In article <thuob4$gt7h$[email protected]>, T i m <[email protected]>
wrote:
I appreciate this isn't the best place for this question but I was about
to put the new telephone number in Mums iPhone11 and before I hit Done,
I wondered what it might then do to her other iDevices (iPhone / iPad)
that were signed in and paired by the number in her iPhone5S?
it can affect imessage
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201349>
I appreciate this isn't the best place for this question but I was about
to put the new telephone number in Mums iPhone11 and before I hit Done,
I wondered what it might then do to her other iDevices (iPhone / iPad)
that were signed in and paired by the number in her iPhone5S?
On 09/10/2022 16:37, nospam wrote:
In article <thuob4$gt7h$[email protected]>, T i m <[email protected]>
wrote:
I appreciate this isn't the best place for this question but I was about >>> to put the new telephone number in Mums iPhone11 and before I hit Done,
I wondered what it might then do to her other iDevices (iPhone / iPad)
that were signed in and paired by the number in her iPhone5S?
it can affect imessage
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201349>
Is iMessage just TXT messages (she doesn't really use them).
Am 09.10.22 um 18:09 schrieb T i m:
On 09/10/2022 16:37, nospam wrote:
In article <thuob4$gt7h$[email protected]>, T i m <[email protected]>
wrote:
I appreciate this isn't the best place for this question but I was about >>>> to put the new telephone number in Mums iPhone11 and before I hit Done, >>>> I wondered what it might then do to her other iDevices (iPhone / iPad) >>>> that were signed in and paired by the number in her iPhone5S?
it can affect imessage
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201349>
Is iMessage just TXT messages (she doesn't really use them).
It is a full fledged instant-messenger with fotos, emojis and the like.
I deleted WhatsApp and use mostly iMessage. Technically very similar to
WA but not spying on your Mum.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207006
Thanks. ;-)
But no x-platorm support (?) so in our family she would be talking to herself? ;-(
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207006
Am 09.10.22 um 18:36 schrieb T i m:
Thanks. ;-)
But no x-platorm support (?) so in our family she would be talking to
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207006
herself? ;-(
Unfortunately it is exclusive to the Apple ecosystem. This is the
primary reason why WA is so successful.
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome
for you to keep her going.
Yeah, we (as a family) have been though MSN Messenger, ICQ, Skype and
now Whatsapp and the only issue with Whatapp for my Mum is likely to be
down to basic WiFi / Connectivity issues. The problem now is I'm not
just round the corner to sort out any glitches and they (Sister and BIL) aren't really interested in helping her out. ;-(
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome
for you to keep her going.
On Oct 9, 2022, T i m wrote
(in article <thv06k$1t6u$[email protected]>):
Yeah, we (as a family) have been though MSN Messenger, ICQ, Skype and
now Whatsapp and the only issue with Whatapp for my Mum is likely to be
down to basic WiFi / Connectivity issues. The problem now is I'm not
just round the corner to sort out any glitches and they (Sister and BIL)
aren't really interested in helping her out. ;-(
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome
for you to keep her going.
Use Signal. Does everything WhatsApp does, but with better privacy.
https://signal.org
On Oct 9, 2022, T i m wrote
(in article <thv06k$1t6u$[email protected]>):
Yeah, we (as a family) have been though MSN Messenger, ICQ, Skype and
now Whatsapp and the only issue with Whatapp for my Mum is likely to be
down to basic WiFi / Connectivity issues. The problem now is I'm not
just round the corner to sort out any glitches and they (Sister and BIL)
aren't really interested in helping her out. ;-(
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome
for you to keep her going.
Use Signal. Does everything WhatsApp does, but with better privacy.
https://signal.org
Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
On Oct 9, 2022, T i m wrote
(in article <thv06k$1t6u$[email protected]>):
Yeah, we (as a family) have been though MSN Messenger, ICQ, Skype and
now Whatsapp and the only issue with Whatapp for my Mum is likely to be
down to basic WiFi / Connectivity issues. The problem now is I'm not
just round the corner to sort out any glitches and they (Sister and BIL) >>> aren't really interested in helping her out. ;-(
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome >>>> for you to keep her going.
Use Signal. Does everything WhatsApp does, but with better privacy.
https://signal.org
Yes it looks like a great alternative but won’t I need to persuade those in my WhatsApp circle to change over.
On Oct 9, 2022, T i m wrote
(in article <thv06k$1t6u$[email protected]>):
Yeah, we (as a family) have been though MSN Messenger, ICQ, Skype and
now Whatsapp and the only issue with Whatapp for my Mum is likely to be
down to basic WiFi / Connectivity issues. The problem now is I'm not
just round the corner to sort out any glitches and they (Sister and BIL)
aren't really interested in helping her out. ;-(
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome
for you to keep her going.
Use Signal. Does everything WhatsApp does, but with better privacy.
https://signal.org
On 10/10/2022 13:33, Alan B wrote:
Yes it looks like a great alternative but won’t I need to persuade those inI think this is the biggest resistance to change in that likely everyone
my WhatsApp circle to change over.
that Mum talks to over Whatsapp also talks to loads of others via
Facebook / Whatsapp.
