Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window. >Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows,
plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window.
Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows,
plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
That's sometimes true with Windows apps, as well. It's not such a bad
thing, because you generally have sufficient RAM to handle it. I am
kind of anal about my computer, so I keep track of what's running, but nevertheless I understand the idea behind what you were referring to.
Good explanation [-]
FYI, some apps do.
For some apps it is optional,
with a checkbox for it in the Prefs,
In article <1q3c29q.1pvhmspw6xrnuN%[email protected]>, J. J.
Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
FYI, some apps do.
the way it's supposed to work is that apps with only one window remain running when closing its window since it does not make sense for it to
remain running, whereas apps that support multiple windows remain
running.
On 21/12/2022 20:14, Joel wrote:
David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window. >>> Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows,
plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
That's sometimes true with Windows apps, as well. It's not such a bad
thing, because you generally have sufficient RAM to handle it. I am
kind of anal about my computer, so I keep track of what's running, but
nevertheless I understand the idea behind what you were referring to.
Thank, Joel.
I've left Gary a note, here:- https://macmost.com/why-does-closing-windows-on-a-mac-not-quit-the-application.html#comment-113591
the way it's supposed to work is that apps with only one window remain running when closing its window since it does not make sense for it to remain running, whereas apps that support multiple windows remain
running.
So, it remains running because it does not make sense for it to remain running?
Huh?
You might want to try that one again. ?
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window. Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows,
plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
That is how Mac OS is designed.
To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program.
The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
To - "When switching from Windows to Mac many people wonder why Mac apps don't quit ..."
In article <[email protected]>, Bob
Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:
the way it's supposed to work is that apps with only one window remain
running when closing its window since it does not make sense for it to
remain running, whereas apps that support multiple windows remain
running.
So, it remains running because it does not make sense for it to remain
running?
Huh?
You might want to try that one again. ?
single window apps quit when closing the window because without that
one window, there's nothing for the app to do. examples: disk utility
and system preferences.
multi-window apps remain running when closing a window. example: a web browser.
On 12/21/22 12:06, David Brooks wrote:
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps don't >> quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window. Here's
how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows, plus lots of >> tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
Hi David,
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
That is how Mac OS is designed. To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there.
On 12/21/22 12:06, David Brooks wrote:
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the
window. Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing
windows, plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
Hi David,
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
That is how Mac OS is designed. To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program.
 The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
If I do not talk to you before them, you and yours
have a blessed and Merry Christmas!
Christ is with us!
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 12/21/22 12:06, David Brooks wrote:
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window. >>> Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows,
plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
Hi David,
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
That is how Mac OS is designed. To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there.
Or simply don't bother. Let the OS decide which apps to close or not. Less effort and training required.
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once
you've closed the windows.
On 12/21/22 12:06, David Brooks wrote:
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window.
Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows,
plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
Hi David,
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
That is how Mac OS is designed. To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there.
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
On 12/21/22 12:06, David Brooks wrote:
Good explanation from Gary, here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdnAgzRdbME
//When switching from Mac to Windows many people wonder why Mac apps
don't quit when you click the red close button at the top of the window. Here's how macOS and Windows differ when it comes to closing windows,
plus lots of tips and tricks how to handle windows and apps.//
Hi David,
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
That is how Mac OS is designed. To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program. The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
In article <to04la$14hfh$[email protected]>, <[email protected]d> wrote:
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
they don't need that.
That is how Mac OS is designed.
and for valid reasons. windows works a little differently.
To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program.
no, it's in the file menu.
the 'icon that look like your program' would be in the dock at the
bottom.
The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
actually it can, although it's a very bad idea.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <1q3c29q.1pvhmspw6xrnuN%[email protected]>, J. J.
Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
FYI, some apps do.
the way it's supposed to work is that apps with only one window remain
running when closing its window since it does not make sense for it to
remain running, whereas apps that support multiple windows remain
running.
So, it remains running because it does not make sense for it to remain running?
Huh?
You might want to try that one again. 🤣
the way it's supposed to work is that apps with only one window remain running when closing its window since it does not make sense for it to remain running, whereas apps that support multiple windows remain
running.
