it as a user ID.

I had an [email protected] email address for quite a while, but then
moved to a different ISP in 2003.
That BT email address carried on working until last year, when they
finally pulled the plug.

I made a point of backing up all those emails, so I haven't lost
anything.

I pay BT each month for the use of my old email addresses.
Hopefully that facility will remain.

Pay? Pay!?!
<poster has a fit of the vapours and reaches for the Sal volatile>


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Sam Plusnet

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On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they
suddenly give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can
choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with [email protected]
email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP provided email address.

Yes, I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years. For
the last 10 years, I had the replacement running, but I kept the Demon
one until Vodafone (who owned it by then) closed it down.

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Andrew Gabriel

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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 22:22:57 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

On 19/02/2025 21:37, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdPWvXDcnk

This is ambiguous. Is is voluntary (for now) and will they suddenly
give everyone an ultimatum, "move or else" ?.

The www.bt.com/ee page doesn't seem to help -

"You don’t have to switch to EE until you’re ready. For now, you can >>> choose to stay on BT, but we recommend moving to EE to get the best
experience from us."

This is going to really piss-off a lot of people with
[email protected] email addresses !

Andrew

I struggle to feel sorry for anyone who has become dependant on an ISP
provided email address.

Yes, I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years. For
the last 10 years, I had the replacement running, but I kept the Demon
one until Vodafone (who owned it by then) closed it down.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.



--
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wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message.
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
*lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor

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On 23/02/2025 11:50, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet, but
almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

I don't believe I ever used my real name on Usenet since I had control
of the computer I used to compose it.

The email from the sysadmin warning me that the amount of time I was
wittering on the alt* was getting too much to ignore made me acutely
aware of the total lack of privacy.

I am not hard to track down if anybody cares that much, but random
stalkers and other maniacs are not that clever.


--
"If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

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Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet, but
almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

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Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet, but
almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

I've used the same E-Mail address on Usenet for many, many years.
It's a valid, functioning address. I've never received much junk (or
other) messages on it, I get maybe one a week at present. It's useful
though to be able to say to people on Usenet that they can simply send
me E-Mail using that address.

--
Chris Green
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On 23/02/2025 in message <vpf3ad$g8nk$[email protected]> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

I don't believe I ever used my real name on Usenet since I had control of
the computer I used to compose it.

Interesting. With Demon we used to get dire warnings from Malcolm that if
we didn't use a valid email address we would be dumped by Demon :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do or
say nothing. (Edmund Burke)

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On 23/02/2025 15:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:

On 23/02/2025 in message <vpf3ad$g8nk$[email protected]> The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I don't believe I ever used my real name on Usenet since I had control
of the computer I used to  compose it.

Interesting. With Demon we used to get dire warnings from Malcolm that
if we didn't use a valid email address we would be dumped by Demon :-)

:-) I have retained the treble 6 allocated by Namesco following the
demise of Demon.
Spam seems to have gone elsewhere anyway. I wonder if anyone tries the
address on this post:-)


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On 23/02/2025 15:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:

On 23/02/2025 in message <vpf3ad$g8nk$[email protected]> The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I don't believe I ever used my real name on Usenet since I had control
of the computer I used to  compose it.

Interesting. With Demon we used to get dire warnings from Malcolm that
if we didn't use a valid email address we would be dumped by Demon :-)

Well where are Demon now eh? I never used cliffs shaky service. And he
never even thanked me for porting POP3 to to SCO linux

Juts another carpetbagger.

--
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

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In article <vpfu10$kt1d$[email protected]>,
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 23/02/2025 15:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:

On 23/02/2025 in message <vpf3ad$g8nk$[email protected]> The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I don't believe I ever used my real name on Usenet since I had control
of the computer I used to compose it.

Interesting. With Demon we used to get dire warnings from Malcolm that
if we didn't use a valid email address we would be dumped by Demon :-)

Well where are Demon now eh?

sold out to Vodaphone, I expect the owner made lots of money

I never used cliffs shaky service. And he
never even thanked me for porting POP3 to to SCO linux

Juts another carpetbagger.

-

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t�
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 10:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<[email protected]> wrote:

I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will
switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

Are you merely email forwarding or are you paying for a full email
server?

If the latter, who with and at what cost?


--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:14:18 +0000, AnthonyL wrote:

On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 10:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

I recently acquired "the<lastnames>.com" which means over time I will >>switch us both to [email protected] and [email protected]

Are you merely email forwarding or are you paying for a full email
server?

If the latter, who with and at what cost?

At the moment it suits me to use Zoho for "free".

However on the back of getting the extra domain, and rather irked by Zohos insistence on *their* 2FA app, I am as we speak looking at setting up a Nextcloud instance on my home server. Which is already backed up to a
cloud storage solution.

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On 23/02/2025 21:00, charles wrote:

In article <vpfu10$kt1d$[email protected]>,
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 23/02/2025 15:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:

On 23/02/2025 in message <vpf3ad$g8nk$[email protected]> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

I don't believe I ever used my real name on Usenet since I had control >>>> of the computer I used to compose it.

Interesting. With Demon we used to get dire warnings from Malcolm that
if we didn't use a valid email address we would be dumped by Demon :-)

Well where are Demon now eh?

sold out to Vodaphone, I expect the owner made lots of money

Cliff Stanford sold Demon Internet to Thus for £66M, of which he got £33M.

