I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted for.
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages >> of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I >> thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted >> for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system
software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters >> which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is >> that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages >> of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I >> thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted >> for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >>> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Some of it might also be being used by Time Machine. That makes local snapshots onto your main drive from time to time. The space thus occupied would be freed up if needed for a real purpose, but I don't know how the various tools show it or account it.
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted for.
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages >> of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I >> thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted >> for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system
software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters >> which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is >> that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam.
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >>> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Some of it might also be being used by Time Machine. That makes local snapshots onto your main drive from time to time. The space thus occupied would be freed up if needed for a real purpose, but I don't know how the various tools show it or account it.
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Some of it might also be being used by Time Machine. That makes local
snapshots onto your main drive from time to time. The space thus occupied
would be freed up if needed for a real purpose, but I don't know how the
various tools show it or account it.
I use an external drive for Time Machine. I would have expected any
snapshots to be on that.
J.
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Some of it might also be being used by Time Machine. That makes local
snapshots onto your main drive from time to time. The space thus occupied
would be freed up if needed for a real purpose, but I don't know how the
various tools show it or account it.
I use an external drive for Time Machine. I would have expected any
snapshots to be on that.
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Some of it might also be being used by Time Machine. That makes local
snapshots onto your main drive from time to time. The space thus occupied
would be freed up if needed for a real purpose, but I don't know how the
various tools show it or account it.
I use an external drive for Time Machine. I would have expected any
snapshots to be on that.
On 21/11/2022 14:20, John Hill wrote:
Hi John
You might like to try this!
https://macpaw.com/cleanmymac
Your Mac.
As good as new.
CleanMyMac X is all-in-one package to awesomize your Mac.
It cleans megatons of junk and makes your computer run faster.
Just like it did on day one.
On 21/11/2022 14:49, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 14:20, John Hill wrote:
Hi John
You might like to try this!
https://macpaw.com/cleanmymac
Your Mac.
As good as new.
CleanMyMac X is all-in-one package to awesomize your Mac.
It cleans megatons of junk and makes your computer run faster.
Just like it did on day one.
I wouldn't normally respond, but this needs one.
No, no , no, do not use CleanMyMac at all, it's one of the most
dangerous of these apps that you could use (yeah, found out the hard way
a few years ago).
I used to be an OK utility once, but then they screwed it all up, and
it's more likely to brick your system than anything else.
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >>> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam. >>>
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security settings bit I'm trusting you.
On 2022-11-21 17:10:28 +0000, John Hill <[email protected]> said:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get
Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>>>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam. >>>>>
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security
settings bit I'm trusting you.
DiskInventoryX merely confirmed the figures I already have, and showed the >> same amount of available memory. It did not show where the rest of memory
has gone.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and >> system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a >> huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
I don't think CleanMyMac will help; it will only clean the accessible area. >>
DiscUtil showed a few errors but claims that the drive is OK. Would those
be corrected along the way?
I presume that as Get Info on the HD icon does show the 500 GB, it is still >> around somewhere, and that a large portion of the SSD hasn't failed - do
hope so!
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
John.
Maybe worth trying GrandPerspective
<https://grandperspectiv.sourceforge.net> or similar for a graphical
check?
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam. >>>>
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security >> settings bit I'm trusting you.
DiskInventoryX merely confirmed the figures I already have, and showed the same amount of available memory. It did not show where the rest of memory
has gone.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
I don't think CleanMyMac will help; it will only clean the accessible area.
DiscUtil showed a few errors but claims that the drive is OK. Would those
be corrected along the way?
I presume that as Get Info on the HD icon does show the 500 GB, it is still around somewhere, and that a large portion of the SSD hasn't failed - do
hope so!
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
John.
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >>> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam. >>>
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security settings bit I'm trusting you.
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam. >>>>
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security >> settings bit I'm trusting you.
DiskInventoryX merely confirmed the figures I already have, and showed the same amount of available memory. It did not show where the rest of memory
has gone.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
I don't think CleanMyMac will help; it will only clean the accessible area.
DiscUtil showed a few errors but claims that the drive is OK. Would those
be corrected along the way?
I presume that as Get Info on the HD icon does show the 500 GB, it is still around somewhere, and that a large portion of the SSD hasn't failed - do
hope so!
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
John.
There's a YT video to watch here, John:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF7BbJZXG0k
Using the 'free' product might help you determine where your data is
actually stored.
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 14:49, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 14:20, John Hill wrote:
Hi John
You might like to try this!
https://macpaw.com/cleanmymac
Your Mac.
As good as new.
CleanMyMac X is all-in-one package to awesomize your Mac.
It cleans megatons of junk and makes your computer run faster.
Just like it did on day one.
I wouldn't normally respond, but this needs one.
No, no , no, do not use CleanMyMac at all, it's one of the most
dangerous of these apps that you could use (yeah, found out the hard way
a few years ago).
I used to be an OK utility once, but then they screwed it all up, and
it's more likely to brick your system than anything else.
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague.
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >>>> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security >> settings bit I'm trusting you.
DiskInventoryX merely confirmed the figures I already have, and showed the same amount of available memory. It did not show where the rest of memory
has gone.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
In article <chPeL.1666940$[email protected]>, David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
lots of people do stupid things.
certain ones in particular do incredibly stupid things.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages >> of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I >> thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I >> could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get >> Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted >> for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
I used to be an OK utility once, but then they screwed it all up, and
it's more likely to brick your system than anything else.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <chPeL.1666940$[email protected]>, David G. Brooks
<[email protected]d> wrote:
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
lots of people do stupid things.
certain ones in particular do incredibly stupid things.
You mean like posting a link to a chart that does not even mention
MacKeeper? Or posting a link to a commercial?
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
lots of people do stupid things.
certain ones in particular do incredibly stupid things.
You mean like posting a link to a chart that does not even mention MacKeeper? Or posting a link to a commercial?
MacKeeper = CleanMyMac
HTH
On 21/11/2022 16:59, Alan B wrote:
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague.
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
Do read here, Alan https://jmp.sh/JWGlLVo7
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
Just sayin'! 🙂
On 21/11/2022 18:17, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 16:59, Alan B wrote:
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague.
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
Do read here, Alan https://jmp.sh/JWGlLVo7
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
Just sayin'! 🙂
<holds head in hands>
On 21/11/2022 18:43, Bob Campbell wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <chPeL.1666940$[email protected]>, David G. Brooks
<[email protected]d> wrote:
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
lots of people do stupid things.
certain ones in particular do incredibly stupid things.
You mean like posting a link to a chart that does not even mention
MacKeeper? Or posting a link to a commercial?
MacKeeper = CleanMyMac
HTH
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 18:17, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 16:59, Alan B wrote:
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague.
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
Do read here, Alan https://jmp.sh/JWGlLVo7
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
Just sayin'! 🙂
<holds head in hands>
I expect most of the ucsm regulars are doing likewise :)
In article <chPeL.1666940$[email protected]>, David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
lots of people do stupid things.
certain ones in particular do incredibly stupid things.
<holds head in hands>
I expect most of the ucsm regulars are doing likewise :)
diskutil list
On 21/11/2022 17:10, John Hill wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get
Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>>>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam. >>>>>
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security
settings bit I'm trusting you.
DiskInventoryX merely confirmed the figures I already have, and showed the >> same amount of available memory. It did not show where the rest of memory
has gone.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and >> system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a >> huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
I don't think CleanMyMac will help; it will only clean the accessible area. >>
DiscUtil showed a few errors but claims that the drive is OK. Would those
be corrected along the way?
I presume that as Get Info on the HD icon does show the 500 GB, it is still >> around somewhere, and that a large portion of the SSD hasn't failed - do
hope so!
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
John.
There's a YT video to watch here, John:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF7BbJZXG0k
Using the 'free' product might help you determine where your data is
actually stored.
Is there any reason why you haven't upgraded to Ventura? It's working
well for me.
