See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
Your skewed right-wing agenda is a joke.
TW
On 17/01/2025 17:40, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
Your skewed right-wing agenda is a joke.
Yes, petrol can be a problem. The morning after the Buncefield
explosion I was easily able to see the plume of smoke from a
location 35 miles south of Buncefield.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buncefield_fire
John
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Isn't the California fire service quite busy elsewhere?
On 2025-01-17 17:40, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
Your skewed right-wing agenda is a joke.
I was so nearly blown to bits by the Buncefield explosion. The building
where I worked was all but demolished. If it hadn't been early on a
Sunday morning...
Who would store 250 million litres of petrol/diesel/kerosene in
above-ground tanks in an industrial area?
They left that to burn itself out eventually.
On 17 Jan 2025 at 18:23:09 GMT, "nib" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-17 17:40, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
Petrol fires can be put out with foam - as we saw at Buncefield. How do we put
out lithium battery fires?
Your skewed right-wing agenda is a joke.
Try not to be a complete twerp. And skewed in what way? That we can't put out petrol fires? And that sorting out lithium battery fires is a doddle? Do tell - I'm keen to know.
I was so nearly blown to bits by the Buncefield explosion. The building
where I worked was all but demolished. If it hadn't been early on a
Sunday morning...
Who would store 250 million litres of petrol/diesel/kerosene in
above-ground tanks in an industrial area?
They left that to burn itself out eventually.
No, they extinguished it with foam. Afterwards, one of the damaged tanks caught fire again, and that was the one they left to burn out.
You could have discovered that for yourself, but perhaps you couldn't be arsed.
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Isn't the California fire service quite busy elsewhere?
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
Your skewed right-wing agenda is a joke.
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
On 2025-01-17 19:07, Tim Streater wrote:
On 17 Jan 2025 at 18:23:09 GMT, "nib" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-17 17:40, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
Petrol fires can be put out with foam - as we saw at Buncefield. How do we put
out lithium battery fires?
Your skewed right-wing agenda is a joke.
Try not to be a complete twerp. And skewed in what way? That we can't put out
petrol fires? And that sorting out lithium battery fires is a doddle? Do tell
- I'm keen to know.
I was so nearly blown to bits by the Buncefield explosion. The building
where I worked was all but demolished. If it hadn't been early on a
Sunday morning...
Who would store 250 million litres of petrol/diesel/kerosene in
above-ground tanks in an industrial area?
They left that to burn itself out eventually.
No, they extinguished it with foam. Afterwards, one of the damaged tanks
caught fire again, and that was the one they left to burn out.
You could have discovered that for yourself, but perhaps you couldn't be
arsed.
No, I know that. It's a bit personal, as you might realise. I read all
of the reports. They didn't put all the fire out with foam, part of it re-started, and they had to balance the effect of the fire with the
ground pollution of the chemicals. It also took them several days to extinguish what they did.
Had it been in work time there would have been hundreds dead. My desk
was crushed under wreckage.
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside &
got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
You could have discovered that for yourself, but perhaps you couldn't be arsed.
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside &
got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
On 17/01/2025 08:30 PM, charles wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside & got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
What was burning?
A part of the car (wiring, for instance), or the fuel?
On 17/01/2025 08:30 PM, charles wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started
appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside &
got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
What was burning?
A part of the car (wiring, for instance), or the fuel?
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside &
got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 08:30 PM, charles wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no
joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering
the number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch
fire in over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have
you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started
appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the
roadside &
got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
What was burning?
A part of the car (wiring, for instance), or the fuel?
When I got there, there were flames coming out from the bonnet, so, I
suspect fuel. At a guess, a leaky feed to the carb dropped fuel onto the exhaust.
On 18/01/2025 15:58, JNugent wrote:
On 17/01/2025 08:30 PM, charles wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See: <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o> and they are >>>>> not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering
the number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch
fire in over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have
you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started
appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside
& got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
What was burning?
A part of the car (wiring, for instance), or the fuel?
