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GCN Group, the largest B2B channel network, announced today a global
strategic partnership with Malwarebytes, a provider of real-time cyber protection. As part of the partnership, Malwarebytes’ advanced endpoint protection and remediation solutions will be made available to MSPs
through GCN Group’s global network spanning six continents.

“We are excited to add Malwarebytes to our vendor portfolio and offer
its industry-leading cloud-based security and cyber protection solutions
to our wider network. With the increasing threat of ransomware,
Malwarebytes’ endpoint protection and incident response solutions will
enable us to better support organizations with limited resources so they
can successfully combat malware and manage endpoints at scale,” said
Gerard Uson, Global Business Development Director of GCN Group.

As constrained IT and security teams, limited resources, and increased
threat volume continues to stress the security of all businesses, small
and mid-sized businesses (SMBs) are particularly vulnerable. The
collaboration between GNC Global and Malwarebytes equips SMBs with
robust endpoint detection and response (EDR), endpoint protection (EP)
and Incident Response (IR) tools, that automate advanced defenses and
rapidly resolve incidents for ongoing resilience.

“Easily accessible, quality cybersecurity is core to consumer trust and successful business practices,” said Brian Thomas, Vice President of Worldwide MSP and Channel Programs for Malwarebytes. “We are committed
to bringing real-time protection along with best-in-class remediation to organizations of all sizes. Our partnership with GCN Group re-enforces
our commitment to SMBs while also significantly broadening our reach.”

The following cloud-based security management and services is offered
through GCN Group:

Endpoint Protection (EP) – Complete protection and remediation that
predicts threats, proactively blocks attacks, and stops breaches before
they surface.
Endpoint Detection and Response (EDR) – Proactive protection that
detects suspicious activity, isolates attacks, investigates threats, and automatically remediates.
Incident Response (IR) – Automated remediation that thoroughly and permanently disinfects in a single operation—all in a matter of minutes.

About Malwarebytes

Malwarebytes believes that when people and organizations are free from
threats, they are free to thrive. Founded in 2008, Malwarebytes CEO
Marcin Kleczynski had one mission: to rid the world of malware. Today,
that mission has expanded to provide cyber protection for everyone. Malwarebytes provides consumers and organizations with device
protection, privacy, and prevention through effective, intuitive, and
inclusive solutions in the home, on-the-go, at work, or on campus. A world-class team of threat researchers and security experts enable
Malwarebytes to protect millions of customers and combat existing and never-before-seen threats using artificial intelligence and machine
learning to catch new threats rapidly. With threat hunters and
innovators across the world, the company is headquartered in California
with offices in Europe and Asia. For more information, visit https://www.malwarebytes.com.

Ref:- https://globalchannelnetwork.com/gcn-group-partners-with-malwarebytes

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On 20/08/2022 22:30, T wrote:

On 8/20/22 00:24, David Brooks wrote:

GCN Group, the largest B2B channel network, announced today a global
strategic partnership with Malwarebytes, a provider of real-time cyber
protection. As part of the partnership, Malwarebytes’ advanced
endpoint protection and remediation solutions will be made available
to MSPs through GCN Group’s global network spanning six continents.

Uhhhh.  Malware Bytes does not work very well.
I hope B2B cleans up Malware Bytes.  Good
on junkware, but terrible on viruses.

Dustin Cook agrees with you!

Sort of like when Watchguard bought Panda.
Watchguard makes wonderful firewalls and has
excellent support.  I hope they clean up
Panda too.

Which, if any, anti-virus software do YOU recommend for use on an Apple computer?

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In article <7TcMK.823836$[email protected]>, David Brooks <[email protected]s> wrote:

Which, if any, anti-virus software do YOU recommend for use on an Apple computer?

rm

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Am 21.08.22 um 00:03 schrieb David Brooks:

Which, if any, anti-virus software do YOU recommend for use on an Apple computer?

None.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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On 8/20/22 15:03, David Brooks wrote:

Which, if any, anti-virus software do YOU recommend for use on an Apple computer?

I have used Malware Bytes to scan for junkware before.

As for viruses, I go along with Apple:

How do I check my MAC for malware? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

This describes Apple's build in protection: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/protecting-against-malware-sec469d47bd8/web

Although it is possible, Mac is not really all that
susceptible to viruses.

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On 22/08/2022 07:19, T wrote:

On 8/20/22 15:03, David Brooks wrote:

Which, if any, anti-virus software do YOU recommend for use on an
Apple computer?