On 21 Nov 2022 at 19:12:25 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <[email protected]> wrote:
diskutil list
I tried that, and got"
johnhill@Johns-iMac ~ % diskutil list
/dev/disk0 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *500.3 GB disk0
1: EFI EFI 314.6 MB disk0s1
2: Apple_APFS Container disk1 500.0 GB disk0s2
/dev/disk1 (synthesized):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: APFS Container Scheme - +500.0 GB disk1
Physical Store disk0s2
1: APFS Volume Big Sur - Data 448.8 GB disk1s1
2: APFS Volume Preboot 895.1 MB disk1s2
3: APFS Volume Recovery 1.1 GB disk1s3
4: APFS Volume VM 3.2 GB disk1s4
5: APFS Volume John's HD 15.4 GB disk1s5
6: APFS Snapshot com.apple.os.update-... 15.4 GB disk1s5s1
On 21 Nov 2022 at 17:10:28 GMT, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get
Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>>>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security
settings bit I'm trusting you.
DiskInventoryX merely confirmed the figures I already have, and showed the >> same amount of available memory. It did not show where the rest of memory
has gone.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and >> system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a >> huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
I take it that by "memory" you mean "disk space".
Have you looked for TM snapshots? According to that link I pointed you at, for
Mojave (that's me) TM uses the internal disk for snapshots. For Big Sur and later, it snapshots each disk on the disk itself, every hour, and deletes them
if the space is needed or in any case after 24 hours.
David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 17:10, John Hill wrote:
Is there any reason why you haven't upgraded to Ventura? It's working
well for me.
I haven't upgraded because I always wait until there have been several updates. And I'm not sure that there's anything in it that I really need.
But I don't suppose for a moment that to upgrade would fix the current problem, and would never consider upgrading until it has been fixed or I'm convinced it is irremediable.
John.
On 21/11/2022 17:10, John Hill wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 12:30:57 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey. >>>>>
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get
Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system >>>>> software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
Anyone know the answers?
John.
--
Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora - William of Occam. >>>>>
A shutdown and reboot had no effect.
I am trying DiskInventoryX, bit concerned that I had to override my security
settings bit I'm trusting you.
DiskInventoryX merely confirmed the figures I already have, and showed the >> same amount of available memory. It did not show where the rest of memory
has gone.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and >> system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a >> huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
I don't think CleanMyMac will help; it will only clean the accessible area. >>
DiscUtil showed a few errors but claims that the drive is OK. Would those
be corrected along the way?
I presume that as Get Info on the HD icon does show the 500 GB, it is still >> around somewhere, and that a large portion of the SSD hasn't failed - do
hope so!
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
John.
There's a YT video to watch here, John:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF7BbJZXG0k
Using the 'free' product might help you determine where your data is
actually stored.
Is there any reason why you haven't upgraded to Ventura? It's working
well for me.
I've checked Anne's iMac, which is identical to mine so far as hardware and >>> system are concerned, and it does NOT show this issue. So I conclude that a >>> huge amount of memory is locked away and inaccessible on mine.
I take it that by "memory" you mean "disk space".
Have you looked for TM snapshots? According to that link I pointed you at, for
Mojave (that's me) TM uses the internal disk for snapshots. For Big Sur and >> later, it snapshots each disk on the disk itself, every hour, and deletes them
if the space is needed or in any case after 24 hours.
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
John.
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:[....]
Is there any reason why you haven't upgraded to Ventura? It's working
well for me.
I haven't upgraded because I always wait until there have been several updates. And I'm not sure that there's anything in it that I really need.
But I don't suppose for a moment that to upgrade would fix the current problem, and would never consider upgrading until it has been fixed or I'm convinced it is irremediable.
John.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am not going to bully you into doing that!
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >>> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
Something I hadn’t appreciated is that macOS will itself delete local snapshots in certain circumstances such as making room for updates. It
would be interesting to know just how many snapshots John has and how much space they are taking up but the latter is difficult to ascertain as previously mentioned.
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204015>
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
Cheers - Jaimie
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am not going to bully you into doing that!
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to
ignore it until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of
Recovery which includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup
clear it up? Or are there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But
I am not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
On 22/11/2022 10:05, John Hill wrote:
On 21 Nov 2022 at 19:12:25 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <[email protected]> wrote:
diskutil list
I tried that, and got"
johnhill@Johns-iMac ~ % diskutil list
/dev/disk0 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *500.3 GB disk0 >> 1: EFI EFI 314.6 MB disk0s1
2: Apple_APFS Container disk1 500.0 GB disk0s2
/dev/disk1 (synthesized):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: APFS Container Scheme - +500.0 GB disk1 >> Physical Store disk0s2
1: APFS Volume Big Sur - Data 448.8 GB disk1s1
2: APFS Volume Preboot 895.1 MB disk1s2
3: APFS Volume Recovery 1.1 GB disk1s3
4: APFS Volume VM 3.2 GB disk1s4
5: APFS Volume John's HD 15.4 GB disk1s5
6: APFS Snapshot com.apple.os.update-... 15.4 GB disk1s5s1
The above (disk1) is the key one. The layout is a bit different to
Chris's and what I see as well. However, it confirms that your Data
volume is 448.8 GB full.
What does About this Mac -> Storage tell you?
For me the numbers add up with diskutil.
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >>> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am >> not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. Where's the rush?
John.
The above (disk1) is the key one. The layout is a bit different to
Chris's and what I see as well. However, it confirms that your Data
volume is 448.8 GB full.
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4 Does seem to have done the trick. I now have:
Capacity: 499.96 GB
Available: 385.37 GB
Used: 109,190,623,232 bytes (109.19 GB on disk)
This is much more reasonable. Thank you very much! I'm nog familiar with Terminal and regard it with awe and suspicion.
But why were all these snapshots hanging around? Surely they should be cleared
at the end of each day, or something? Evidently they are on Anne's iMac.
Maybe I'll turn off Time Machine for a while. I've ordered a new external drive, with the intention of using that for TM.
On 23/11/2022 10:14, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am >>> not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready.
Where's the rush?
John.
I'm delighted to learn that you have regained lost storage space, John! :-D
If I were in YOUR shoes, I'd be wondering how and why my machine got
into such a muddle. The "rush" is nothing more than getting and keeping up-to-date with the best security measures which Apple is able to provide.
When I started with Apple one had to PAY to move on to the next stepping-stone. Now it's free-gratis and, in my opinion, should be
grasped with open arms! YMMV
On 22 Nov 2022 at 16:08:21 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >>> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
Cheers - Jaimie
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4 Does seem to have done the trick. I now have:
Capacity: 499.96 GB
Available: 385.37 GB
Used: 109,190,623,232 bytes (109.19 GB on disk)
This is much more reasonable. Thank you very much! I'm nog familiar with Terminal and regard it with awe and suspicion.
But why were all these snapshots hanging around? Surely they should be cleared
at the end of each day, or something? Evidently they are on Anne's iMac.
Maybe I'll turn off Time Machine for a while. I've ordered a new external drive, with the intention of using that for TM.
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >>> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am >> not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready.
On 23 Nov 2022 at 10:14:07 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am >>> not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready.
It is a good bet to never ever do anything David suggests, including
reading his posts.
Cheers - Jaimie
When I started with Apple one had to PAY to move on to the next stepping-stone. Now it's free-gratis and, in my opinion, should be
grasped with open arms! YMMV
Yes, I remember those days too - going back to System 4.
David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 23/11/2022 10:14, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>> Where's the rush?
John.
I'm delighted to learn that you have regained lost storage space, John! :-D >>
If I were in YOUR shoes, I'd be wondering how and why my machine got
into such a muddle. The "rush" is nothing more than getting and keeping
up-to-date with the best security measures which Apple is able to provide. >>
When I started with Apple one had to PAY to move on to the next
stepping-stone. Now it's free-gratis and, in my opinion, should be
grasped with open arms! YMMV
Yes, I remember those days too - going back to System 4.
