Am 03.09.22 um 09:33 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

Are you really surprised?
[email protected]d

From which domain are you sending these mails?

I give you a hint: I never send mails to Gmail-addresses because I want
to prevent profiling by Google.

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On 3 Sep 2022 at 08:33:45 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

If you haven't already seen this it may be useful. There is a possible link at the bottom to contact Google for help. <https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en__>
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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

Liz,

We discussed this some time ago. Did you ever get SPF set up on your
domain? Also worth considering DMARC or DKIM. If you can't get proper
support for this from your hosting service, it might be worth changing
to another.

Without these anti-spam measures in place most self-respecting email
services will reject your emails.

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Graham J

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Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Am 03.09.22 um 09:44 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:

Am 03.09.22 um 09:33 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail
addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

Are you really surprised?
[email protected]d

From which domain are you sending these mails?

I give you a hint: I never send mails to Gmail-addresses because I want
to prevent profiling by Google.

BTW: Are you sending your mails from this domain:
https://poppyrecords.co.uk/ ?

If yes then ask the domain owner.

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On 03/09/2022 08:33, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

Do you actually get a non-delivery report from gmail, or do your mails
just silently never get delivered? If you get an NDR there may be some
specific information in it which could be helpful.

As Graham suggested setting up an SPF record, using DKIM/DMARC/whatever
the flavour of the month is wrt reducing mail spam: all of those will
generally help and improve your SMTP "reputation".

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Chris

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Ray <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3 Sep 2022 at 08:33:45 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

If you haven't already seen this it may be useful. There is a possible link at
the bottom to contact Google for help. <https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en__>

It truncates the URL and diverts me back to a sign-in page.


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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

Liz,

We discussed this some time ago. Did you ever get SPF set up on your
domain? Also worth considering DMARC or DKIM. If you can't get proper support for this from your hosting service, it might be worth changing
to another.

There is an issue with my e-mailer communicating with my ISP, so I
cannot use all the latest updates.

Without these anti-spam measures in place most self-respecting email
services will reject your emails.

Only gmail seems to be rejecting them.

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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 03.09.22 um 09:44 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:

Am 03.09.22 um 09:33 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail
addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

Are you really surprised?
[email protected]d

From which domain are you sending these mails?

I give you a hint: I never send mails to Gmail-addresses because I want
to prevent profiling by Google.

BTW: Are you sending your mails from this domain:
https://poppyrecords.co.uk/ ?

No, it isn't https.


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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail
addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

Liz,

We discussed this some time ago. Did you ever get SPF set up on your
domain? Also worth considering DMARC or DKIM. If you can't get proper
support for this from your hosting service, it might be worth changing
to another.

There is an issue with my e-mailer communicating with my ISP, so I
cannot use all the latest updates.

SPF, DMARC and DKIM are set up in the DNS of your website's hosting
service, so have nothing to do with your emailer.

Without these anti-spam measures in place most self-respecting email
services will reject your emails.

Only gmail seems to be rejecting them.

Shows how bad all the others are.



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Graham J

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Ray <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3 Sep 2022 at 08:33:45 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail
addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address.
I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through.

Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

If you haven't already seen this it may be useful. There is a possible link at
the bottom to contact Google for help.
<https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en__>

It truncates the URL and diverts me back to a sign-in page.

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

The URL explains SPF, DKIM, and DMARC, but there are other references
that you should be able to find.

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Graham J

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Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

There is an issue with my e-mailer communicating with my ISP, so I
cannot use all the latest updates.

SPF, DMARC and DKIM are set up in the DNS of your website's hosting
service, so have nothing to do with your emailer.

Possibly one issue here is if Liz is sending emails with
From: blah@poppyrecords co uk

but sending that via her ISP (BT or whoever), rather than the place the poppyrecords.co.uk domain is hosted. That is liable to trip DMARC/etc.

The solution to this is to ask the people who host poppyrecords if they also offer an outgoing SMTP service, and to use that rather than the BT SMTP
server. They would set up a DMARC record in the domain's DNS to assert that genuine emails will always come from their server.

