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    From Bruce Horrocks@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 26 19:39:53 2022
    If you have a Time Machine backup on Monterey (12.6) go into Contacts,
    select any card and then choose Time machine -> Enter Time Machine from
    the menu bar.

    You should then get the 'deck of cards' effect. Go back a short amount
    of time and, for me, the display changes to say "No cards" instead of
    the version of the card at that time.

    I get this even on a card that I've just changed, which is now worrying
    me that Contacts are not actually being backed-up.

    Does anyone else get this?

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to see
    if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour.

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Surrey, England

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  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to Bruce Horrocks on Mon Sep 26 20:07:04 2022
    On 26/09/2022 19:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
    If you have a Time Machine backup on Monterey (12.6) go into Contacts,
    select any card and then choose Time machine -> Enter Time Machine from
    the menu bar.

    You should then get the 'deck of cards' effect. Go back a short amount
    of time and, for me, the display changes to say "No cards" instead of
    the version of the card at that time.

    I get this even on a card that I've just changed, which is now worrying
    me that Contacts are not actually being backed-up.

    Does anyone else get this?

    Same. In fact every snapshot except the last one is empty.

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to see
    if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour.

    Hm, I'm syncing them via iCloud too.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Bruce Horrocks on Mon Sep 26 22:02:53 2022
    On 26/09/2022 19:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
    If you have a Time Machine backup on Monterey (12.6) go into Contacts,
    select any card and then choose Time machine -> Enter Time Machine from
    the menu bar.

    You should then get the 'deck of cards' effect. Go back a short amount
    of time and, for me, the display changes to say "No cards" instead of
    the version of the card at that time.

    I get this even on a card that I've just changed, which is now worrying
    me that Contacts are not actually being backed-up.

    Does anyone else get this?

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to see
    if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour.


    I get the same effect but I'm also syncing via iCloud.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Graeme Wall on Tue Sep 27 08:40:22 2022
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 22:02:53 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:

    On 26/09/2022 19:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
    If you have a Time Machine backup on Monterey (12.6) go into Contacts,
    select any card and then choose Time machine -> Enter Time Machine from
    the menu bar.

    You should then get the 'deck of cards' effect. Go back a short amount
    of time and, for me, the display changes to say "No cards" instead of
    the version of the card at that time.

    I get this even on a card that I've just changed, which is now worrying
    me that Contacts are not actually being backed-up.

    Does anyone else get this?

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to
    see if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour.


    I get the same effect but I'm also syncing via iCloud.

    +1

    According to this answer on Apple Discussions, if Contacts are set to use
    use iCloud sync, they are omitted from backup by TM.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251269624>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Alan B on Tue Sep 27 12:58:11 2022
    On 27/09/2022 09:40, Alan B wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 22:02:53 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:

    On 26/09/2022 19:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
    If you have a Time Machine backup on Monterey (12.6) go into Contacts,
    select any card and then choose Time machine -> Enter Time Machine from
    the menu bar.

    You should then get the 'deck of cards' effect. Go back a short amount
    of time and, for me, the display changes to say "No cards" instead of
    the version of the card at that time.

    I get this even on a card that I've just changed, which is now worrying
    me that Contacts are not actually being backed-up.

    Does anyone else get this?

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to
    see if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour.


    I get the same effect but I'm also syncing via iCloud.

    +1

    According to this answer on Apple Discussions, if Contacts are set to use
    use iCloud sync, they are omitted from backup by TM.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251269624>


    Specifically go to: <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-ipad/mm1d9cfdb498/1.0/icloud/1.0>

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Bruce Horrocks@21:1/5 to Graeme Wall on Tue Sep 27 17:26:54 2022
    On 27/09/2022 12:58, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 09:40, Alan B wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 22:02:53 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:

    On 26/09/2022 19:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
    If you have a Time Machine backup on Monterey (12.6) go into Contacts, >>>> select any card and then choose Time machine -> Enter Time Machine from >>>> the menu bar.

    You should then get the 'deck of cards' effect. Go back a short amount >>>> of time and, for me, the display changes to say "No cards" instead of
    the version of the card at that time.

    I get this even on a card that I've just changed, which is now worrying >>>> me that Contacts are not actually being backed-up.

    Does anyone else get this?

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to
    see if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour.


    I get the same effect but I'm also syncing via iCloud.