One of the visible effects is taking up space in the dock, yes/no.
Applets created by ABFR have something like it.
When creating the droplet there is a checkbox
to decide whether or not the Droplet should quit
after it has done its thing,
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once you've closed the windows.
I'm not entirely convinced - my iMac doesn't sleep properly (insofar as the fan still spins) unless I quit all. But then I'm not that bothered most of the
time and just let it do its thing. With the screen off it's consuming very little energy.
In article <1q3czpl.kn3iqwr8kwe4N%[email protected]>, J. J.
Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
actually it can, although it's a very bad idea.
Not really, if the Finder is allowed to quit in an orderly way.
It will wind up what it was doing first.
It may be useful if the Finder has been heavily loaded.
And it is quicker than a restart.
yes really. the system expects finder to always be running which means
some things may not work properly or at all.
there is no reason to quit the finder, unless it is unresponsive or
otherwise crashed.
The Activity Monitor can also be used to quit the Finder,
or you can issue a Terminal command, or...
you can even add a quit menu.
it's still a bad idea.
In article <1q3cz9g.e8bauk1i1l2ifN%[email protected]>, J. J.
Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
the way it's supposed to work is that apps with only one window remain running when closing its window since it does not make sense for it to remain running, whereas apps that support multiple windows remain running.
One of the visible effects is taking up space in the dock, yes/no.
that's so incredibly minor, plus if the app is always in the dock, then
it has no effect on it.
Applets created by ABFR have something like it.
When creating the droplet there is a checkbox
to decide whether or not the Droplet should quit
after it has done its thing,
that's very, very different than an actual app.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <to04la$14hfh$[email protected]>, <[email protected]d> wrote:
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
they don't need that.
That is how Mac OS is designed.
and for valid reasons. windows works a little differently.
To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program.
no, it's in the file menu.
the 'icon that look like your program' would be in the dock at the
bottom.
The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
actually it can, although it's a very bad idea.
Not really, if the Finder is allowed to quit in an orderly way.
It will wind up what it was doing first.
It may be useful if the Finder has been heavily loaded.
And it is quicker than a restart.
I have an Applet for it on the desktop. (toggle Show Invisibles)
It will quit and relaunch the Finder.
Launch it twice if you don't want to see the invisibles.
And yes, I know there are (perhaps) easier ways,
but this one just happens to be around anyway, for other reasons.
The Activity Monitor can also be used to quit the Finder,
or you can issue a Terminal command, or...
Jan
J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <to04la$14hfh$[email protected]>, <[email protected]d> wrote:
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
they don't need that.
That is how Mac OS is designed.
and for valid reasons. windows works a little differently.
To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program.
no, it's in the file menu.
the 'icon that look like your program' would be in the dock at the
bottom.
The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
actually it can, although it's a very bad idea.
Not really, if the Finder is allowed to quit in an orderly way.
It will wind up what it was doing first.
It may be useful if the Finder has been heavily loaded.
And it is quicker than a restart.
I have an Applet for it on the desktop. (toggle Show Invisibles)
There's a hot key for that:
Cmd + Shift + Period
It will quit and relaunch the Finder.
Launch it twice if you don't want to see the invisibles.
And yes, I know there are (perhaps) easier ways,
but this one just happens to be around anyway, for other reasons.
You can create a new applet that works faster.
I have my middle mouse button set to they hot key in the Finder (third
party tool lets me set it per app).
The Activity Monitor can also be used to quit the Finder,
or you can issue a Terminal command, or...
Jan
I have a System Service in the Finder. Yes, I could turn on the menu item
but I want it to be mostly out of sight, out of mind.
Applets created by ABFR have something like it.
When creating the droplet there is a checkbox
to decide whether or not the Droplet should quit
after it has done its thing,
that's very, very different than an actual app.
MacOS doesn't think so.
They have Kind = Application,
and they will be found as such in a search,
Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <to04la$14hfh$[email protected]>, <[email protected]d> wrote:
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
they don't need that.
That is how Mac OS is designed.
and for valid reasons. windows works a little differently.
To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program.
no, it's in the file menu.
the 'icon that look like your program' would be in the dock at the
bottom.