I have used Malware Bytes to scan for junkware before.

As for viruses, I go along with Apple:

How do I check my MAC for malware? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

This describes Apple's build in protection: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/protecting-against-malware-sec469d47bd8/web

Although it is possible, Mac is not really all that
susceptible to viruses.

Thank you so much for answering, 'T'. :-)

We appear to think along the same lines.

Might one construe the answer provided here (Apple Approved) https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

... to indicate that Apple approves the use of EtreCheck?

Just for a moment I had a notion that the 'advisor', "Tesserax", might
be Teresa 'Tess' Pierce, one of the company directors of Etresoft, the
company which markets Etrecheck.

How silly is that, eh?!!!

--
David

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On 8/22/22 00:33, David Brooks wrote:

Might one construe the answer provided here (Apple Approved) https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

... to indicate that Apple approves the use of EtreCheck?

I read that somewhere too. I remember actually
trying it once, but could not figure it out.
Or it did not work.

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On 22/08/2022 09:25, T wrote:

On 8/22/22 00:33, David Brooks wrote:

Might one construe the answer provided here (Apple Approved)
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

... to indicate that Apple approves the use of EtreCheck?

I read that somewhere too.  I remember actually
trying it once, but could not figure it out.
Or it did not work.

Have you time to ask on the ASC forums? I'd do so myself, but they have
banned me!

If you do, please supply a link, here.

Thanks.

(Shouldn't you be asleep in your bed?!!!)

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It happens that T formulated :

On 8/20/22 15:03, David Brooks wrote:

Which, if any, anti-virus software do YOU recommend for use on an Apple
computer?

I have used Malware Bytes to scan for junkware before.

As for viruses, I go along with Apple:

How do I check my MAC for malware? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

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Am 22.08.22 um 12:53 schrieb FromTheRafters:

It happens that T formulated :

How do I check my MAC for malware?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Rather for conspiracists.

--
Ex iniuria ius non oritur

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On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 11:54:00 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:

It happens that T formulated :

On 8/20/22 15:03, David Brooks wrote:

Which, if any, anti-virus software do YOU recommend for use on an Apple
computer?

I have used Malware Bytes to scan for junkware before.

As for viruses, I go along with Apple:

How do I check my MAC for malware? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Yep that's me although I prefer fishnet stockings and stilettos too if you're offering ;-)

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 09:45:10 +0100, David Brooks <[email protected]d>
wrote:

Have you time to ask on the ASC forums? I'd do so myself, but they have >banned me!

Of course they've banned you (AGAIN, for the umpteenth and hopefully
final time). Some people run afoul of the rules and quickly learn to do
better, while others are incapable or unwilling to learn.

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On 22/08/2022 17:42, Kelly Phillips wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 09:45:10 +0100, David Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:

Have you time to ask on the ASC forums? I'd do so myself, but they have
banned me!

Of course they've banned you (AGAIN, for the umpteenth and hopefully
final time). Some people run afoul of the rules and quickly learn to do better, while others are incapable or unwilling to learn.

Who ARE *THEY* - EXACTLY?

*NOT* Apple employees are they? Just tin-pot dictators AFAICT.

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:44:23 +0100, David Brooks <[email protected]d>
wrote:

On 22/08/2022 17:42, Kelly Phillips wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 09:45:10 +0100, David Brooks <[email protected]d>
wrote:

Have you time to ask on the ASC forums? I'd do so myself, but they have
banned me!

Of course they've banned you (AGAIN, for the umpteenth and hopefully
final time). Some people run afoul of the rules and quickly learn to do
better, while others are incapable or unwilling to learn.

Who ARE *THEY* - EXACTLY?

*NOT* Apple employees are they? Just tin-pot dictators AFAICT.

I was referring to the person or persons who banned you. Who they are is irrelevant.

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On 22/08/2022 13:24, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 22.08.22 um 12:53 schrieb FromTheRafters:

It happens that T formulated :

How do I check my MAC for malware?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Rather for conspiracists.

What DAMAGE could using EtreCheck do to one's Apple computer?

Could it, perhaps, leave an open 'backdoor' to subsequently control
one's machine?

Who would know? Who would think to check?

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David Brooks pretended :

On 22/08/2022 13:24, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 22.08.22 um 12:53 schrieb FromTheRafters:

It happens that T formulated :

How do I check my MAC for malware?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Rather for conspiracists.

