On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as soon
as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

Tim

How do you know it was delayed in collection and not delayed before it
was available?

You need to <view source> and look at the headers

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as soon
as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

Tim

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On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as soon
as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 26/01/2025 00:22, John Rumm wrote:

On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7 box
(using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.




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Timatmarford wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

The first empty line marks the end of the headers and the start of the
message, I doubt the website would object if you just pasted
*everything* but you might object if it's confidential.

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On 26/01/2025 10:25, Andy Burns wrote:

Timatmarford wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

The first empty line marks the end of the headers and the start of the message, I doubt the website would object if you just pasted
*everything* but you might object if it's confidential.

OK Andy. I'll have a go when the forecast rain gets here!
Tim

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On 26 Jan 2025 at 10:21:56 GMT, "Timatmarford" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

Thass right. Copy/paste all of it into that website. It works nicely.

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On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000
Timatmarford <[email protected]> wrote:

On 26/01/2025 00:22, John Rumm wrote:

On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7
box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail, went
very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a whole
bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I checked
via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between gmail and me,
it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the azurewebsites
site and see what it can tell me.

--
Davey.

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On 26/01/2025 10:21, Timatmarford wrote:

On 26/01/2025 00:22, John Rumm wrote:

On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

Everything from the top down to the line above the first line of the
email that you recognise.

I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7 box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

If the older machine is configured to download and delete messages using
POP3 then you might get a case where a message is found on that which
never turns up on the other one. Although that would not explain late
delivery on the other machine.


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 26/01/2025 12:54, Davey wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000
Timatmarford <[email protected]> wrote:

On 26/01/2025 00:22, John Rumm wrote:

On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7
box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail, went
very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a whole
bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I checked
via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between gmail and me,
it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the azurewebsites
site and see what it can tell me.

I note that if you setup gmail to import messages from an external IMAP
or POP3 mail server, then it only polls the external account every 70
mins or so.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 13:33:51 +0000
John Rumm <[email protected]> wrote:

On 26/01/2025 12:54, Davey wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000
Timatmarford <[email protected]> wrote:

On 26/01/2025 00:22, John Rumm wrote:

On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues
without learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it
as soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail
anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my
W7 box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail,
went very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a
whole bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I
checked via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between
gmail and me, it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the
azurewebsites site and see what it can tell me.

I note that if you setup gmail to import messages from an external
IMAP or POP3 mail server, then it only polls the external account
every 70 mins or so.

I only use Gmail via IMAP, so that should be irrelevant for my
e-mail.

--
Davey.

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On 26/01/2025 00:22, John Rumm wrote:

On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hm. AZURE tells me it was delivered in 15 seconds.

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!


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Timatmarford wrote:

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

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On 26/01/2025 14:10, Davey wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 13:33:51 +0000
John Rumm <[email protected]> wrote:

On 26/01/2025 12:54, Davey wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000
Timatmarford <[email protected]> wrote:

On 26/01/2025 00:22, John Rumm wrote:

On 25/01/2025 20:18, Timatmarford wrote:

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues
without learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it
as soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail
anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my
W7 box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail,
went very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a
whole bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I
checked via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between
gmail and me, it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the
azurewebsites site and see what it can tell me.

I note that if you setup gmail to import messages from an external
IMAP or POP3 mail server, then it only polls the external account
every 70 mins or so.

I only use Gmail via IMAP, so that should be irrelevant for my
e-mail.

Indeed - important to differentiate between accessing a gmail account
using local IMAP/POP3 software, and having gmail access a mailbox using
the same protocols. You can do one, the other, or both should you want.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 26/01/2025 15:31, Andy Burns wrote:

Timatmarford wrote:

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

Progress.. I think.

I allowed the T'Bird upgrade and now find the download button appears to function.
3 Mails from Amazon posted yesterday evening and 1 early this morning.
Not delivered at switch on but arrived immediately after poking the
cloud button!

I'll see how it goes..