The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
actually it can, although it's a very bad idea.
Not really, if the Finder is allowed to quit in an orderly way.
It will wind up what it was doing first.
It may be useful if the Finder has been heavily loaded.
And it is quicker than a restart.
I have an Applet for it on the desktop. (toggle Show Invisibles)
There's a hot key for that:
Cmd + Shift + Period
Yes, but then you need to remember that.
The Automator applet is always in plain sight on the desktop.
It will quit and relaunch the Finder.
Launch it twice if you don't want to see the invisibles.
And yes, I know there are (perhaps) easier ways,
but this one just happens to be around anyway, for other reasons.
You can create a new applet that works faster.
Certainly, but not worth the trouble. (for me)
I have my middle mouse button set to they hot key in the Finder (third
party tool lets me set it per app).
The Activity Monitor can also be used to quit the Finder,I have a System Service in the Finder. Yes, I could turn on the menu item
or you can issue a Terminal command, or...
Jan
but I want it to be mostly out of sight, out of mind.
Yes, I have had Cmd-Q turned on in the Finder, long ago.
I disabled it again.
I had far more accidental Finder quits than intended ones.
Nospam is right, quiting the Finder is usually a bad idea,
(but not always)
Jan
On 12/22/22 01:14, David Brooks wrote:
Applications which are running have a marker beneath them to show that
they are 'open' - currently a black dot!
I have used that before too.
I have also noticed that some programs, such as terminal, just appear on
the far right of the dock, so I look both
places. Possibly because they were not on the dock to
start with
If you need help, just ask!
Oh you can count on that!
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once
you've closed the windows.
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once you've closed the windows.
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak
Nospam is right, quiting the Finder is usually a bad idea,
(but not always)
Agreed.
On 12/22/22 07:22, Snit wrote:
Nospam is right, quiting the Finder is usually a bad idea,
(but not always)
Agreed.
I find it a little weird. I am always starting and
stopping all find of file managers in both Windows
and Linux.
The only reason I mentioned it was to keep
anyone from trying.
J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <to04la$14hfh$[email protected]>, <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>>
This is one of the things I constantly have to train
my Mac customer on.
they don't need that.
That is how Mac OS is designed.
and for valid reasons. windows works a little differently.
To quit the program
itself, you have to go to the top of your computer's
screen to what they call the "Menu Bar" and quit
your program from there. It is usually in the icon
that look like your program.
no, it's in the file menu.
the 'icon that look like your program' would be in the dock at the
bottom.
The only exception is the Finder, which
can't be exited.
actually it can, although it's a very bad idea.
Not really, if the Finder is allowed to quit in an orderly way.
It will wind up what it was doing first.
It may be useful if the Finder has been heavily loaded.
And it is quicker than a restart.
I have an Applet for it on the desktop. (toggle Show Invisibles)
There's a hot key for that:
Cmd + Shift + Period
Yes, but then you need to remember that.
The Automator applet is always in plain sight on the desktop.
Ok. We do it differently but that's how it should be.
It will quit and relaunch the Finder.
Launch it twice if you don't want to see the invisibles.
And yes, I know there are (perhaps) easier ways,
but this one just happens to be around anyway, for other reasons.
You can create a new applet that works faster.
Certainly, but not worth the trouble. (for me)
Ok.
I have my middle mouse button set to they hot key in the Finder (third
party tool lets me set it per app).
The Activity Monitor can also be used to quit the Finder,I have a System Service in the Finder. Yes, I could turn on the menu item >> but I want it to be mostly out of sight, out of mind.
or you can issue a Terminal command, or...
Jan
Yes, I have had Cmd-Q turned on in the Finder, long ago.
I disabled it again.
I had far more accidental Finder quits than intended ones.
Exactly.
Nospam is right, quiting the Finder is usually a bad idea,
(but not always)
Agreed.
Have a nice day!
And thank you for helping me update my kill file.
On 12/22/22 01:19, Chris wrote:
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once
you've closed the windows.
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak
Remember that I only get called out when things
go sideways.
Also, I try not to change things on my customers.
I do my best to live with things the way they
like them
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 12/22/22 01:19, Chris wrote:
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once
you've closed the windows.