But Apple are still providing security updates for Monterey... I think most of us are less worried about security than you:-)
Ventura makes me think of aerodynamics, for some reason, just as Mavericks brought cattle ranching to mind!
John.
On 23/11/2022 10:54, John Hill wrote:
David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 23/11/2022 10:14, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie. >>>>
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>>> Where's the rush?
John.
I'm delighted to learn that you have regained lost storage space, John! :-D >>>
If I were in YOUR shoes, I'd be wondering how and why my machine got
into such a muddle. The "rush" is nothing more than getting and keeping
up-to-date with the best security measures which Apple is able to provide. >>>
When I started with Apple one had to PAY to move on to the next
stepping-stone. Now it's free-gratis and, in my opinion, should be
grasped with open arms! YMMV
Yes, I remember those days too - going back to System 4.
But Apple are still providing security updates for Monterey... I think most >> of us are less worried about security than you:-)
Ventura makes me think of aerodynamics, for some reason, just as Mavericks >> brought cattle ranching to mind!
John.
Please help me with one small thing, John.
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say
to you?
Btw, I'm not REALLY a security nut - I'm simply well aware that things
are not always as they seem! I'm content to let Apple look after my iMac
by keeping right up to date!
PS Wasn't Maverick a gambler, back in the day? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maverick_(TV_series)
In article <tlku54$bstg$[email protected]>, John Hill
<[email protected]> wrote:
When I started with Apple one had to PAY to move on to the next
stepping-stone. Now it's free-gratis and, in my opinion, should be
grasped with open arms! YMMV
Yes, I remember those days too - going back to System 4.
system 4 was free.
PS Wasn't Maverick a gambler, back in the day? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maverick_(TV_series)
maverick | ?mav(?)r?k |
noun
1 an unorthodox or independent-minded person: he's the maverick of the fashion
scene.
2 North American an unbranded calf or yearling.
In article <tlnad4$kc6u$[email protected]>, John Hill
<[email protected]> wrote:
PS Wasn't Maverick a gambler, back in the day?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maverick_(TV_series)
maverick | ?mav(?)r?k |
noun
1 an unorthodox or independent-minded person: he's the maverick of the fashion
scene.
2 North American an unbranded calf or yearling.
apple switched from cat names to places in california.
mac os mavericks (with an s) was named after a beach on the california
coast.
<https://www.californiabeaches.com/beach/mavericks-beach/>
In article <tlnad4$kc6u$[email protected]>, John Hill
<[email protected]> wrote:
PS Wasn't Maverick a gambler, back in the day?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maverick_(TV_series)
maverick | ?mav(?)r?k |
noun
1 an unorthodox or independent-minded person: he's the maverick of the fashion
scene.
2 North American an unbranded calf or yearling.
apple switched from cat names to places in california.
mac os mavericks (with an s) was named after a beach on the california
coast.
<https://www.californiabeaches.com/beach/mavericks-beach/>
mac os mavericks (with an s) was named after a beach on the california coast.
<https://www.californiabeaches.com/beach/mavericks-beach/>
Nevertheless, I have wondered if Apple knew about the other association!
mac os mavericks (with an s) was named after a beach on the california coast.
<https://www.californiabeaches.com/beach/mavericks-beach/>
And so it is with Ventura!
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I
say to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's killfiles, you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say
to you?
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >>> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit?
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say >>> to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
On 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I
say to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's
killfiles, you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
And much more.
It's also a bit of a give away when other users respond to him quoting his crap.
Am 24.11.22 um 15:30 schrieb Alan B:
On 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I >>>>> say to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's >>> killfiles, you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
And much more.
It's also a bit of a give away when other users respond to him quoting his >> crap.
If the filter is set accordingly the complete subthread will be ignored.
You know what I mean?
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac
doesn't show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same
way. For me that is strong evidence that the missing disc space is
not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you
should see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such
shit?
Get back to us when you get a snapshotting copy-on-write filesystem
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say >>>> to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's
killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
Nice insult, must remember that for future use, but what's this all about?
On 23 Nov 2022 at 15:48:04 GMT, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <tlku54$bstg$[email protected]>, John Hill
<[email protected]> wrote:
When I started with Apple one had to PAY to move on to the next
stepping-stone. Now it's free-gratis and, in my opinion, should be
grasped with open arms! YMMV
Yes, I remember those days too - going back to System 4.
system 4 was free.
I wouldn't have known - IIRC it was on my first 512K Mac in March '85. And further upgrades were funded by the MoD until I retired in '91. I was on my own as far as hardware and system upgrades were concerned after that, althought I did work part time from home for another five years.
John.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >>> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit?
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 14:49, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 14:20, John Hill wrote:
Hi John
You might like to try this!
https://macpaw.com/cleanmymac
Your Mac.
As good as new.
CleanMyMac X is all-in-one package to awesomize your Mac.
It cleans megatons of junk and makes your computer run faster.
Just like it did on day one.
I wouldn't normally respond, but this needs one.
No, no , no, do not use CleanMyMac at all, it's one of the most
dangerous of these apps that you could use (yeah, found out the hard way
a few years ago).
I used to be an OK utility once, but then they screwed it all up, and
it's more likely to brick your system than anything else.
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague.
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
I now see that OS4 came in with the Plus.
The 512K must have had 1 or
perhaps 2; I really don't remember!
Seems a long time ago now.
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say >>>>> to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's >>> killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
Nice insult, must remember that for future use, but what's this all about? >>
Basically, it's people feeding the trolls. It never makes any difference, I wonder why they bother.
On 21/11/2022 21:16, Alan B wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 18:17, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 16:59, Alan B wrote:
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague. >>>>>
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
Do read here, Alan https://jmp.sh/JWGlLVo7
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
Just sayin'! 🙂
<holds head in hands>
I expect most of the ucsm regulars are doing likewise :)
*Notarized by Apple*
https://cleanmymac.macpaw.com/21?
Why are you guys so far behind the curve?
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am not going to bully you into doing that!
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it >>> until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am >> not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. Where's the rush?
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
Something I hadn’t appreciated is that macOS will itself delete local
snapshots in certain circumstances such as making room for updates. It
would be interesting to know just how many snapshots John has and how much >> space they are taking up but the latter is difficult to ascertain as
previously mentioned.
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204015>
Out of curiosity I turned off automatic TM backups as mentioned in the article and lo and behold the number of local snapshots did indeed drop to just one. This may be worth a try especially for those who prefer not to
use the tmutil command line tool.
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that >>> is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
Something I hadn’t appreciated is that macOS will itself delete local snapshots in certain circumstances such as making room for updates. It
would be interesting to know just how many snapshots John has and how much space they are taking up but the latter is difficult to ascertain as previously mentioned.
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204015>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit?
Get back to us when you get a snapshotting copy-on-write filesystem.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:Basically, it's people feeding the trolls. It never makes any difference, I >> wonder why they bother.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say >>>>>> to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's >>>> killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
Nice insult, must remember that for future use, but what's this all about? >>
With all due respect you continue to feed one of the worst trolls ever to
be let loose on Usenet. You know who I mean.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't >>>> show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit?
On my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me.
And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was it under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings?
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit they have helpfully put there.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:37:24 -0000, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 -0000, Jaimie VandenberghBasically, it's people feeding the trolls. It never makes any difference, I >>> wonder why they bother.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say
to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's >>>>> killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
Nice insult, must remember that for future use, but what's this all about? >>>
With all due respect you continue to feed one of the worst trolls ever to
be let loose on Usenet. You know who I mean.
Both of you need to learn how to use a killfile, then you'd never see the people you don't like (they're not trolls, they just disagree with you), ****or any replies to them****.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am >>> not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready.
Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:On my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me.
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should >>>> see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier >>>> if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit? >>
Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
bottom to get to anything else, or I just type the name of it. On the right are techy things like control panel. And I can choose what goes there if I don't like it.And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was
looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was it
under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings?