But you never know, we all used to talk to each other via ICQ, MSN
Messenger, Skype ...
On 10/10/2022 13:21, Martin S Taylor wrote:
On Oct 9, 2022, T i m wroteInstalled on my Samsung phone and W10 PC now.
(in article <thv06k$1t6u$[email protected]>):
Yeah, we (as a family) have been though MSN Messenger, ICQ, Skype and
now Whatsapp and the only issue with Whatapp for my Mum is likely to be
down to basic WiFi / Connectivity issues. The problem now is I'm not
just round the corner to sort out any glitches and they (Sister and BIL) >>> aren't really interested in helping her out. ;-(
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome >>>> for you to keep her going.
Use Signal. Does everything WhatsApp does, but with better privacy.
https://signal.org
Do we know if the iPad support for signal is 'native' as I don't think
the iPad support for Whatsapp is?
Also, might it be more tolerant to a linked device being disconnected if
it doesn't find the primary device online?
I'm thinking ahead that if it is more durable than whatsapp, I'm sure
the few people Mum regularly talks to wouldn't mind also running Signal,
if it means it's easier for Mum?
Cheers, T i m
Am 10.10.22 um 15:37 schrieb T i m:
On 10/10/2022 13:33, Alan B wrote:
Yes it looks like a great alternative but won’t I need to persuade those inI think this is the biggest resistance to change in that likely everyone
my WhatsApp circle to change over.
that Mum talks to over Whatsapp also talks to loads of others via
Facebook / Whatsapp.
But you never know, we all used to talk to each other via ICQ, MSN
Messenger, Skype ...
As I said I deleted WA long before.
I was surprised how willing people
were to follow to alernative services like Threema, Signal and Telegram.
Almost all our relatives use iPhones and that was certainly the easiest
part with iMessage.
In the meantime WA is forbidden for use in public schools, the armed
forces and certainly law enforcement in general.
Users understand more and more how problematic WA/Facebook are.
I have tested Signal video over WiFi and 4G and it seems fine for Mum to
have a video call when out and about (GPRS signal permitting).
Cheers, T i m
I have tested Signal video over WiFi and 4G and it seems fine for Mum to
have a video call when out and about (GPRS signal permitting).
On 10/10/2022 13:21, Martin S Taylor wrote:
On Oct 9, 2022, T i m wroteInstalled on my Samsung phone and W10 PC now.
(in article <thv06k$1t6u$[email protected]>):
Yeah, we (as a family) have been though MSN Messenger, ICQ, Skype and
now Whatsapp and the only issue with Whatapp for my Mum is likely to be
down to basic WiFi / Connectivity issues. The problem now is I'm not
just round the corner to sort out any glitches and they (Sister and BIL) >>> aren't really interested in helping her out. ;-(
If your Mum is used to WA leave that to her. It will be less burdensome >>>> for you to keep her going.
Use Signal. Does everything WhatsApp does, but with better privacy.
https://signal.org
Do we know if the iPad support for signal is 'native' as I don't think
the iPad support for Whatsapp is?
Also, might it be more tolerant to a linked device being disconnected
if it doesn't find the primary device online?
I'm thinking ahead that if it is more durable than whatsapp, I'm sure
the few people Mum regularly talks to wouldn't mind also running
Signal, if it means it's easier for Mum?
Cheers, T i m
WhatsApp is now available from the Apple App store!
Can you confirm it looks like a native iPad app?
Just use the iPad camera on the Phone QR code?
So the next question is if the iPad and or iPhone go offline or are
offline in any random combo, are you obliged to re-pair them?
Also I understand you may have to re-enter the PIN once a month (but
that might be settable)?
T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
Can you confirm it looks like a native iPad app?
More or less. The ipad has a 2 vertically split windows rather than a
single.
Just use the iPad camera on the Phone QR code?
Yes that’s correct.
So the next question is if the iPad and or iPhone go offline or are
offline in any random combo, are you obliged to re-pair them?
Seems not to be necessary in the limited tests I’ve done.
Also I understand you may have to re-enter the PIN once a month (but
that might be settable)?
It has a PIN reminder feature but this can be turned off.
MST will I hope correct me if I’ve got any of this wrong (given today is the first time I’ve used the app).
T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I have tested Signal video over WiFi and 4G and it seems fine for Mum to
have a video call when out and about (GPRS signal permitting).
Good!
I’ve set up Signal on my iPhone
and downloaded the app on my iPad.
I then
linked the devices.
Currently though I can only communicate with myself!!!
On 10/10/2022 17:08, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>
WhatsApp is now available from the Apple App store!Erm, I thought that's where I have always got it from but maybe it was a clone?
On 2022-10-10 19:42:55 +0000, T i m <[email protected]> said:
On 10/10/2022 17:08, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>
WhatsApp is now available from the Apple App store!Erm, I thought that's where I have always got it from but maybe it was a clone?
Cheers, T i m
There isn't a WA iPad app.