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Le 26/01/2025 à 10:21, Timatmarford a écrit :

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

You don't understand the basics of email and claim that an email client
"delays email". Jesus!

--
Ottavio Caruso

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On 27/01/2025 14:18, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

Le 26/01/2025 à 10:21, Timatmarford a écrit :

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

You don't understand the basics of email and claim that an email client "delays email". Jesus!

Ah. You have spotted the difference between someone who simply wants to
make use of a service with someone who relishes understanding what makes
it work.


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On 27/01/2025 10:18, Timatmarford wrote:

On 26/01/2025 15:31, Andy Burns wrote:

Timatmarford wrote:

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

Progress.. I think.

I allowed the T'Bird upgrade and now find the download button appears to function.
3 Mails from Amazon posted yesterday evening and 1 early this morning.
Not delivered at switch on but arrived immediately after poking the
cloud button!

I'll see how it goes..

If you look at the account settings page, then "server settings" there
is usually a checkbox for "check for new messages at startup". That is
normally on by default - might be worth checking it is not off on yours.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 28/01/2025 09:02, John Rumm wrote:

On 27/01/2025 10:18, Timatmarford wrote:

On 26/01/2025 15:31, Andy Burns wrote:

Timatmarford wrote:

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

Progress.. I think.

I allowed the T'Bird upgrade and now find the download button appears
to function.
3 Mails from Amazon posted yesterday evening and 1 early this morning.
Not delivered at switch on but arrived immediately after poking the
cloud button!

I'll see how it goes..

If you look at the account settings page, then "server settings" there
is usually a checkbox for "check for new messages at startup". That is normally on by default - might be worth checking it is not off on yours.

Eureka! Thanks John. Rather obvious now you point it out!


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On 28/01/2025 09:41, Timatmarford wrote:

On 28/01/2025 09:02, John Rumm wrote:

On 27/01/2025 10:18, Timatmarford wrote:

On 26/01/2025 15:31, Andy Burns wrote:

Timatmarford wrote:

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

Progress.. I think.

I allowed the T'Bird upgrade and now find the download button appears
to function.
3 Mails from Amazon posted yesterday evening and 1 early this
morning. Not delivered at switch on but arrived immediately after
poking the cloud button!

I'll see how it goes..

If you look at the account settings page, then "server settings" there
is usually a checkbox for "check for new messages at startup". That is
normally on by default - might be worth checking it is not off on yours.

Eureka! Thanks John. Rather obvious now you point it out!

Oops! Hold the front page.

I ticked the box and re-started T Bird. No mails. As a check I had a
look with Web Mail. 2 waiting mails. One from Amazon at Midnight and one
from my daughter about an hour ago. While I was writing this, they both
came in...

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On 28/01/2025 09:54, Timatmarford wrote:

On 28/01/2025 09:41, Timatmarford wrote:

On 28/01/2025 09:02, John Rumm wrote:

On 27/01/2025 10:18, Timatmarford wrote:

On 26/01/2025 15:31, Andy Burns wrote:

Timatmarford wrote:

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

Progress.. I think.

I allowed the T'Bird upgrade and now find the download button
appears to function.
3 Mails from Amazon posted yesterday evening and 1 early this
morning. Not delivered at switch on but arrived immediately after
poking the cloud button!

I'll see how it goes..

If you look at the account settings page, then "server settings"
there is usually a checkbox for "check for new messages at startup".
That is normally on by default - might be worth checking it is not
off on yours.

Eureka! Thanks John. Rather obvious now you point it out!

Oops! Hold the front page.

I ticked the box and re-started T Bird. No mails. As a check I had a
look with Web Mail. 2 waiting mails. One from Amazon at Midnight and one
from my daughter about an hour ago. While I was writing this, they both
came in...

There is another box near to it, about how often it polls the server -
check that is set to 5 mins or similar.

(often not needed - most IMAP servers do a push notification - but some
wait to be asked)

--
Cheers,

John.

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