    +1

    According to this answer on Apple Discussions, if Contacts are set to use
    use iCloud sync, they are omitted from backup by TM.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251269624>


    Specifically go to: <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-ipad/mm1d9cfdb498/1.0/icloud/1.0>

    Thanks for that Graeme.

    So restore is now by date and the only way to see what you're actually restoring is to first do a restore, and then see if the record you
    wanted was restored? If not then repeat. :-(

    Not sure why they couldn't be saved in Time Machine as well - it's not
    as if the Contacts list is going to be many TBs of disk?

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Surrey, England

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 27 19:14:08 2022
    Am 27.09.22 um 18:26 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
    So restore is now by date and the only way to see what you're actually restoring is to first do a restore, and then see if the record you
    wanted was restored? If not then repeat. :-(

    Not sure why they couldn't be saved in Time Machine as well - it's not
    as if the Contacts list is going to be many TBs of disk?

    Because ist simply redundant and can cause unwanted confusion down the road?

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Bruce Horrocks on Tue Sep 27 17:24:57 2022
    On 2022-09-27, Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 12:58, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 09:40, Alan B wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 22:02:53 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:

    On 26/09/2022 19:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
    If you have a Time Machine backup on Monterey (12.6) go into Contacts, >>>>> select any card and then choose Time machine -> Enter Time Machine from >>>>> the menu bar.

    You should then get the 'deck of cards' effect. Go back a short amount >>>>> of time and, for me, the display changes to say "No cards" instead of >>>>> the version of the card at that time.

    I get this even on a card that I've just changed, which is now worrying >>>>> me that Contacts are not actually being backed-up.

    Does anyone else get this?

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to >>>>> see if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour. >>>>>

    I get the same effect but I'm also syncing via iCloud.

    +1

    According to this answer on Apple Discussions, if Contacts are set to use >>> use iCloud sync, they are omitted from backup by TM.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251269624>


    Specifically go to:
    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-ipad/mm1d9cfdb498/1.0/icloud/1.0>

    Thanks for that Graeme.

    So restore is now by date and the only way to see what you're actually restoring is to first do a restore, and then see if the record you
    wanted was restored? If not then repeat. :-(

    Not sure why they couldn't be saved in Time Machine as well - it's not
    as if the Contacts list is going to be many TBs of disk?

    You can of course export your contacts to an archive file (e.g.
    Contacts - 27-09-2022.abbu) and save it in your Documents folders
    which will then get backed up by TM.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Richard Tobin@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 27 17:44:39 2022
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:

    I have Contacts set to synch via iCloud - it would be interesting to see
    if anyone who doesn't use iCloud experiences the same behaviour.

    It's the same for me, and I have my contacts synced with Google.

    -- Richard

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  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to Alan B on Wed Sep 28 05:22:20 2022
    On 27/09/2022 18:24, Alan B wrote:
    On 2022-09-27, Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:
    Not sure why they couldn't be saved in Time Machine as well - it's not
    as if the Contacts list is going to be many TBs of disk?

    You can of course export your contacts to an archive file (e.g.
    Contacts - 27-09-2022.abbu) and save it in your Documents folders
    which will then get backed up by TM.

    I was going to suggest selecting all contacts and exporting to vCard
    (vcf) format as a workaround. You can probably script it. Vcard is a
    standard textual format.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 28 13:14:22 2022
    On 27 Sep 2022 at 17:26:54 BST, "Bruce Horrocks" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Not sure why they couldn't be saved in Time Machine as well - it's not
    as if the Contacts list is going to be many TBs of disk?

    I'd guess they didn't want to do all the coding needed to cope with the condition "you restored from TM but you're synced with iCloud and the
    restored entries are older than the iCloud ones but you want them but
    aargh"

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    If you can't measure it, it's not science.

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Wed Sep 28 18:00:02 2022
    Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    On 27 Sep 2022 at 17:26:54 BST, "Bruce Horrocks" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Not sure why they couldn't be saved in Time Machine as well - it's not
    as if the Contacts list is going to be many TBs of disk?

    I'd guess they didn't want to do all the coding needed to cope with the condition "you restored from TM but you're synced with iCloud and the restored entries are older than the iCloud ones but you want them but
    aargh"

    But surely that applies to all files, not just items in Contacts?

    --
    Graham J

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