BTW, be aware of who you're replying to.
... Currently though I can only communicate with myself!!!
On 10/10/2022 17:08, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>
WhatsApp is now available from the Apple App store!Erm, I thought that's where I have always got it from but maybe it was a clone?
Cheers, T i m
This may help …..
<https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059792-Signal-PIN#pin_reminders>
T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
Can you confirm it looks like a native iPad app?
More or less. The ipad has a 2 vertically split windows rather than a
single.
Just use the iPad camera on the Phone QR code?
Yes that’s correct.
So the next question is if the iPad and or iPhone go offline or are
offline in any random combo, are you obliged to re-pair them?
Seems not to be necessary in the limited tests I’ve done.
Also I understand you may have to re-enter the PIN once a month (but
that might be settable)?
It has a PIN reminder feature but this can be turned off.
MST will I hope correct me if I’ve got any of this wrong (given today is the first time I’ve used the app).
On 10/10/2022 21:14, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
This may help …..Thanks Alan,
<https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059792-Signal-PIN#pin_reminders>
It sort of helps, as much as these things ever do for me. They are often
like a game of chess where each step can have an impact and be impacted
by other settings and you have to know what all they do (and how they interact) as well. ;-(
Like, if you go to turn off the PIN reminder thing it warns you that you could lose data (under some condition that I didn't fully understand the implications of) ... so I didn't.
Previously I thought I saw on the phone a list of repetition delay
periods going from Never to 14 days but can't find that again?
Many of the other parts of the guide read to me like some of the old PC
MoBo BIOS 'help' ...
Field: BIOS Oscillator Boost: On/Off
<help> This option allows you to turn the BIOS oscillator boost on or off.
;-)
I'm not saying it's not a good guide, just that you probably really need
to RT<entire>FM (several times) to be in full controll.
Previously I thought I saw on the phone a list of repetition delay
periods going from Never to 14 days but can't find that again?
Yes I couldn’t find that - will look again later today.
I'm not saying it's not a good guide, just that you probably really need
to RT<entire>FM (several times) to be in full controll.
No point if it’s not up to date as I suspect.
On 11/10/2022 09:09, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
Previously I thought I saw on the phone a list of repetition delay
periods going from Never to 14 days but can't find that again?
Yes I couldn’t find that - will look again later today.
I'll look again as well, I might have seen in on my Samsung so could be different on the iPhone (sometimes seems to happen).
T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
Can you confirm it looks like a native iPad app?
More or less. The ipad has a 2 vertically split windows rather than a
single.
Just use the iPad camera on the Phone QR code?
Yes that’s correct.
So the next question is if the iPad and or iPhone go offline or are
offline in any random combo, are you obliged to re-pair them?
Seems not to be necessary in the limited tests I’ve done.
Also I understand you may have to re-enter the PIN once a month (but
that might be settable)?
It has a PIN reminder feature but this can be turned off.
MST will I hope correct me if I’ve got any of this wrong (given today is the first time I’ve used the app).
I'm sure
the few people Mum regularly talks to wouldn't mind also running Signal,
if it means it's easier for Mum?
It has a PIN reminder feature but this can be turned off.
MST will I hope correct me if I’ve got any of this wrong (given today is >> the first time I’ve used the app).
The only thing I'm not sure is that the PIN reminder can be turned off. I still have to enter my PIN once a month, but that's not exactly a major hassle.
T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 09:09, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
Previously I thought I saw on the phone a list of repetition delay
periods going from Never to 14 days but can't find that again?
Yes I couldn’t find that - will look again later today.
I'll look again as well, I might have seen in on my Samsung so could be
different on the iPhone (sometimes seems to happen).
I’ve read the blurb again and I now believe the repetition delays are automatic and will cease on their own accord after 14 days. So you can’t adjust the nag periods at all. You could just let them timeout or cancel
the series completely.
On Oct 10, 2022, T i m wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
I'm sure
the few people Mum regularly talks to wouldn't mind also running Signal,
if it means it's easier for Mum?
I don't think your Mum will find Signal any *easier*, although privacy is much better, and it works better from a lap/desktop.
I think by easier there I mean the overall experience but especially
this disconnection problem she's suffered with Whatsapp (either her
iPhone5S going offline / flat and then her not being able to get on with
her iPad and then being forced to re-link the iPad that she can never
seem to remember how to do between goes.
On 12 Oct 2022 at 13:23:58 BST, "T i m" <[email protected]> wrote:
I think by easier there I mean the overall experience but especially
this disconnection problem she's suffered with Whatsapp (either her
iPhone5S going offline / flat and then her not being able to get on with
her iPad and then being forced to re-link the iPad that she can never
seem to remember how to do between goes.
The significant difference with Signal is that the iPad app doesn't
depend on the iPhone, so it won't disconnect if the iPhone goes flat
etc. So the whole scenario doesn't apply.
You do need to get all her other chatmates onto Signal though, which can range from hard to impossible.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 714 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 141:18:12 |
| Calls: | 12,087 |
| Files: | 14,998 |
| Messages: | 6,517,442 |