What DAMAGE could using EtreCheck do to one's Apple computer?

Could it, perhaps, leave an open 'backdoor' to subsequently control one's machine?

Who would know? Who would think to check?

Isn't that what Apple is supposed to be doing in its vetting of apps?

"On Mac, many apps are obtained from the App Store, but Mac users also
download and use apps from the internet. To safely support internet downloading, macOS layers additional controls. First, by default in
macOS 10.15 or later, all Mac apps need to be notarized by Apple to
launch."

https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overview-sec35dd877d0/web

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On 23/08/2022 12:57, FromTheRafters wrote:

David Brooks pretended :

On 22/08/2022 13:24, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 22.08.22 um 12:53 schrieb FromTheRafters:

It happens that T formulated :

How do I check my MAC for malware?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Rather for conspiracists.

What DAMAGE could using EtreCheck do to one's Apple computer?

Could it, perhaps, leave an open 'backdoor' to subsequently control
one's machine?

Who would know? Who would think to check?

Isn't that what Apple is supposed to be doing in its vetting of apps?

Good thinking, FTR!

"On Mac, many apps are obtained from the App Store, but Mac users also download and use apps from the internet. To safely support internet downloading, macOS layers additional controls. First, by default in
macOS 10.15 or later, all Mac apps need to be notarized by Apple to
launch."

https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overview-sec35dd877d0/web

I'm not absolutely sure about that ..... so I have asked here:-

https://www.mac-forums.com/threads/identification-of-an-app.374380/

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On 23/08/2022 16:27, FromTheRafters wrote:

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :

On 23/08/2022 12:57, FromTheRafters wrote:

David Brooks pretended :

On 22/08/2022 13:24, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 22.08.22 um 12:53 schrieb FromTheRafters:

It happens that T formulated :

How do I check my MAC for malware?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Rather for conspiracists.

What DAMAGE could using EtreCheck do to one's Apple computer?

Could it, perhaps, leave an open 'backdoor' to subsequently control
one's machine?

Who would know? Who would think to check?

Isn't that what Apple is supposed to be doing in its vetting of apps?

Good thinking, FTR!

"On Mac, many apps are obtained from the App Store, but Mac users
also download and use apps from the internet. To safely support
internet downloading, macOS layers additional controls. First, by
default in macOS 10.15 or later, all Mac apps need to be notarized by
Apple to launch."

https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overview-sec35dd877d0/web

I'm not absolutely sure about that ..... so I have asked here:-

https://www.mac-forums.com/threads/identification-of-an-app.374380/

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

Will YOU tell him?

(It's a useful place to have an account!)

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David Brooks laid this down on his screen :

On 23/08/2022 12:57, FromTheRafters wrote:

David Brooks pretended :

On 22/08/2022 13:24, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 22.08.22 um 12:53 schrieb FromTheRafters:

It happens that T formulated :

How do I check my MAC for malware?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Rather for conspiracists.

What DAMAGE could using EtreCheck do to one's Apple computer?

Could it, perhaps, leave an open 'backdoor' to subsequently control one's >>> machine?

Who would know? Who would think to check?

Isn't that what Apple is supposed to be doing in its vetting of apps?

Good thinking, FTR!

"On Mac, many apps are obtained from the App Store, but Mac users also
download and use apps from the internet. To safely support internet
downloading, macOS layers additional controls. First, by default in macOS
10.15 or later, all Mac apps need to be notarized by Apple to launch."

https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overview-sec35dd877d0/web

I'm not absolutely sure about that ..... so I have asked here:-

https://www.mac-forums.com/threads/identification-of-an-app.374380/

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

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In article <te2rlc$314gh$[email protected]>, FromTheRafters <[email protected]> wrote:

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
...

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

that page is wrong. app is simply short for application.

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On 23/08/2022 16:52, nospam wrote:

In article <te2rlc$314gh$[email protected]>, FromTheRafters <[email protected]> wrote:

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
...

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

that page is wrong. app is simply short for application.

Applications are installed.

EtreCheck 'works' *without* being installed.

"Installation:
EtreCheck does not need to be installed. You can run it right from your Downloads folder."

Stated, here:- https://etrecheck.com/details

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David Brooks expressed precisely :

On 23/08/2022 16:27, FromTheRafters wrote:

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :

On 23/08/2022 12:57, FromTheRafters wrote:

David Brooks pretended :

On 22/08/2022 13:24, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 22.08.22 um 12:53 schrieb FromTheRafters:

It happens that T formulated :

How do I check my MAC for malware?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8383216?language=en

That seems to be a glowing recommendation for Etrecheck.