Yeah MS keeps redesigning their interface. I just open the start menu and type what I'm looking for.
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into >> sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit
they have helpfully put there.
I don't use their start menu. I use startallback which makes it like their wonderful invention they had back in about windows 7. I get two columns. On the left are the 30 (my choice of number) most recently opened apps, with "all programs" at the
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Then please tell me how to configure a killfile that predicts the likely content of a nym shift.
Don't Macs autoupdate?
You mean as in OS versions? Fortunately not.
There was a big bleating on
another NG earlier today that whenever someone turned his Windows machine on, it was unusable for an hour while it updated. And for home versions of Windows, they tell me that cannot be prevented.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:10:38 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>> Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
You mean as in OS versions? Fortunately not. There was a big bleating on another NG earlier today that whenever someone turned his Windows machine on, it was unusable for an hour while it updated. And for home versions of Windows, they tell me that cannot be prevented.
I don't want updating to occur until I'm ready.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:22:22 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:On my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me.
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should >>>>> see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even >>>>> 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier >>>>> if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit? >>>
Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
Try not to be a complete twerp. We have one individual whose machine seems to have an issue. The rest of us, not.
bottom to get to anything else, or I just type the name of it. On the right are techy things like control panel. And I can choose what goes there if I don't like it.And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was >>> looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was it >>> under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings?
Yeah MS keeps redesigning their interface. I just open the start menu and type what I'm looking for.
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into >>> sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit
they have helpfully put there.
I don't use their start menu. I use startallback which makes it like their wonderful invention they had back in about windows 7. I get two columns. On the left are the 30 (my choice of number) most recently opened apps, with "all programs" at the
I hardly use windows, so I don't waste time farting about with it. OK, except when I come to a machine I haven't used before. Then I put on my sunglasses so
hide all the shit flashing about on the screen until I've turned it off and reduced it to something more sensible. Then I can take my sunglasses off.
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Of course you know whether it's open. On the Duck the're a small dot to indicate that my macOS app is running. Simples.
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:37:24 -0000, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say
to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's >>>>>> killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
Nice insult, must remember that for future use, but what's this all about?
Basically, it's people feeding the trolls. It never makes any difference, I
wonder why they bother.
With all due respect you continue to feed one of the worst trolls ever to >>> be let loose on Usenet. You know who I mean.
Both of you need to learn how to use a killfile, then you'd never see the
people you don't like (they're not trolls, they just disagree with you),
****or any replies to them****.
Then please tell me how to configure a killfile that predicts the likely content of a nym shift.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:37:24 -0000, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:Basically, it's people feeding the trolls. It never makes any difference, I >>> wonder why they bother.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say
to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's >>>>> killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
Nice insult, must remember that for future use, but what's this all about? >>>
With all due respect you continue to feed one of the worst trolls ever to
be let loose on Usenet. You know who I mean.
Both of you need to learn how to use a killfile, then you'd never see the people you don't like (they're not trolls, they just disagree with you), ****or any replies to them****.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 18:59:53 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't want updating to occur until I'm ready.
Windows used to be sensible and told you there was an update. Then you said go. But from this thread I'm assuming Macs don't even inform you.
Am 24.11.22 um 18:23 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Both of you need to learn how to use a killfile, then you'd never see the people you don't like (they're not trolls, they just disagree with you), ****or any replies to them****.
First learn to teach your NG-client how to wrap the lines after 72 characters. Your postings are unreadable.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:33:48 -0000, Alan B
Then please tell me how to configure a killfile that predicts the likely
content of a nym shift.
They only shift because you tell them you're killfiling them and piss them off.
Even if they do shift, something in the headers is often the same.
If for example you wanted to killfile me and any replies to me, you'd put
"@ryzen.home" in the killfile for "any header". That phrase is always in my message ID, and consequently in the references header of any replies under mine.
In article <[email protected]>, Commander Kinsey
<[email protected]> wrote:
Windows used to be sensible and told you there was an update. Then you said go.
not anymore.
But from this thread I'm assuming Macs don't even inform you.
you assume incorrectly.
Windows used to be sensible and told you there was an update. Then you said go.
But from this thread I'm assuming Macs don't even inform you.
Am 24.11.22 um 21:46 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 18:59:53 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I don't want updating to occur until I'm ready.
Windows used to be sensible and told you there was an update. Then you said go. But from this thread I'm assuming Macs don't even inform you.
Macs usually ask very politely. And you have obviously no clue how it
works and what options exist in this respect.
Why are you writing in this group with so little knowledge? Are you
using a Mac? I doubt it.
In article <tloln6$9b7m$[email protected]>, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:
Am 24.11.22 um 18:23 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Both of you need to learn how to use a killfile, then you'd never see the >>> people you don't like (they're not trolls, they just disagree with you), >>> ****or any replies to them****.
First learn to teach your NG-client how to wrap the lines after 72
characters. Your postings are unreadable.
get a newsreader that automatically wraps.
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:33:48 -0000, Alan B
Then please tell me how to configure a killfile that predicts the likely >>> content of a nym shift.
They only shift because you tell them you're killfiling them and piss them off.
I don’t think that’s true of the person I’m thinking of. I believe he nym
shifts quite deliberately to try to ensure his ramblings get maximum visibility.
Even if they do shift, something in the headers is often the same.
If for example you wanted to killfile me and any replies to me, you'd put
"@ryzen.home" in the killfile for "any header". That phrase is always in my >> message ID, and consequently in the references header of any replies under mine.
Tempting ;)
Am 24.11.22 um 18:23 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:37:24 -0000, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:25:43 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 08:35:48 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
If young Jamie REALLY doesn't read my posts, how does he know what I say
to you?
Because occasionally you change your fucking nym to escape from people's >>>>>> killfiles,
you conceited, arrogant, scrofulous cretin.
Nice insult, must remember that for future use, but what's this all about?
Basically, it's people feeding the trolls. It never makes any difference, I
wonder why they bother.
With all due respect you continue to feed one of the worst trolls ever to >>> be let loose on Usenet. You know who I mean.
Both of you need to learn how to use a killfile, then you'd never see the people you don't like (they're not trolls, they just disagree with you), ****or any replies to them****.
First learn to teach your NG-client how to wrap the lines after 72 characters. Your postings are unreadable.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:05:39 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:22:22 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:On my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me.
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn'tYou can check.
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related. >>>>>>
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should >>>>>> see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even >>>>>> 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier >>>>>> if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit? >>>>
Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
Try not to be a complete twerp. We have one individual whose machine seems to
have an issue. The rest of us, not.
That's right, blame the user.
bottom to get to anything else, or I just type the name of it. On the right are techy things like control panel. And I can choose what goes there if I don't like it.And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was >>>> looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was it >>>> under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings? >>>Yeah MS keeps redesigning their interface. I just open the start menu and type what I'm looking for.
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into
sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit
they have helpfully put there.
I don't use their start menu. I use startallback which makes it like their wonderful invention they had back in about windows 7. I get two columns. On the left are the 30 (my choice of number) most recently opened apps, with "all programs" at the
I hardly use windows, so I don't waste time farting about with it. OK, except
when I come to a machine I haven't used before. Then I put on my sunglasses so
hide all the shit flashing about on the screen until I've turned it off and >> reduced it to something more sensible. Then I can take my sunglasses off.
What is this "shit flashing about" you refer to?
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Of course you know whether it's open. On the Duck the're a small dot to
indicate that my macOS app is running. Simples.
ROFL! You think that dot is acceptable?! Why do you need apps on the duck when you're not using them?
You do have a start menu sorta thing right?
Why put running and not running in the same place? I don't want to have to look for dots.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:05:52 -0000, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:33:48 -0000, Alan B
Then please tell me how to configure a killfile that predicts the likely >>>> content of a nym shift.
They only shift because you tell them you're killfiling them and piss them off.
I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s true of the person I=E2=80=99m thinking of. I believe he nym
shifts quite deliberately to try to ensure his ramblings get maximum
visibility.