Generally its wiring that starts fires. I had a car that used to boil
petrol out of its carbs onto a hot exhaust manifold after a hot run.
Never caught fire.
But one spark would have been enough
Its rare for cars to catch fire. Unless they have lithium batteries in
them
In article <vmgk7j$sghe$[email protected]>, The Natural Philosopher
Its rare for cars to catch fire. Unless they have lithium batteries in
them
45 years ago, there weren't lithium batteries
On 18/01/2025 15:58, JNugent wrote:
On 17/01/2025 08:30 PM, charles wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke. >>>>>
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which >>>> are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number >>>> of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started
appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside & >>> got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
What was burning?
A part of the car (wiring, for instance), or the fuel?
Generally its wiring that starts fires.
I had a car that used to boil petrol out of its carbs onto a hot exhaust manifold after a hot run. Never caught fire.
But one spark would have been enough
Its rare for cars to catch fire. Unless they have lithium batteries in them
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 08:30 PM, charles wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke. >>>>>
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which >>>> are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number >>>> of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started
appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside & >>> got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
What was burning?
A part of the car (wiring, for instance), or the fuel?
When I got there, there were flames coming out from the bonnet, so, I
suspect fuel. At a guess, a leaky feed to the carb dropped fuel onto the exhaust.
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the
number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in
over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
I've never had one catch fire, but I have been present (twice), when
other people's cars have set on fire - both were caught immediately and extinguished. I have also seen a number of burning vehicles on motorways.
However, figures from Norway (which has a much higher percentage of EVs
than most countries) seem to show ICE cars setting on fire more than 25
times as often as EVs (adjusted for relative numbers).
In article <vmgk7j$sghe$[email protected]>, The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 18/01/2025 15:58, JNugent wrote:
On 17/01/2025 08:30 PM, charles wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 05:40 pm, TimW wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:35, Tim Streater wrote:
See: <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o> and they are >>>>>>> not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
Whereas petrol - no problem at all with fires.
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering
the number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch
fire in over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have >>>>> you?
yes, My wife was driving with our two young daughters. Smoke started
appearing from under the bonnnet (hood|?). She stopped at the roadside >>>> & got the girls out just in time. about 45 years ago.
What was burning?
A part of the car (wiring, for instance), or the fuel?
Generally its wiring that starts fires. I had a car that used to boil
petrol out of its carbs onto a hot exhaust manifold after a hot run.
Never caught fire.
But one spark would have been enough
Its rare for cars to catch fire. Unless they have lithium batteries in
them
45 years ago, there weren't lithium batteries
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars which
are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the number
of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in over
fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the
number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in
over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the puzzled
look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled left,
finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and the
smoke started to come out of the grill!
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the
number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in
over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the puzzled
look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled left,
finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and the
smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the
years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a
pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:One morning, when turning the ignition key in my Mk2 Cortina, lots of
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the >>>> number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in >>>> over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the puzzled
look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled left,
finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and the
smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the
years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a
pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the bonnet. I immediately
bailed out sharpish. The culprit was the capacitor in the distributor,
and it had gone (presumably partially) short circuit.
My parents (in their mid-70s) were happily pottering along in their Mk2 Escort when it suddenly burst into flames. It ended up as a totally
burnt-out shell, and they were lucky to escape injury (or worse). The
cause was never found.
On 20/01/2025 09:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:One morning, when turning the ignition key in my Mk2 Cortina, lots of
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the >>>>> number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in >>>>> over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the puzzled >>>> look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled left,
finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and the >>>> smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the
years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a
pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the bonnet. I immediately
bailed out sharpish. The culprit was the capacitor in the distributor,
and it had gone (presumably partially) short circuit.
My parents (in their mid-70s) were happily pottering along in their Mk2
Escort when it suddenly burst into flames. It ended up as a totally
burnt-out shell, and they were lucky to escape injury (or worse). The
cause was never found.
When you say "it suddenly burst into flames", the central point of the >conflagration must have been apparent.
Was it, as one might expect, the engine compartment?