That is, if you are a 'belt and suspenders' type.

Rather for conspiracists.

What DAMAGE could using EtreCheck do to one's Apple computer?

Could it, perhaps, leave an open 'backdoor' to subsequently control
one's machine?

Who would know? Who would think to check?

Isn't that what Apple is supposed to be doing in its vetting of apps?

Good thinking, FTR!

"On Mac, many apps are obtained from the App Store, but Mac users also >>>> download and use apps from the internet. To safely support internet
downloading, macOS layers additional controls. First, by default in macOS >>>> 10.15 or later, all Mac apps need to be notarized by Apple to launch." >>>>
https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overview-sec35dd877d0/web

I'm not absolutely sure about that ..... so I have asked here:-

https://www.mac-forums.com/threads/identification-of-an-app.374380/

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe was
wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

Will YOU tell him?

(It's a useful place to have an account!)

No, there will probably be a barrage of examples to the contrary.

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In article <e07NK.767040$[email protected]>, David Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
...

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

that page is wrong. app is simply short for application.

Applications are installed.

not in the way you think, and that's another hijack attempt.

EtreCheck 'works' *without* being installed.

"Installation:
EtreCheck does not need to be installed. You can run it right from your Downloads folder."

that doesn't mean anything.

it's installed by virtue of downloading it.

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:41:58 +0100, David Brooks <[email protected]d>
wrote:

Will YOU tell him?

That's usually code for "I've been banned again". What happened this
time?

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nospam formulated on Tuesday :

In article <te2rlc$314gh$[email protected]>, FromTheRafters <[email protected]> wrote:

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
...

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

that page is wrong. app is simply short for application.

https://askleo.com/whats-the-difference-between-app-and-application/

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In article <te36rq$32b8m$[email protected]>, FromTheRafters <[email protected]> wrote:

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps

that page is wrong. app is simply short for application.

https://askleo.com/whats-the-difference-between-app-and-application/

he's right in that apps and applications are both software, but he's
wrong about there being a distinction between the two.

he incorrectly claims that the microsoft store (which he calls the
windows store) doesn't have true applications. he claims to be unable
to find a true app there, despite adobe photoshop elements being
available, among many others.

<https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/kb/purchases-win-app-store-f aq.html>
The�Microsoft Store is an application on Windows desktop and
devices (phone or tablet) used to purchase, download, install, and
license applications.

he's also wrong that the distinction began with windows 8.

he claims what is pre-installed in win10 are apps, except win10
includes a number of what he calls applications, including microsoft
edge (also available for other platforms).

he completely ignores the mac app store, which hosts a wide variety of sophisticated apps, including pages, keynote, final cut and many
others.

long ago, apple had a development framework called macapp. which as a
bit of trivial, was used for the original version of photoshop.

the term 'app' is nothing more than shorthand for application, going
back to at least the 1980s.

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On 23/08/2022 18:11, nospam wrote:

In article <e07NK.767040$[email protected]>, David Brooks <[email protected]d> wrote:

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
...

Someone responding to your query said something extra which I believe
was wrong.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/definition/application-apps >>>

that page is wrong. app is simply short for application.

Applications are installed.

not in the way you think,

Then explain!

and that's another hijack attempt.

NOPE! This is MY thread - I started it!

EtreCheck 'works' *without* being installed.

"Installation:
EtreCheck does not need to be installed. You can run it right from your
Downloads folder."

that doesn't mean anything.

it's installed by virtue of downloading it.

Is that REALLY the case?

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On 23 Aug 2022 at 20:00:36 BST, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:

the term 'app' is nothing more than shorthand for application, going
back to at least the 1980s.

It seems to have a had a resurgence in more recent years - it seemed to imply (to my mind at least) a "small application" which was a fitting term for the software we downloaded to our phones. It seemed to me at that time (say 10 years ago +/- 5 years) that its common usage was for "mobile device software products" - but increasingly the term seems to have been re-applied to any
kind of software application.

Just my perception.
--
jeremy

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On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 10:54:39 UTC+1, Jeremy wrote:

On 23 Aug 2022 at 20:00:36 BST, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:

the term 'app' is nothing more than shorthand for application, going
back to at least the 1980s.