There's an Australian that annoys me, but for some reason he only has 5 socks and they're all [email protected] and he's got a very obvious writing style. I just blocked those 5 and he's gone.
Even if they do shift, something in the headers is often the same.
If for example you wanted to killfile me and any replies to me, you'd put >>> "@ryzen.home" in the killfile for "any header". That phrase is always in my
message ID, and consequently in the references header of any replies under mine.
Tempting ;)
Not many will put up with me for long. I do not troll, but I have opinions most would shoot me for.
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 21:35:37 -0000, David G. Brooks
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 21:16, Alan B wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 18:17, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 16:59, Alan B wrote:
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague. >>>>>>
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
Do read here, Alan https://jmp.sh/JWGlLVo7
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
Just sayin'! 🙂
<holds head in hands>
I expect most of the ucsm regulars are doing likewise :)
*Notarized by Apple*
https://cleanmymac.macpaw.com/21?
Why are you guys so far behind the curve?
You're still using a Mickey Mouse computer.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 18:59:53 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:10:38 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie. >>>>
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>>> Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
You mean as in OS versions? Fortunately not. There was a big bleating on
another NG earlier today that whenever someone turned his Windows machine on,
it was unusable for an hour while it updated. And for home versions of
Windows, they tell me that cannot be prevented.
I don't want updating to occur until I'm ready.
Windows used to be sensible and told you there was an update. Then you said go. But from this thread I'm assuming Macs don't even inform you.
Not many will put up with me for long. I do not troll, but I have opinions most would
shoot me for.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 20:46:27 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 18:59:53 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:10:38 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie. >>>>>
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>>>> Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
You mean as in OS versions? Fortunately not. There was a big bleating on >>> another NG earlier today that whenever someone turned his Windows machine on,
it was unusable for an hour while it updated. And for home versions of
Windows, they tell me that cannot be prevented.
I don't want updating to occur until I'm ready.
Windows used to be sensible and told you there was an update. Then you said go. But from this thread I'm assuming Macs don't even inform you.
Then you really are a dimwit. What happens is it informs you, then you get to decide whether to update right then, or not. If you defer, it's easy enough to
do it later.
On 24/11/2022 17:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 21:35:37 -0000, David G. Brooks
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 21:16, Alan B wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/11/2022 18:17, David G. Brooks wrote:
On 21/11/2022 16:59, Alan B wrote:
Same here. I’ve always been advised to avoid CMM like the plague. >>>>>>>
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253280969>
Do read here, Alan https://jmp.sh/JWGlLVo7
LOTS of Apple computer users use MacKeeper!
Just sayin'! 🙂
<holds head in hands>
I expect most of the ucsm regulars are doing likewise :)
*Notarized by Apple*
https://cleanmymac.macpaw.com/21?
Why are you guys so far behind the curve?
You're still using a Mickey Mouse computer.
Maybe, but the 27 inch 5k Retina screen is to die for! ;-)
On 24 Nov 2022 at 20:45:42 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:05:39 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:22:22 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn'tYou can check.
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related. >>>>>>>
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should >>>>>>> see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even >>>>>>> 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier >>>>>>> if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit?
On my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me. >>>>
Try not to be a complete twerp. We have one individual whose machine seems to
have an issue. The rest of us, not.
That's right, blame the user.
Nice try, but that makes no sense.
bottom to get to anything else, or I just type the name of it. On the right are techy things like control panel. And I can choose what goes there if I don't like it.And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was >>>>> looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was it >>>>> under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings? >>>>Yeah MS keeps redesigning their interface. I just open the start menu and type what I'm looking for.
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into
sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit
they have helpfully put there.
I don't use their start menu. I use startallback which makes it like their wonderful invention they had back in about windows 7. I get two columns. On the left are the 30 (my choice of number) most recently opened apps, with "all programs" at the
What is this "shit flashing about" you refer to?
I hardly use windows, so I don't waste time farting about with it. OK, except
when I come to a machine I haven't used before. Then I put on my sunglasses so
hide all the shit flashing about on the screen until I've turned it off and >>> reduced it to something more sensible. Then I can take my sunglasses off. >>
Particularly in file explorer where you wave the mouse about and all sorts of irrelevant stuff pops up.
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Of course you know whether it's open. On the Duck the're a small dot to
indicate that my macOS app is running. Simples.
ROFL! You think that dot is acceptable?! Why do you need apps on the duck when you're not using them?
So I can start them easily. Pretty obvious really.
You do have a start menu sorta thing right?
No. There is a menu item for recently used items which is useful, however. Especially as it includes apps, documents, and servers.
Why put running and not running in the same place? I don't want to have to look for dots.
Dotty enough already are you?
Listen, if you don't already know all this then what are you doing here other than trolling, eh? Or do you enjoy a good spanking?
On 24 Nov 2022 at 21:27:51 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:05:52 -0000, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:33:48 -0000, Alan B
Then please tell me how to configure a killfile that predicts the likely >>>>> content of a nym shift.
They only shift because you tell them you're killfiling them and piss them off.
I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s true of the person I=E2=80=99m thinking of. I believe he nym
shifts quite deliberately to try to ensure his ramblings get maximum
visibility.
There's an Australian that annoys me, but for some reason he only has 5 socks and they're all [email protected] and he's got a very obvious writing style. I just blocked those 5 and he's gone.
Even if they do shift, something in the headers is often the same.
If for example you wanted to killfile me and any replies to me, you'd put >>>> "@ryzen.home" in the killfile for "any header". That phrase is always in my
message ID, and consequently in the references header of any replies under mine.
Tempting ;)
Not many will put up with me for long. I do not troll, but I have opinions most would shoot me for.
You are a typical time-wasting troll. Shove off.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 22:04:08 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:the bottom to get to anything else, or I just type the name of it. On the right are techy things like control panel. And I can choose what goes there if I don't like it.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:37:23 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 20:45:42 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:05:39 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:22:22 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit?
You can check.
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related. >>>>>>>>>
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even >>>>>>>>> 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier
if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes. >>>>>>>>
On my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me. >>>>>>
Try not to be a complete twerp. We have one individual whose machine seems to
have an issue. The rest of us, not.
That's right, blame the user.
Nice try, but that makes no sense.
"one individual whose machine seems to have an issue" - what's the difference between his machine and yours? The user.
Either the user is an idiot, or macs randomly fuck up the disk. Pick one. >>
And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was
looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was it
under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings?
Yeah MS keeps redesigning their interface. I just open the start menu and type what I'm looking for.
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into
sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit
they have helpfully put there.
I don't use their start menu. I use startallback which makes it like their wonderful invention they had back in about windows 7. I get two columns. On the left are the 30 (my choice of number) most recently opened apps, with "all programs" at
What is this "shit flashing about" you refer to?
I hardly use windows, so I don't waste time farting about with it. OK, except
when I come to a machine I haven't used before. Then I put on my sunglasses so
hide all the shit flashing about on the screen until I've turned it off and
reduced it to something more sensible. Then I can take my sunglasses off. >>>>
Particularly in file explorer where you wave the mouse about and all sorts of
irrelevant stuff pops up.
Nothing happens until I click. On a real button, not that magic mouse shit where I have to guess where the border between the buttons is.
The windows machine I occasionally use has a "real" mouse. Open an explorer window and mouse over the list of files and watch all the irrelevant popups appears.
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Of course you know whether it's open. On the Duck the're a small dot to >>>>> indicate that my macOS app is running. Simples.
ROFL! You think that dot is acceptable?! Why do you need apps on the duck when you're not using them?
So I can start them easily. Pretty obvious really.
So to save one click you have to put up with looking closer to determine if they're running?
They're perfectly visible. Perhaps you need your vision checking..
You do have a start menu sorta thing right?
No. There is a menu item for recently used items which is useful, however. >>> Especially as it includes apps, documents, and servers.
Then why not use that instead to start apps?
Because it won't contain stuff I use less often, such as Photoshop Elements, say.