On 20/01/2025 09:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:One morning, when turning the ignition key in my Mk2 Cortina, lots of
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering the >>>>> number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch fire in >>>>> over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the puzzled >>>> look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled left,
finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and the >>>> smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the
years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a
pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the bonnet. I immediately
bailed out sharpish. The culprit was the capacitor in the distributor,
and it had gone (presumably partially) short circuit.
My parents (in their mid-70s) were happily pottering along in their Mk2
Escort when it suddenly burst into flames. It ended up as a totally
burnt-out shell, and they were lucky to escape injury (or worse). The
cause was never found.
When you say "it suddenly burst into flames", the central point of the conflagration must have been apparent.
Was it, as one might expect, the engine compartment?
On Fri, 1/17/2025 10:35 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
See:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce855z6z1d5o>
and they are not tackling the fire. These battery fires are no joke.
JNugent <[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 09:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering >>>>>> the number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch >>>>>> fire in over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know.
Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the
puzzled look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled >>>>> left, finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and the >>>>> smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the
years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a
pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
One morning, when turning the ignition key in my Mk2 Cortina, lots of
white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the bonnet. I immediately
bailed out sharpish. The culprit was the capacitor in the distributor,
and it had gone (presumably partially) short circuit.
My parents (in their mid-70s) were happily pottering along in their Mk2
Escort when it suddenly burst into flames. It ended up as a totally
burnt-out shell, and they were lucky to escape injury (or worse). The
cause was never found.
When you say "it suddenly burst into flames", the central point of the
conflagration must have been apparent.
Was it, as one might expect, the engine compartment?
Probably - but I expect they didn't hang around to analyse the precise
cause. And as it was 350 miles away, and some 40 years ago, they are no longer in a position to supply further information.
On 21/01/2025 12:29, JNugent wrote:
On 20/01/2025 09:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:One morning, when turning the ignition key in my Mk2 Cortina, lots of
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars
which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering >>>>>> the
number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch
fire in
over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the
puzzled
look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled left,
finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and the >>>>> smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the
years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a
pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the bonnet. I immediately
bailed out sharpish. The culprit was the capacitor in the distributor,
and it had gone (presumably partially) short circuit.
My parents (in their mid-70s) were happily pottering along in their Mk2
Escort when it suddenly burst into flames. It ended up as a totally
burnt-out shell, and they were lucky to escape injury (or worse). The
cause was never found.
When you say "it suddenly burst into flames", the central point of the
conflagration must have been apparent.
Was it, as one might expect, the engine compartment?
It probably was. In general that's where the high current unfused wires
are - going to the starter or alternator - and when they short its bad
bad news. Another well known insurance scam was to park the car miles
way and encourage the petrol feed to 'come off' the carb. "I was
driving along and suddenly - Woof! The fact that petrol vapour needs a
spark to ignite could be taken care of with a suitable 'loose connection'.
:-)
Very handy if your morris marina had big ends like a rattle snake, no
brakes and a failing clutch and had rusted through the shock towers...
On 21/01/2025 02:03 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 09:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars >>>>>>> which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering >>>>>>> the number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch >>>>>>> fire in over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know.
Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the
puzzled look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and signalled >>>>>> left, finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt, and >>>>>> the
smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the >>>>> years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a >>>>> pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
One morning, when turning the ignition key in my Mk2 Cortina, lots of
white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the bonnet. I immediately >>>> bailed out sharpish. The culprit was the capacitor in the distributor, >>>> and it had gone (presumably partially) short circuit.
My parents (in their mid-70s) were happily pottering along in their Mk2 >>>> Escort when it suddenly burst into flames. It ended up as a totally
burnt-out shell, and they were lucky to escape injury (or worse). The
cause was never found.
When you say "it suddenly burst into flames", the central point of the
conflagration must have been apparent.
Was it, as one might expect, the engine compartment?
Probably - but I expect they didn't hang around to analyse the precise
cause. And as it was 350 miles away, and some 40 years ago, they are no
longer in a position to supply further information.