Most mail clients these days can use a different SMTP server
depending on which account you're sending from, so it's fairly
straightforward to configure. Older clients may be more difficult if they
only offer a single SMTP sending route.

Without these anti-spam measures in place most self-respecting email
services will reject your emails.

Only gmail seems to be rejecting them.

Shows how bad all the others are.

It's a risk calculation, but big mail services like Hotmail and Gmail bear
the brunt of a lot of spam and tend to have a trigger-happy approach to
dealing with it. Smaller outfits may be less affected, and also less
willing to lose emails if the sender isn't correctly configured (eg for B2B transactions where receiving business-critical emails is more important than mailserver niceties).

Theo

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Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Ray <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3 Sep 2022 at 08:33:45 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked
have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail >>> addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address. >>> I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through. >>>
Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

If you haven't already seen this it may be useful. There is a possible
link at the bottom to contact Google for help.
<https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en__>

It truncates the URL and diverts me back to a sign-in page.

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Mac Pro OS 10.7.5
Firefox Legacy 68.12.Op3 in Privacy mode.

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

Typing it in because e-mails are handled by a G3 which the MacPro won't communicate with.


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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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In article <tev0lg$pro9$[email protected]>, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:

I give you a hint: I never send mails to Gmail-addresses because I want
to prevent profiling by Google.

private domains can use gmail for email hosting or just spam filtering,
so that's not a guarantee of anything.

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On 03/09/2022 11:49, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Ray <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3 Sep 2022 at 08:33:45 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

Most of the problems I had a while ago with my e-mails being blocked >>>>> have resolved themselves without any action on my part, however, gmail >>>>> addresses are still blocking e-mail that I send from my normal address. >>>>> I have to use a redundant Plusnet address in order to get them through. >>>>>
Is there a way of communicating this to gmail and getting them
unblocked?

If you haven't already seen this it may be useful. There is a possible >>>> link at the bottom to contact Google for help.
<https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en__>

It truncates the URL and diverts me back to a sign-in page.

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Mac Pro OS 10.7.5
Firefox Legacy 68.12.Op3 in Privacy mode.

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

Typing it in because e-mails are handled by a G3 which the MacPro won't communicate with.

Try here, Liz.

https://support.google.com/a/thread/new?

HTH

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Mac Pro OS 10.7.5
Firefox Legacy 68.12.Op3 in Privacy mode.

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

Typing it in because e-mails are handled by a G3 which the MacPro won't communicate with.

Probably a typo ...

Which machine do you use for the newsreader? It should be possible to
read news via a web page using the Mac Pro, which would then mean you
could use the hyperlink directly.

Others here will no doubt suggest how in more detail.


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Graham J

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Am 03.09.22 um 12:40 schrieb nospam:

In article <tev0lg$pro9$[email protected]>, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:

I give you a hint: I never send mails to Gmail-addresses because I want
to prevent profiling by Google.

private domains can use gmail for email hosting or just spam filtering,
so that's not a guarantee of anything.

It is with an extremely high degree of probability.
First check the delivering server before you answer.
And most of these super-smart user relay their mails over Hotmail, Yahoo
or other mass mailers? *ROTFLSTC*

There are no guarantees in life at all. Everything is a matter of
probability.

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Liz,

We discussed this some time ago. Did you ever get SPF set up on your
domain? Also worth considering DMARC or DKIM. If you can't get proper >>>> support for this from your hosting service, it might be worth changing >>>> to another.

There is an issue with my e-mailer communicating with my ISP, so I
cannot use all the latest updates.

SPF, DMARC and DKIM are set up in the DNS of your website's hosting
service, so have nothing to do with your emailer.

As I understand it, the updated software package that allows my provider
to use the latest security systems won't accept e-mails from my
e-mailer. The two may not be directly linked, but they cannot be
separated in that particular package.

No, they are completely separate. Please go and research this.