Vodafone was a few more buyers later on.

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Andrew Gabriel

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On 23/02/2025 11:50, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet, but
almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

Perhaps spammers have lost the "skill" of scraping usenet for email
addresses. (perhaps because it is now to old or moribund!)

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 12:56:41 +0000
John Rumm <[email protected]> wrote:

On 23/02/2025 11:50, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet, but
almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

Perhaps spammers have lost the "skill" of scraping usenet for email addresses. (perhaps because it is now to old or moribund!)

Anyone remember SWEN?

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Joe

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On 2/25/2025 4:06 PM, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 12:56:41 +0000
John Rumm <[email protected]> wrote:

On 23/02/2025 11:50, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet, but
almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

Perhaps spammers have lost the "skill" of scraping usenet for email
addresses. (perhaps because it is now to old or moribund!)

Anyone remember SWEN?

Hard to forget! Thousands upon thousands of emails.
That's when I decided not to ever use my real address on usenet...

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:46:47 +0000
S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2/25/2025 4:06 PM, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 12:56:41 +0000
John Rumm <[email protected]> wrote:

On 23/02/2025 11:50, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet,
but almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

Perhaps spammers have lost the "skill" of scraping usenet for email
addresses. (perhaps because it is now to old or moribund!)

Anyone remember SWEN?

Hard to forget! Thousands upon thousands of emails.
That's when I decided not to ever use my real address on usenet...

I was on dialup with Demon at the time, and the things were over 100K
each and arriving at Demon faster than I could download them. I had to
find out how to use the wretched webmail to go in and delete blocks of
them.

<aus> You call that spam? *This* is spam. </aus>

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Joe

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On 25/02/2025 17:12, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:46:47 +0000
S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2/25/2025 4:06 PM, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 12:56:41 +0000
John Rumm <[email protected]> wrote:

On 23/02/2025 11:50, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet,
but almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

Perhaps spammers have lost the "skill" of scraping usenet for email
addresses. (perhaps because it is now to old or moribund!)

Anyone remember SWEN?

Hard to forget! Thousands upon thousands of emails.
That's when I decided not to ever use my real address on usenet...

I was on dialup with Demon at the time, and the things were over 100K
each and arriving at Demon faster than I could download them. I had to
find out how to use the wretched webmail to go in and delete blocks of
them.

You could (back in the day when most mail servers did not insist on
secure connections!) also telnet into the pop3 server and interact with
it manually :

telnet pop3.myisp.net 110
user myaccount
pass mypass

Get a list of the messages waiting by using the LIST command:-

list

You should see a list of message numbers and the size of each (in bytes) displayed. You can now use the TOP command to display the first part of
any of the messages. E.g.:-

top 1 10

The first number after "top" indicates the message number to display
(from the list), the second number indicates how much of the message to
display - 10 to 20 is usually fine to see enough of the message for you
to decide what you want to do with it.

Once you have identified a message that you want to delete you can issue
the DELE command to remove it.

dele 1

Finally when you have deleted all the messages you want to, you can
issue the QUIT command to disconnect from the mail server.

quit



--
Cheers,

John.

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:43:13 +0000, John Rumm
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 25/02/2025 17:12, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:46:47 +0000
S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2/25/2025 4:06 PM, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 12:56:41 +0000
John Rumm <[email protected]> wrote:

On 23/02/2025 11:50, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I had my cucumber.demon.co.uk email address for over 25 years.

But it survives on your USENET posts! Probably a smart move.

I still get spam to email addresses I used years ago on usenet,
but almost none to the email address I use on usenet now.

Perhaps spammers have lost the "skill" of scraping usenet for email
addresses. (perhaps because it is now to old or moribund!)

Anyone remember SWEN?

Hard to forget! Thousands upon thousands of emails.
That's when I decided not to ever use my real address on usenet...

I was on dialup with Demon at the time, and the things were over 100K
each and arriving at Demon faster than I could download them. I had to
find out how to use the wretched webmail to go in and delete blocks of
them.

You could (back in the day when most mail servers did not insist on
secure connections!) also telnet into the pop3 server and interact with
it manually :

telnet pop3.myisp.net 110
user myaccount
pass mypass

And you could, perhaps a bit earlier, use any/choice of SMTP server,
and later on locked on to whomever you had dialled into.

I recall a utility that allowed me to switch SMTP when on my travels
to my choice that were in my configured list. Handy when travelling
around.

Hard to believe such naivety amongst IT professionals. Along with
WiFi Passwords sent in the clear and default, if any, security on
different brands of routers.


--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On 25 Feb 2025 at 19:21:04 GMT, "AnthonyL" <AnthonyL> wrote:

Hard to believe such naivety amongst IT professionals. Along with
WiFi Passwords sent in the clear and default, if any, security on
different brands of routers.

Richard Feynman described his experience while working on the Manhattan
Project during WW2. He had a safecracking hobby, using all the techniques such as shoulder-surfing, people's DoB, or some digits of e or π if the mark was a mathematician. But also he recounted visiting the top generals' offices, and their boastings about having the safest and most uncrackable safes in the country. But Feynman knew that they very often left the safe set with the factory code, of which there were perhaps two or three variants for each manufacturer, but Feyman knew them all.

--
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

HL Mencken

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