OK. Fair enough.
My original question (first quoted para above), though, was whether
there had been a fire which was something to do with the fuel. And your answer, strictly, is an "I don't know"!
On 21/01/2025 15:13, JNugent wrote:
On 21/01/2025 02:03 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 09:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> writes
On 20/01/2025 04:55 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 17/01/2025 20:10, JNugent wrote:
I woud suggest that fires in petrol (and still less, diesel) cars >>>>>>>> which are something to do with the fuel are quite rare considering >>>>>>>> the number of such vehicles in use. I've never had a vehicle catch >>>>>>>> fire in over fifty years of driving. Neither has anyone I know. >>>>>>>> Have you?
I was following someone down the motorway once. I could see the
puzzled look on his face as I flashed my lights at him, and
signalled
left, finally persuading him to pull onto the hard shoulder.
I could also see the puzzled look vanish as he came to a halt,
and the
smoke started to come out of the grill!
:-)
Don't get me wrong: I've *seen* a couple of vehicles on fire over the >>>>>> years, but it's never happened to me, other than for a burn-out of a >>>>>> pinched loom which was easily, if laboriously, repaired.
One morning, when turning the ignition key in my Mk2 Cortina, lots of >>>>> white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the bonnet. I immediately >>>>> bailed out sharpish. The culprit was the capacitor in the distributor, >>>>> and it had gone (presumably partially) short circuit.
My parents (in their mid-70s) were happily pottering along in their
Mk2
Escort when it suddenly burst into flames. It ended up as a totally
burnt-out shell, and they were lucky to escape injury (or worse). The >>>>> cause was never found.
When you say "it suddenly burst into flames", the central point of the >>>> conflagration must have been apparent.
Was it, as one might expect, the engine compartment?
Probably - but I expect they didn't hang around to analyse the precise
cause. And as it was 350 miles away, and some 40 years ago, they are no
longer in a position to supply further information.
OK. Fair enough.
My original question (first quoted para above), though, was whether
there had been a fire which was something to do with the fuel. And
your answer, strictly, is an "I don't know"!
Most 'ohmigawd it's on fire' moments in car repairs have been electrical shorts.
I had raw petrol dripping on the exhaust manifold once as the heat
shield between them was missing..,It never caught fire.
Petrol is however once ignited a place you don't want to be
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They carry
more energy and cant be put out.
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They carry
more energy and cant be put out.
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not far more. Just a bit more
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Andy
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled to
near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
On 30/01/2025 04:55 PM, JNugent wrote:
"My car's computer tells me that the vehicle has more than
seven hundred miles range when the fuel tank is filled to near the top of the neck".
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
On Thu, 1/30/2025 2:48 PM, JNugent wrote:
On 30/01/2025 04:55 PM, JNugent wrote:
"My car's computer tells me that the vehicle has more than
seven hundred miles range when the fuel tank is filled to near the top of the neck".
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
Yes, there are.
Aluminum-air.
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/electric-car-aluminum-air-battery-can-go-distance/
No, I don't think that's practical. The only point of raising
that chemistry, is to use it as a "benchmark" for other chemistries
to match. Think of that one as a bar bet of sorts.
Paul
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled to
near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled to
near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled to
near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
How long can *you* drive without a recharge? Do you have an Xtra-Long-Range Bladder?
It's possible to build an EV with 700 miles range but it would be heavy, expensive and most people wouldn't use all of it, because they aren't physically capable of driving 700 miles in one go.
Production EVs are in the 400-500 mile territory. There are hyper-efficient EVs like Aptera (not actually in production) which claim 1000 miles, but that's more like a covered motorbike.
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled to
near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
How long can *you* drive without a recharge? Do you have an Xtra-Long-Range Bladder?
It's possible to build an EV with 700 miles range but it would be heavy, expensive and most people wouldn't use all of it, because they aren't physically capable of driving 700 miles in one go.