Your email provider (possibly the same organisation that hosts your
website, but not necesarily) adds the DMARC and DKIM parameters to
outgoing messages sent through it, and provides the SPF record via the
DNS system.

Any modern email client should be able to send outgoing messages via
your email provider. If you don't have a modern email client your email provider might offer a webmail facility.

What do you mean by e-mailer? I suspect you mean the mail client
running on your G3 Mac, in which case it may well be so out of date that
it won't communicate with a modern email hosting service.

The only rational solution to this is to modernise ... Why not use the
Mac Pro for emails?

If you give specific details of the email addresses, service providers,
and the machines & apps you use, then somebody here might be able to
offer a resolution.

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Graham J

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Am 03.09.22 um 12:49 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Mac Pro OS 10.7.5
Firefox Legacy 68.12.Op3 in Privacy mode.

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

Typing it in because e-mails are handled by a G3 which the MacPro won't communicate with.

Why so complicated and why so very very vintage hard- and software?


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Am 03.09.22 um 15:57 schrieb Graham J:

The only rational solution to this is to modernise ... Why not use the
Mac Pro for emails?

If you give specific details of the email addresses, service providers,
and the machines & apps you use, then somebody here might be able to
offer a resolution.

That is exactly the issue.
Liz seems unwilling to give the necessary information.



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Am 03.09.22 um 17:28 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Why so complicated and why so very very vintage hard- and software?

I have nearly 25 years-worth of e-mails and other documentation on the
G3, it represents a considerable investment of my time and I am not
willing to throw it away in the cause of 'modernisation' for which I
have no requirements.

There are fairly simple solutions to export/import your mails.

The MacPro allows me the very limited amount of web browsing I need
(until they change the standards yet again) and the G3 does all the rest
of my work very efficiently without the need for upgrades.

You run the risk that this very old machine(s) one day collapse and
never restarts again. Look for a more robust solution.

I have a large quantity of spare hardware and various backup strategies, which should keep the system running for as long as I shall need it.

Let's hope for the best!

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Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 03.09.22 um 12:49 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Mac Pro OS 10.7.5
Firefox Legacy 68.12.Op3 in Privacy mode.

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

Typing it in because e-mails are handled by a G3 which the MacPro won't communicate with.

Why so complicated and why so very very vintage hard- and software?

I have nearly 25 years-worth of e-mails and other documentation on the
G3, it represents a considerable investment of my time and I am not
willing to throw it away in the cause of 'modernisation' for which I
have no requirements.

The MacPro allows me the very limited amount of web browsing I need
(until they change the standards yet again) and the G3 does all the rest
of my work very efficiently without the need for upgrades.

I have a large quantity of spare hardware and various backup strategies,
which should keep the system running for as long as I shall need it.

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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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In article <tevn6l$q9c7$[email protected]>, Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:

I give you a hint: I never send mails to Gmail-addresses because I want
to prevent profiling by Google.

private domains can use gmail for email hosting or just spam filtering,
so that's not a guarantee of anything.

It is with an extremely high degree of probability.
First check the delivering server before you answer.

how are you going to know what others use for email hosting, or if they
route email through gmail for spam filtering?

you also have no way to control others from emailing you using a gmail
address or via a site that uses it for email.

And most of these super-smart user relay their mails over Hotmail, Yahoo
or other mass mailers? *ROTFLSTC*

nobody said that.

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Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Mac Pro OS 10.7.5
Firefox Legacy 68.12.Op3 in Privacy mode.

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

Typing it in because e-mails are handled by a G3 which the MacPro won't communicate with.

Probably a typo ...

Yes, it was. I can now read the page, but I'm not sure which of their
options applies to my situation. I certainly haven't included any code, advertising messages or hyperlinks in the messages that have been
rejected. They are accepted if they come from a different address, even
if that is one of several sending addresses used at the same time.

Which machine do you use for the newsreader?

The G3. MacSOUP 2.4.6

It should be possible to
read news via a web page using the Mac Pro, which would then mean you
could use the hyperlink directly.

