• Stage Manager

    From Alan B@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 12 07:43:37 2022
    I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
    Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
    your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
    expect next month when Ventura launches.

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From TimH@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Sep 12 09:54:40 2022
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to expect next month when Ventura launches.

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

    I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.

    For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows relating to a project on another, etc etc.

    But I suspect I'm missing something..?
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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to TimH on Mon Sep 12 10:07:23 2022
    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook >> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on >> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
    expect next month when Ventura launches.

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

    I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.

    For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows relating to a project on another, etc etc.

    But I suspect I'm missing something..?

    For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps I should
    have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare the two
    approaches.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Sep 12 12:21:40 2022
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 11:07:23 BST, Alan B wrote:

    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook >>> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on >>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
    expect next month when Ventura launches.

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

    I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that >> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.

    For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
    implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard >> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows >> relating to a project on another, etc etc.

    But I suspect I'm missing something..?


    Having just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hUk0zsxc4 (Spaces tutorial) Stage Manager looks like a prettier way of doing Spaces on just one desktop. I think.

    For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps I should
    have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare the two
    approaches.

    No, me neither, but I think I'll take a look - looks handy.

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    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Sep 12 12:19:56 2022
    On 2022-09-12, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B" >><[email protected]d> wrote:

    I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook >>> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on >>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
    expect next month when Ventura launches.

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

    I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that >> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.

    For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
    implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard >> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows >> relating to a project on another, etc etc.

    But I suspect I'm missing something..?

    For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps I should
    have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare the two
    approaches.

    OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that, e.g. It minimises
    Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at the Dock,
    especially if the latter auto hides. It was nice to discover that you can still cut/copy
    & paste and use dragging with SM active. It's an evolving technology so lots of features
    to explore both now and in future releases.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to RJH on Mon Sep 12 12:25:17 2022
    RJH <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 11:07:23 BST, Alan B wrote:

    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
    Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on >>>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to >>>> expect next month when Ventura launches.

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

    I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that >>> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.

    For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
    implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard >>> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
    relating to a project on another, etc etc.

    But I suspect I'm missing something..?


    Having just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hUk0zsxc4 (Spaces tutorial) Stage Manager looks like a prettier way of doing Spaces on just one desktop. I think.

    For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps
    I should
    have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare >> the two
    approaches.

    No, me neither, but I think I'll take a look - looks handy.

    You can of course use both Spaces and SM at the same time.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Sep 12 14:14:10 2022
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that, >>> e.g. It minimises
    Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at >>> the Dock,
    especially if the latter auto hides.

    Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space
    instead of the Dock?

    I can see the other open app icons on the Desktop whether the Dock is hidden or not, if
    that was what you meant?

    I guess I should refer to the icons I see on the Desktop as Cast Members representing the windows of the open apps other than the one I’m currently using?

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to TimH on Mon Sep 12 14:06:35 2022
    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that, >> e.g. It minimises
    Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at >> the Dock,
    especially if the latter auto hides.

    Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space instead of the Dock?

    I can see the other open app icons on the Desktop whether the Dock is hidden or not, if
    that was what you meant?

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From TimH@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Sep 12 13:19:43 2022
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that, e.g. It minimises
    Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at the Dock,
    especially if the latter auto hides.

    Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space instead of the Dock?
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    TimH
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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to RJH on Mon Sep 12 20:07:19 2022
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 13:21:40 BST, "RJH" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 12 Sep 2022 at 11:07:23 BST, Alan B wrote:

    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
    Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on >>>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to >>>> expect next month when Ventura launches.

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

    I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that >>> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.

    For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
    implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard >>> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
    relating to a project on another, etc etc.

    But I suspect I'm missing something..?


    Having just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hUk0zsxc4 (Spaces tutorial) Stage Manager looks like a prettier way of doing Spaces on just one desktop. I think.


    I had a play with it over the weekend, and yes - but I've already
    settled into Spaces and fullscreen apps, so it's a retrograde sort of prettiness.

    I imagine it'll be helpful for people switching between a MacBook and an
    iPad Pro a lot, unifying the UI a little.

    Cheers - Jaimie
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    Politicians are not born, they are excreted
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  • From TimH@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Sep 12 20:16:54 2022
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 3:06:35 pm BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2022-09-12, TimH <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that, >>> e.g. It minimises
    Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at >>> the Dock,
    especially if the latter auto hides.

    Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space
    instead of the Dock?

    I can see the other open app icons on the Desktop whether the Dock is hidden or not, if
    that was what you meant?

    Yes. It looks from Howard Oakley's screenshots as though the column of Cast members (really not sure about this theatrical theme :) takes up at least as much space as the Dock would. I suppose if they get round to enabling kb shortcuts for all this you won't need the Cast to be visible, but again, I can't see the advantage over Spaces.
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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Sat Oct 29 11:37:48 2022
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    I had a play with it over the weekend, and yes - but I've already
    settled into Spaces and fullscreen apps, so it's a retrograde sort of
    prettiness.

    I imagine it'll be helpful for people switching between a MacBook and an
    iPad Pro a lot, unifying the UI a little.

    I'm trying it out, but the damn thing is so inconsistent, like many new features introduced by Apple.

    I have Final Cut Pro constantly running in a separate space, and Stage Manager is entirely inconsistent with whether it appears in the 'Cast List' or not. Likewise inconsistent whether clicking on an app with more than one window will bring up all the windows or just one.

    In principle I like it, but there's so much that I'm amazed wasn't ironed out in beta testing.

    Hopefully feedback Apple get from ‘ordinary’ users will result in improvements in the next deltas of Ventura. I use it occasionally but
    rarely have enough apps running concurrently to warrant its use.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Sat Oct 29 12:30:50 2022
    On 12 Sep 2022, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    I had a play with it over the weekend, and yes - but I've already
    settled into Spaces and fullscreen apps, so it's a retrograde sort of prettiness.

    I imagine it'll be helpful for people switching between a MacBook and an
    iPad Pro a lot, unifying the UI a little.

    I'm trying it out, but the damn thing is so inconsistent, like many new features introduced by Apple.

    I have Final Cut Pro constantly running in a separate space, and Stage
    Manager is entirely inconsistent with whether it appears in the 'Cast List'
    or not. Likewise inconsistent whether clicking on an app with more than one window will bring up all the windows or just one.

    In principle I like it, but there's so much that I'm amazed wasn't ironed out in beta testing.

    MST

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Sat Oct 29 16:22:22 2022
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    I had a play with it over the weekend, and yes - but I've already
    settled into Spaces and fullscreen apps, so it's a retrograde sort of
    prettiness.

    I imagine it'll be helpful for people switching between a MacBook and an
    iPad Pro a lot, unifying the UI a little.

    I'm trying it out, but the damn thing is so inconsistent, like many new features introduced by Apple.

    I have Final Cut Pro constantly running in a separate space, and Stage Manager is entirely inconsistent with whether it appears in the 'Cast List' or not. Likewise inconsistent whether clicking on an app with more than one window will bring up all the windows or just one.

    In principle I like it, but there's so much that I'm amazed wasn't ironed out in beta testing.

    Hmm, yes, I’m not liking it much here too, on my 202 12.9” iPad Pro. It is definitely inconsistent, with some views being cropped, and seemingly impossible to see the copped parts.

    Also, for some reason, the Display Scaling feature introduced in 16.1 etc,
    also does not apply to a non Mx series iPad Pro 12.9”. But is is available
    on all models of 11” iPad Pro (confirmed by a user in another forum with a 1st gen 11”).

    I suspect if that was available to my iPad mode, the cropping issue would
    be resolved.

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    Andy H

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Sat Oct 29 16:24:00 2022
    Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2022, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    I had a play with it over the weekend, and yes - but I've already
    settled into Spaces and fullscreen apps, so it's a retrograde sort of
    prettiness.

    I imagine it'll be helpful for people switching between a MacBook and an >>> iPad Pro a lot, unifying the UI a little.

    I'm trying it out, but the damn thing is so inconsistent, like many new
    features introduced by Apple.

    I have Final Cut Pro constantly running in a separate space, and Stage
    Manager is entirely inconsistent with whether it appears in the 'Cast List' >> or not. Likewise inconsistent whether clicking on an app with more than one >> window will bring up all the windows or just one.

    In principle I like it, but there's so much that I'm amazed wasn't ironed out
    in beta testing.

    Hmm, yes, I’m not liking it much here too, on my 202 12.9” iPad Pro.

    Sorry that should have appeared as 2020 12.9” iPad Pro.

    --
    Andy H

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