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak
Remember that I only get called out when things
go sideways.
It's rare enough a situation not to worry about until it happens. Certainly in macs.
Windows may be worse.
Also, I try not to change things on my customers.
I do my best to live with things the way they
like them
Except you "train" them to do wasteful things.
On 12/23/22 11:21, Chris wrote:
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 12/22/22 01:19, Chris wrote:
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once >>>> you've closed the windows.
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak
Remember that I only get called out when things
go sideways.
It's rare enough a situation not to worry about until it happens. Certainly >> in macs.
That depends on the programs. Firefox is notorious
for memory leaks.
Also keep in mind that I frequently find Mac computer
that have not been rebooted for two or more years
and have never had any of their programs shutdown.
I find it so weird that a lot of my Mac customers
do not even have "Applications" on their Finder
quick links.
They only use what in on the dock.
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak
Remember that I only get called out when things
go sideways.
It's rare enough a situation not to worry about until it happens. Certainly in macs.
That depends on the programs. Firefox is notorious
for memory leaks.
Also keep in mind that I frequently find Mac computer
that have not been rebooted for two or more years
and have never had any of their programs shutdown.
Customers don't know how to shutdown, reboot, what
the menu bar is, how to exit programs.
Windows may be worse.
100 times worse. I am not exaggerating either.
I would not have a job if not for M$'s tragic
quality.
I had a Mac Book customer two weeks ago that
was using the "Dark Screen" theme. Gray on black
until you activated the bar, IF you can find the
bar to start with. It gave me a headache.
I asked her if she likes the Dark Theme and she
was all bubbly about her husband setting it up
for her. So I just suffered thought it. P in
PC and all that.
A lot of customers I have do not like to learn
new things either, even if they are 10 times easier.
So I do my best to work with them, but it
not always possible.
I have shown several of my customer how to use tab
in their browsers, but it does not stick.
I also do not have any power uses on mac for
customers. They do not need me.
Let me give you an example. I had a customer about
three years ago that bragged on and on about how
wonderful her iMac was. She had me do some networking
for her (firewall, WiFi, etc).
Now it is my policy to always give the customer all
the user accounts I create and passwords. Since she
was so in love with her iMac, I created a text file
for her with all the particulars. And, yes, I
showed her where it was and how to access it as
well as printing it our for her. And yes again,
Finder clearly showed it in her documents. It
was the ONLY one.
About a week later she calls me up bitching and
cussing at me because I did not give her her
passwords. So I again showed her where they were
on her beloved iMac. She took a picture of them
with her cell phone and has been quit about it
ever since.
Turns out the ONLY thing she knew how to operate
on her $$$$ iMac was Safari.
She should have saved
the money and just used her cell phone.
A table
would have been too much for her.
I find it so weird that a lot of my Mac customers
do not even have "Applications" on their Finder
quick links. They only use what in on the dock.
I should look at the Documents next time. I
wonder if they are also blank. Or even in
the quick links.
An iMac with a 27 inch plus screen is a lot of money
just to use as a browser.
On 12/23/22 11:21, Chris wrote:
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 12/22/22 01:19, Chris wrote:
T <[email protected]d> wrote:
I do not care at all for it (weird for the sake
of weirdness), but you can get use to it. I
did, but I still shake my head in disdain. It
wastes a ton of my time.
You're right. It is a waste of time. There's no need to quit apps once >>> you've closed the windows.
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak
Remember that I only get called out when things
go sideways.
It's rare enough a situation not to worry about until it happens. Certainly in macs.
That depends on the programs. Firefox is notorious
for memory leaks.
Also keep in mind that I frequently find Mac computer
that have not been rebooted for two or more years
and have never had any of their programs shutdown.
Also keep in mind that I frequently find Mac computer
that have not been rebooted for two or more years
and have never had any of their programs shutdown.
Yes, that is precisely the way a MacBook is best used.
Reboot only when required, for System upgrades for example.
Shutdown, never.
For a dektop energy saving might be a point,
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 714 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 141:19:03 |
| Calls: | 12,087 |
| Files: | 14,998 |
| Messages: | 6,517,442 |