And from time to time I look at the Duck and think, hmm, I'm done with
that app for the moment, and drag it off the Dock and it vanishes. If I want to add something or re-order them that's easy too, just drag a new one there, things move away to make space for it, likewise when dragging an icon around. And for my email client, I arranged for it to decorate its Dock icon with the number of unread mails.
Why put running and not running in the same place? I don't want to have to look for dots.
Dotty enough already are you?
Listen, if you don't already know all this then what are you doing here other
than trolling, eh? Or do you enjoy a good spanking?
I know it's there, I just don't know why you put up with it.
You know what's there?
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:41:40 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 21:27:51 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:05:52 -0000, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:33:48 -0000, Alan B
Then please tell me how to configure a killfile that predicts the likely >>>>>> content of a nym shift.
They only shift because you tell them you're killfiling them and piss them off.
I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s true of the person I=E2=80=99m thinking of. I believe he nym
shifts quite deliberately to try to ensure his ramblings get maximum
visibility.
There's an Australian that annoys me, but for some reason he only has 5 socks and they're all [email protected] and he's got a very obvious writing style. I just blocked those 5 and he's gone.
Even if they do shift, something in the headers is often the same.
If for example you wanted to killfile me and any replies to me, you'd put >>>>> "@ryzen.home" in the killfile for "any header". That phrase is always in my
message ID, and consequently in the references header of any replies under mine.
Tempting ;)
Not many will put up with me for long. I do not troll, but I have opinions most would shoot me for.
You are a typical time-wasting troll. Shove off.
You are a typical 2 digit IQ moron who failed to understand the above sentence.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:37:23 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:the bottom to get to anything else, or I just type the name of it. On the right are techy things like control panel. And I can choose what goes there if I don't like it.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 20:45:42 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:05:39 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:22:22 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
You can check.
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related. >>>>>>>>
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should
see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even >>>>>>>> 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier >>>>>>>> if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit?
On my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me. >>>>>
Try not to be a complete twerp. We have one individual whose machine seems to
have an issue. The rest of us, not.
That's right, blame the user.
Nice try, but that makes no sense.
"one individual whose machine seems to have an issue" - what's the difference between his machine and yours? The user.
Either the user is an idiot, or macs randomly fuck up the disk. Pick one.
And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was >>>>>> looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was itYeah MS keeps redesigning their interface. I just open the start menu and type what I'm looking for.
under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings? >>>>>
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into
sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit
they have helpfully put there.
I don't use their start menu. I use startallback which makes it like their wonderful invention they had back in about windows 7. I get two columns. On the left are the 30 (my choice of number) most recently opened apps, with "all programs" at
What is this "shit flashing about" you refer to?
I hardly use windows, so I don't waste time farting about with it. OK, except
when I come to a machine I haven't used before. Then I put on my sunglasses so
hide all the shit flashing about on the screen until I've turned it off and
reduced it to something more sensible. Then I can take my sunglasses off. >>>
Particularly in file explorer where you wave the mouse about and all sorts of
irrelevant stuff pops up.
Nothing happens until I click. On a real button, not that magic mouse shit where I have to guess where the border between the buttons is.
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Of course you know whether it's open. On the Duck the're a small dot to >>>> indicate that my macOS app is running. Simples.
ROFL! You think that dot is acceptable?! Why do you need apps on the duck when you're not using them?
So I can start them easily. Pretty obvious really.
So to save one click you have to put up with looking closer to determine if they're running?
You do have a start menu sorta thing right?
No. There is a menu item for recently used items which is useful, however. >> Especially as it includes apps, documents, and servers.
Then why not use that instead to start apps?
Why put running and not running in the same place? I don't want to have to look for dots.
Dotty enough already are you?
Listen, if you don't already know all this then what are you doing here other
than trolling, eh? Or do you enjoy a good spanking?
I know it's there, I just don't know why you put up with it.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 22:05:59 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:39:19 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 20:46:27 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 18:59:53 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:10:38 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>>>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are
there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie. >>>>>>>
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready.
Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
You mean as in OS versions? Fortunately not. There was a big bleating on >>>>> another NG earlier today that whenever someone turned his Windows machine on,
it was unusable for an hour while it updated. And for home versions of >>>>> Windows, they tell me that cannot be prevented.
I don't want updating to occur until I'm ready.
Windows used to be sensible and told you there was an update. Then you said go. But from this thread I'm assuming Macs don't even inform you.
Then you really are a dimwit. What happens is it informs you, then you get to
decide whether to update right then, or not. If you defer, it's easy enough to
do it later.
Then why has the original owner not done a major update? You'd only put it off if you were in the middle of something.
I'm on Mojave. After that is IIRC Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey, and now Ventura.
I might go to Catalina on this development Mini, the laptop is on
Monterey. SWMBO's is on Big Sur because it's an M1 Mini. That gives me a range
of OSes to test my software on, too. No particular reason to update otherwise.
I'm on Mojave. After that is IIRC Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey, and now Ventura.
Why not use numbers?
Then you'd know if a Monterey is better than a Mojave.
A city and a desert, WTF?
In article <OxTfL.1708148$[email protected]>, David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS
Ventura.
no.
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS Ventura.
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS >> Ventura.
no.
If the equipment is too old to update to Ventura, it should be replaced
with new or pre-owned modern machines.
The 'retired' equipment can be repurposed to run using Linux distros.
I have done this myself and run Linux Mint on mine.
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS Ventura.
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:57:34 -0000, David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS
Ventura.
Agreed.
It is a good bet to never ever do anything David suggests, including
reading his posts.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which
includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I
would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am >>> not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready.
Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>> Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
AFAIK they auto upgrade but don't auto update to a new system. Just as
well.
John.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie VandenberghOn my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should >>>> see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even
'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier >>>> if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit? >>
Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
And where d'ye find these magic words under Windows? Earlier today I was
looking for Windows Update. Was it under Administrative Tools? No. Was it
under Control Panel? No. Eventually I found it under Settings. Settings?
Yeah MS keeps redesigning their interface. I just open the start menu
and type what I'm looking for.
The so-called Start menu under Win10 is now so long that it is divided into >> sections by intial letter. This is because the Start menu is now full of shit
they have helpfully put there.
I don't use their start menu. I use startallback which makes it like
their wonderful invention they had back in about windows 7. I get two columns. On the left are the 30 (my choice of number) most recently
opened apps, with "all programs" at the bottom to get to anything else,
or I just type the name of it. On the right are techy things like
control panel. And I can choose what goes there if I don't like it.
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch
to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not. Along my taskbar are
only running apps, with the start button at one end and the clock at the other. Like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sy0aqc5dzloio01/taskbar2.jpg?dl=0
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:09:14 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 15:30:53 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:08:21 -0000, Jaimie VandenberghOn my Mac I do nothing at all and the snapshots get cleaned up for me.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 10:54:02 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
That may well be true, but as I pointed out elsewhere, Anne's iMac doesn't
show any problem and uses Time Machine in exactly the same way. For me that
is strong evidence that the missing disc space is not TM related.
You can check.
tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
Snapshots for disk /:
com.apple.TimeMachine.2022-11-22-160237.local
If you then
tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999 4
that'll clean off older ones. If you then check space again, you should >>>>> see something more akin to the obvious sums.
I can't seem to find a way to check how large the snapshots are. Even >>>>> 'diskutil apfs listSnapshots disk3s5' or your Data volume's identifier >>>>> if it's not disk3s5 like mine is, only shows a list not sizes.
On Windows I just click "disk cleanup". Why do you people buy such shit? >>>
Doesn't seem to be the case or this thread wouldn't exist.
I suspect that there was a malfunction of some sort on my iMac. I've never had a problem before, over many years of using TM.
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS Ventura.
Am 25.11.22 um 14:08 schrieb John Hill:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie. >>>>
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>>> Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
AFAIK they auto upgrade but don't auto update to a new system. Just as
well.