Production EVs are in the 400-500 mile territory. There are hyper-efficient EVs like Aptera (not actually in production) which claim 1000 miles, but that's more like a covered motorbike.
Theo
On 31/01/2025 12:19, Theo wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They >>>>> carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more
energy. A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical
battery, even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than
it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled to
near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
How long can *you* drive without a recharge? Do you have an Xtra-Long-Range Bladder?
It doesn't take 2 hours to take a piss
It's possible to build an EV with 700 miles range but it would be
heavy, expensive and most people wouldn't use all of it, because they aren't physically capable of driving 700 miles in one go.
Production EVs are in the 400-500 mile territory. There are hyper-efficient EVs like Aptera (not actually in production) which
claim 1000 miles, but that's more like a covered motorbike.
Theo
I think you will find that in real world conditions is an upper limit of
300 miles Which is only 5 hours.
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not far more. Just a bit more
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more energy.
A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical battery,
even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than it uses.
Andy
In article <vnihj7$3gsma$[email protected]>, The Natural Philosopher ><[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31/01/2025 12:19, Theo wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:It doesn't take 2 hours to take a piss
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard. They
carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more
energy. A typical car tank will take the car further than a typical
battery, even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far more than
it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled to
near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
How long can *you* drive without a recharge? Do you have an
Xtra-Long-Range Bladder?
and it doesn't take that lenght of time to recharge unless you've done >something silly. 3 hours driving , coffee stop and recharge at same time
It's possible to build an EV with 700 miles range but it would be
heavy, expensive and most people wouldn't use all of it, because they
aren't physically capable of driving 700 miles in one go.
Production EVs are in the 400-500 mile territory. There are
hyper-efficient EVs like Aptera (not actually in production) which
claim 1000 miles, but that's more like a covered motorbike.
Theo
I think you will find that in real world conditions is an upper limit of
300 miles Which is only 5 hours.
Some 18 months ago, I was charging my 300 mile range Enyaq and was taling
to the owner of a Mercedes who reckoned he had a 700 mile range. Merseyside >to Inverness & back.
In message <[email protected]>, charles <[email protected]> writes
In article <vnihj7$3gsma$[email protected]>, The Natural Philosopher ><[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31/01/2025 12:19, Theo wrote:
JNugent <[email protected]> wrote:It doesn't take 2 hours to take a piss
On 29/01/2025 09:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/01/2025 16:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 22/01/2025 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I still think that Li-Ion batteries are a far greater hazard.
They carry more energy and cant be put out.
I agree with the hard to put out, but I'm not sure about more
energy. A typical car tank will take the car further than a
typical battery, even though a petrol or diesel engine wastes far
more than it uses.
Not far more. Just a bit more
The computer on my car tells me I have 700+ miles range when filled
to near the top of the neck.
Are there any batteries which could go that far without a recharge?
How long can *you* drive without a recharge? Do you have an
Xtra-Long-Range Bladder?
and it doesn't take that lenght of time to recharge unless you've done >something silly. 3 hours driving , coffee stop and recharge at same time
It's possible to build an EV with 700 miles range but it would be
heavy, expensive and most people wouldn't use all of it, because
they aren't physically capable of driving 700 miles in one go.
Production EVs are in the 400-500 mile territory. There are
hyper-efficient EVs like Aptera (not actually in production) which
claim 1000 miles, but that's more like a covered motorbike.
Theo
I think you will find that in real world conditions is an upper limit
of 300 miles Which is only 5 hours.
Some 18 months ago, I was charging my 300 mile range Enyaq and was
taling to the owner of a Mercedes who reckoned he had a 700 mile range. >Merseyside to Inverness & back.
In my younger days, to visit family etc I used to make the 350 mile
return journey between London and north-east England maybe four times
each year. Such a trip is essentially an all-day event, and apart from stopping the shortest time possible for a pee, a mouthful of drink and
bite of a sandwich (and if absolutely necessary, a quick fuel top-up, preferably not at an exorbitantly-priced motorway services) , the last
thing I ever wanted to do have to spend much time not driving.
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