Others here will no doubt suggest how in more detail.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of doing that.


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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 03.09.22 um 17:28 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Why so complicated and why so very very vintage hard- and software?

I have nearly 25 years-worth of e-mails and other documentation on the
G3, it represents a considerable investment of my time and I am not
willing to throw it away in the cause of 'modernisation' for which I
have no requirements.

There are fairly simple solutions to export/import your mails.

Some years ago a employers forced me to use a more modern e-mail client,
it wasted so much of my time with a counter-intuitive filing system and
other restriction that I came to detest it. All the e-mailers I have
seen since appear to be based on this same fudamental model and I would
not use them if they were given to me.

My e-mail client works in plain text, it has no anti-virus software and
has never needed any in the whole time I have been using it. Modern
e-mailers are vulnerable to HTML and all that comes with it.

The MacPro allows me the very limited amount of web browsing I need
(until they change the standards yet again) and the G3 does all the rest
of my work very efficiently without the need for upgrades.

You run the risk that this very old machine(s) one day collapse and
never restarts again. Look for a more robust solution.

If I had to use OSX for my work, I would stop using a computer
altogether. The software to replace what I already use would cost a
fortune and still wouldn't do the whole job.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 03.09.22 um 12:49 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

It works here. What computer & browser are you using? Could you try
some alternatives?

Mac Pro OS 10.7.5
Firefox Legacy 68.12.Op3 in Privacy mode.

Are you typing in the URL or letting the hyperlink open your browser?

Typing it in because e-mails are handled by a G3 which the MacPro won't
communicate with.

Why so complicated and why so very very vintage hard- and software?

I have nearly 25 years-worth of e-mails and other documentation on the
G3, it represents a considerable investment of my time and I am not
willing to throw it away in the cause of 'modernisation' for which I
have no requirements.

The MacPro allows me the very limited amount of web browsing I need
(until they change the standards yet again) and the G3 does all the rest
of my work very efficiently without the need for upgrades.

I have a large quantity of spare hardware and various backup strategies, which should keep the system running for as long as I shall need it.

Sadly, a good backup strategy and spare hardware are not enough. In time everything else will move on, so you won't be able to deal with emails
or view websites.

I hope for your sake that Royal Mail continues to exist and that you
will be able to afford their postage stamps. And that you have good handwriting - 'cos I doubt you will be able to keep a printer working
(and in ink) to use with your legacy equipment.

---------------

Realistically, and assuming you want to send email from <name>@poppyrecords.co.uk please tell us:

Why no MX record?
Why no SPF record?

This information is evident via the publicly available DNS mechanism.
You can check it yourself: others here will be able to point you to a
DNS lookup tool that will run on your Mac Pro, or a website that you can
use.

Your email hosting service should be able to correct this for you, and
it should not affect the way your G3 mail client communicates with their
mail server.

In particular, a correctly configured SPF record should ensure mail is
received by all mail servers, so should resolve the problem you
originally posted about.

--
Graham J

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Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:

My e-mail client works in plain text, it has no anti-virus software and
has never needed any in the whole time I have been using it. Modern e-mailers are vulnerable to HTML and all that comes with it.

If I had to use OSX for my work, I would stop using a computer
altogether. The software to replace what I already use would cost a
fortune and still wouldn't do the whole job.

RISC OS users are no stranger to using 20/30 year old software, and it generally works ok. What they do for email is separate the program that down/up loads the mail from the interface used to read it. The fetchers get updated, but you can still use older reading and composing software.

In your case, I wonder if there's any software you could run on the G3 that handles email dispatch: your mail client puts mails in a particular folder,
the dispatcher picks it up and uses modern protocols to transmit. Or, you
run a proxy on OSX that you configure as the SMTP server in your G3 mail
client - the proxy receives the mail and then talks modern protocols to a
new mail server.

I'm not sure what the state of MacOS software is like to do that, but maybe there is? (Or, running on a Raspberry Pi or similar if you don't want the MacPro to be running)

Theo

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