It s exactly vice versa. It automatically updates the running version if
you set the configuration accordingly and does not upgrade to a new
major release under any circumstances.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 23:57:34 GMT, ""David G. Brooks"" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS
Ventura.
David, in the course along life I have learned patience, tolerance and kindness to animals.
But I am afraid that you are beginning to irritate me.
"SHOULD"? Soon it will be MUST!
Come off it.
John.
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie.
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>> Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
AFAIK they auto upgrade but don't auto update to a new system. Just as
well.
Am 24.11.22 um 18:22 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Once more you show that you never used Apple MacOS. In the dock there is
a dot below the icon of active applications.
In addition with Command+Tab the user can rotate through all open applications.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 23:57:34 GMT, ""David G. Brooks"" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS
Ventura.
David, in the course along life I have learned patience, tolerance and kindness to animals.
On 25 Nov 2022 at 00:27:48 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:57:34 -0000, David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS >>> Ventura.
Agreed.
Two trolls agreeing with one another.
Am 25.11.22 um 14:08 schrieb John Hill:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0000, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2022 at 13:06:04 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
So I have a problem. What to do about it? The simple answer is to ignore it
until it really becomes a nuisance. Would some sort of Recovery which >>>>>> includes a drive erasure and restore from a backup clear it up? Or are >>>>>> there other options I could consider?
Being an impatient sort and not getting anywhere with investigations, I >>>>> would probably go for the sledgehammer option - erase and restore. But I am
not going to bully you into doing that!
Looks as though this will not be necessary after all, thanks to Jamie. >>>>
And David, I am NOT going to update to Ventura until I'm good and ready. >>>> Where's the rush?
Don't Macs autoupdate?
AFAIK they auto upgrade but don't auto update to a new system. Just as
well.
It s exactly vice versa. It automatically updates the running version if
you set the configuration accordingly and does not upgrade to a new
major release under any circumstances.
It s exactly vice versa. It automatically updates the running version if you set the configuration accordingly and does not upgrade to a new
major release under any circumstances.
But it will still auto tell you it's ready and you just click "yes". So near as damnit autoupdate.
But it will still auto tell you it's ready and you just click "yes". So near as damnit autoupdate.
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:32:59 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 24.11.22 um 18:22 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Once more you show that you never used Apple MacOS. In the dock there is
a dot below the icon of active applications.
I have, I know of the dot, and don't want a subtle difference. Better to just not have the thing there when it isn't running.
Am 25.11.22 um 21:12 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
But it will still auto tell you it's ready and you just click "yes". So near as damnit autoupdate.
No. You have no clue.
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:51:01 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 25 Nov 2022 at 00:27:48 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:57:34 -0000, David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS >>>> Ventura.
Agreed.
Two trolls agreeing with one another.
Two sensible folk you can't handle. Let's see your reasoning for avoiding the new features and bug fixes. Oh, don't you have one?
On 25 Nov 2022 at 20:09:28 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:32:59 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 24.11.22 um 18:22 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
I most certainly never ever use that stupid idea both MS and Apple had of having an icon on the taskbar/dock to both open the app and use to switch to it. Impossible to know if it's open or not.
Once more you show that you never used Apple MacOS. In the dock there is >>> a dot below the icon of active applications.
I have, I know of the dot, and don't want a subtle difference. Better to just not have the thing there when it isn't running.
No. That means that as apps come and go, you'd never know where they are on the Dock. So much for muscle memory. Piss poor UI.
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
On 25 Nov 2022 at 20:10:12 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:51:01 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 25 Nov 2022 at 00:27:48 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:57:34 -0000, David G. Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 24/11/2022 22:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why use an inferior version?
Everyone using a Mac SHOULD be using the current operating system, macOS >>>>> Ventura.
Agreed.
Two trolls agreeing with one another.
Two sensible folk you can't handle. Let's see your reasoning for avoiding the new features and bug fixes. Oh, don't you have one?
I look through the supposed feature set of the new release and decide.
If I were a Windows user I'd stay with WIn7. Much less bollocks, buttons that look like buttons, and no stupid ribbon on those versions of Office. Win10 and
later give you squares of text that *might* do something if you click them, but might well not. And so on.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 17:05:34 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Why are you here?
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff? You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and does the cleaning.
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:37:42 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
seperate
Lern to spel.
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:44:37 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:40:46 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff? You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >>> does the cleaning.
A friend I had with a Mac was obsessed with what he called "housekeeping" on his computer.
Anyway I was referring to the problem in the start of this thread with removing OS stuff.
Snapshot backups are hardly "OS stuff". And they are removed at need - this has already been pointed out. Anything else?
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 22:21:24 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:44:37 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:40:46 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff? You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >>>> does the cleaning.
A friend I had with a Mac was obsessed with what he called "housekeeping" on his computer.
Anyway I was referring to the problem in the start of this thread with removing OS stuff.
Snapshot backups are hardly "OS stuff". And they are removed at need - this >> has already been pointed out. Anything else?
Of course it's OS stuff!! Holy shit I can't believe you just wrote that. My photos and documents are my stuff. Technical things are OS stuff. The OS put it there! The OS should remove it to clear space for me!
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:40:46 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff? You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >> does the cleaning.
A friend I had with a Mac was obsessed with what he called "housekeeping" on his computer.
Anyway I was referring to the problem in the start of this thread with removing OS stuff.
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not?
If so, why have third party stuff?
You
do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and does the cleaning.
On 25 Nov 2022 at 22:43:40 GMT, nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, TimS
<[email protected]> wrote:
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >>> does the cleaning.
does she clean the dust off of the mac?
No she desn't do all rooms.
In article <[email protected]>, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >> does the cleaning.
does she clean the dust off of the mac?
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:40:46 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff?
You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >> does the cleaning.
A friend I had with a Mac was obsessed with what he called "housekeeping" on his computer.
Anyway I was referring to the problem in the start of this thread with removing OS stuff.
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 25 Nov 2022 at 22:43:40 GMT, nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, TimS
<[email protected]> wrote:
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >>>> does the cleaning.
does she clean the dust off of the mac?
No she desn't do all rooms.
Lucky you to be able to afford a cleaner ;-) DIY here although I prefer to clean my Macs (and my glasses *) anyway.
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:40:46 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff? >>>> You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >>> does the cleaning.
A friend I had with a Mac was obsessed with what he called "housekeeping" on his computer.
Anyway I was referring to the problem in the start of this thread with removing OS stuff.
As the OP I'd like to chip in here. The problem was very unusual in that I have never seen it before in many years of using Time Machine. Its cause
and solution have been found by people who *do* know what they are talking about, and it is now resolved. So far it has not resurfaced - I shall be looking out for it - and if it does, I know how to deal with it.
I have never found any need to "clean" a Mac in 37 years of use and don't expect to need to do so in the future.
The rest of this thread has been trolling and counter-trolling, name
calling and general bickering. Sad, in presumably adult contributors, isn't it?
On 26 Nov 2022 at 10:50:15 GMT, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:40:46 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff? >>>>> You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and >>>> does the cleaning.
A friend I had with a Mac was obsessed with what he called "housekeeping" on his computer.
Anyway I was referring to the problem in the start of this thread with removing OS stuff.
As the OP I'd like to chip in here. The problem was very unusual in that I >> have never seen it before in many years of using Time Machine. Its cause
and solution have been found by people who *do* know what they are talking >> about, and it is now resolved. So far it has not resurfaced - I shall be
looking out for it - and if it does, I know how to deal with it.
I have never found any need to "clean" a Mac in 37 years of use and don't
expect to need to do so in the future.
The rest of this thread has been trolling and counter-trolling, name
calling and general bickering. Sad, in presumably adult contributors, isn't >> it?
It's why I gave up entirely on Twitter. Fortunately it's rare on this NG.
On 2022-11-26, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 26 Nov 2022 at 10:50:15 GMT, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:40:46 -0000, TimS <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 25 Nov 2022 at 21:38:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:32:01 -0000, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 24.11.22 um 18:05 schrieb Commander Kinsey:
Don't Macs have built in cleaning? Primitive devices.
You have ZERO knowledge about Macs and macOS.
Irrelevant, do they have it or not? If so, why have third party stuff? >>>>>> You do have the answer, right?
Cleaning? Cleaning of what? We have a woman who comes every week or so and
does the cleaning.
A friend I had with a Mac was obsessed with what he called "housekeeping" on his computer.
Anyway I was referring to the problem in the start of this thread with removing OS stuff.
As the OP I'd like to chip in here. The problem was very unusual in that I >>> have never seen it before in many years of using Time Machine. Its cause >>> and solution have been found by people who *do* know what they are talking >>> about, and it is now resolved. So far it has not resurfaced - I shall be >>> looking out for it - and if it does, I know how to deal with it.
I have never found any need to "clean" a Mac in 37 years of use and don't >>> expect to need to do so in the future.
The rest of this thread has been trolling and counter-trolling, name
calling and general bickering. Sad, in presumably adult contributors, isn't >>> it?
It's why I gave up entirely on Twitter. Fortunately it's rare on this NG.
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as likely as pigs being able to fly. We could form a parallel ucsm chat room using a
different platform but I don't think that would be of much interest to the majority of regulars here.
On 21/11/2022 12:30, Chris wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a 2017 iMac with a 500GB SSD, running a fully updated Monterey.
The other day i came across an article that was discussing the disadvantages
of a nearly full drive. I''m a fairly light user, so I should be OK (or so
I
thought), but I decided to check anyway. So I used Get Info on the Hard Drive
icon and got 499.96GB capacity, 457,384,996,864 bytes used, 36.08GB available.
Alarmed find that I was at over 92% disc occupancy, and puzzled as to how I
could have used so much, I opened the icon and looked at the contents. Get
Info showed:
System 30,913,925,380
Library 4,979,636,561
Applications 15,049,090,767
Users 65,068,623,288
Total 116,011,275,996
That's a whopping 341,373,720,868 bytes (around 340GB) of memory unaccounted
for.
Some of it might be RAM cache. Does a reboot reduce usage a bit?
Now I do know that Apple hides stuff (including a secret volume of system software) from us plebs so idle fingers "do not itch to interfere in matters
which they do not understand", but I cannot believe that even a modern OS is
that big.
So I am left with two questions:
1. Where is all rhat memory hiding?
Get another programme to give you the details. I use DiskInventoryX.
2. Do I really need to worry about disc occupancy?
Yes. Having a disk running near capacity impacts overall performance.
What's the optimum amount of free space?
On 26. Nov 2022 at 15:06:57 CET, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as
likely as pigs being able to fly.
Well, you can self-moderate with filters.
Just filter the trolls (and the most constant troll feeders) and it´s
almost bearable :-)
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:
On 26. Nov 2022 at 15:06:57 CET, "Alan B"
<[email protected]d> wrote:
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as
likely as pigs being able to fly.
Well, you can self-moderate with filters.
Just filter the trolls (and the most constant troll feeders) and it´s
almost bearable :-)
Well yes that’s the problem - users responding to them making their unwanted input visible. However NewsTap seems quite good at filtering on message content so maybe that will become my main client from now on. Incidentally NewsTap also runs on Silicon Macs and it’s settings can be made to sync across devices.
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as likely as pigs being able to fly.
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:
On 26. Nov 2022 at 15:06:57 CET, "Alan B"
<[email protected]d> wrote:
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as
likely as pigs being able to fly.
Well, you can self-moderate with filters.
Just filter the trolls (and the most constant troll feeders) and it´s
almost bearable :-)
Well yes that’s the problem - users responding to them making their
unwanted input visible. However NewsTap seems quite good at filtering on
message content so maybe that will become my main client from now on.
Incidentally NewsTap also runs on Silicon Macs and it’s settings can be
made to sync across devices.
Grammatical error: “it’s” should be “its”, before some pedant corrects me
;-)
On 28 Nov 2022 at 07:42:43 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:
On 26. Nov 2022 at 15:06:57 CET, "Alan B"
<[email protected]d> wrote:
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as
likely as pigs being able to fly.
Well, you can self-moderate with filters.
Just filter the trolls (and the most constant troll feeders) and it´s >>>> almost bearable :-)
Well yes that’s the problem - users responding to them making their
unwanted input visible. However NewsTap seems quite good at filtering on >>> message content so maybe that will become my main client from now on.
Incidentally NewsTap also runs on Silicon Macs and it’s settings can be >>> made to sync across devices.
Grammatical error: “it’s” should be “its”, before some pedant corrects me
;-)
Drat! You got in first.
Grocer's apostrophe is one of my pet hates, too.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2022 at 07:42:43 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:
On 26. Nov 2022 at 15:06:57 CET, "Alan B"
<[email protected]d> wrote:
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as
likely as pigs being able to fly.
Well, you can self-moderate with filters.
Just filter the trolls (and the most constant troll feeders) and it´s >>>>> almost bearable :-)
Well yes that’s the problem - users responding to them making their >>>> unwanted input visible. However NewsTap seems quite good at filtering on >>>> message content so maybe that will become my main client from now on.
Incidentally NewsTap also runs on Silicon Macs and it’s settings can be >>>> made to sync across devices.
Grammatical error: “it’s” should be “its”, before some pedant corrects me
;-)
Drat! You got in first.
Grocer's apostrophe is one of my pet hates, too.
I think autocorrect is sometimes to blame for it. Well that’s my excuse anyway ;-)
On 28 Nov 2022 at 09:40:54 GMT, Alan B wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2022 at 07:42:43 GMT, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:
On 26. Nov 2022 at 15:06:57 CET, "Alan B"
<[email protected]d> wrote:
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as
likely as pigs being able to fly.
Well, you can self-moderate with filters.
Just filter the trolls (and the most constant troll feeders) and it´s >>>>>> almost bearable :-)
Well yes that’s the problem - users responding to them making their >>>>> unwanted input visible. However NewsTap seems quite good at filtering on >>>>> message content so maybe that will become my main client from now on. >>>>> Incidentally NewsTap also runs on Silicon Macs and it’s settings can be >>>>> made to sync across devices.
Grammatical error: “it’s” should be “its”, before some pedant corrects me
;-)
Drat! You got in first.
Grocer's apostrophe is one of my pet hates, too.
I think autocorrect is sometimes to blame for it. Well that’s my excuse
anyway ;-)
+1
:-)
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:
On 26. Nov 2022 at 15:06:57 CET, "Alan B"
<[email protected]d> wrote:
It's a pity this NG can't be transformed into a moderated form but that is as
likely as pigs being able to fly.
Well, you can self-moderate with filters.
Just filter the trolls (and the most constant troll feeders) and it´s
almost bearable :-)
Well yes that’s the problem - users responding to them making their unwanted input visible. However NewsTap seems quite good at filtering on message content so maybe that will become my main client from now on. Incidentally NewsTap also runs on Silicon Macs and its settings can be
made to sync across devices.
It is a good bet to never ever do anything David suggests, including
reading his posts.
On 06/12/2022 16:02, Alan B wrote:
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
It is a good bet to never ever do anything David suggests, including
reading his posts.
Plus other people who regularly reply favourably to him. I’ve just done a >> killfile update with that in mind including another cross posting user.
Exactly WHY are you so acrimonious, Alan?
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
It is a good bet to never ever do anything David suggests, including
reading his posts.
Plus other people who regularly reply favourably to him. I’ve just done a killfile update with that in mind including another cross posting user.
Am 06.12.22 um 17:16 schrieb David Brooks:
On 06/12/2022 16:02, Alan B wrote:
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
It is a good bet to never ever do anything David suggests, including
reading his posts.
Plus other people who regularly reply favourably to him. I’ve just done a >>> killfile update with that in mind including another cross posting user.
Exactly WHY are you so acrimonious, Alan?
Because you are double-invalid, Troll?
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