It seems to have a had a resurgence in more recent years - it seemed to imply (to my mind at least) a "small application" which was a fitting term for the software we downloaded to our phones. It seemed to me at that time (say 10 years ago +/- 5 years) that its common usage was for "mobile device software products" - but increasingly the term seems to have been re-applied to any kind of software application.

Just my perception.
--
jeremy

My perception was the word applications came with Apple Macintosh computers in the
Mid 80s, while PCs had programs , UNIX had executable files but can't reemeber what they were called
by their users. I'd ask IT services but that would generate a ticketing system, then I'd get asked a few weeks later if the ticket could be closed.
Then they'd reply with info that I didn't ask for, and then "ask how did we do" ;-)

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On 15 Sep 2022, whisky-dave wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):

UNIX had executable files but can't reemeber what they were called
by their users.

Binaries or executables, for the most part that I recall. Time period
starting late 80s.

Application was definitely Mac, although later others such as GEM (Atari/PC). Not sure about Amiga - don’t quite recall. App I don’t remember hearing until iPhone.

Cheers,
Ian

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In article <[email protected]>,
Ian McCall <[email protected]> wrote:

UNIX had executable files but can't reemeber what they were called
by their users.

Binaries or executables, for the most part that I recall. Time period starting late 80s.

in the 60s/70s, there was the distinction between application and
systems programming, for what was user-facing (including for admins)
and the actual operating system itself.

Application was definitely Mac, although later others such as GEM (Atari/PC). Not sure about Amiga - don�t quite recall. App I don�t remember hearing
until iPhone.

dos also used the term in the 1980s.

for example, ashton-tate framework ii had an 'apps' menu: <https://www.osnews.com/img/24882/apps.PNG>

the term is not new, although it did become a lot more popular with the
iphone because the iphone itself was extremely popular.

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On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:00:02 +0100, Ian McCall <[email protected]> wrote:

On 15 Sep 2022, whisky-dave wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):

UNIX had executable files but can't reemeber what they were called
by their users.

Binaries or executables, for the most part that I recall. Time period >starting late 80s.

Application was definitely Mac, although later others such as GEM (Atari/PC). >Not sure about Amiga - don�t quite recall. App I don�t remember hearing
until iPhone.

Cheers,
Ian

In the past we had computer programs which were categorised. There
were operating systems, utilities, environmental software and so on.
Those programs that did useful end-user work, often written by the end
user, were called application programs.
I think you're right that it was Apple that first shortened
application program to app then used it for their App Store; now the
name is universal for just about any non-OS program, at least in the non-corporate market.

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In article <[email protected]>, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:

I think you're right that it was Apple that first shortened
application program to app then used it for their App Store;

that is false.

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Ken <[email protected]> wrote:

In the past we had computer programs which were categorised. There
were operating systems, utilities, environmental software and so on.
Those programs that did useful end-user work, often written by the end
user, were called application programs.
I think you're right that it was Apple that first shortened
application program to app then used it for their App Store; now the
name is universal for just about any non-OS program, at least in the non-corporate market.

Acorn were using 'Apps' as in 'Apps Disc 1' back in the 80s: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/55015/RISC-OS-3-08-Application-Discs/ https://www.houseofmabel.com/images/display/171286/1552154819/1552154710_1_125232.gif
(pictures date from about 1992, the best I can find offhand)

There is nothing fundamentally different from that 'Resources:$.Apps' window and an iOS launcher: they are both a gallery to launch apps from.

I think 'apps' is just a natural contraction of 'applications', and when you have limited filename length (as in DOS 8.3 or Acorn's 10) you naturally use the contraction. It is also easier to say.

As to where Acorn got it from, maybe 'applications' and hence 'apps' were in common parlance in the mid 80s? It is possible that originated at Apple,
but that would be a long long time before the App Store.

Theo

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In article <tXj*[email protected]>,
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:

As to where Acorn got it from, maybe 'applications' and hence 'apps' were in >common parlance in the mid 80s? It is possible that originated at Apple,
but that would be a long long time before the App Store.

"Application" dates back to the 50s but was mostly business computing
jargon - the rest of us wrote "programs". I suspect its spread into
public use came with the IBM PC, which infected many of the tedious
features of business computing into the previously idyllic world of microcomputers.

-- Richard

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In article <tXj*[email protected]>,
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:

I think 'apps' is just a natural contraction of 'applications'

As you'd expect, "app" was used as a conscious abbreviation of
"application" before it became a word of its own.

The OED has these examples from job advertisements:

1981 Computerworld 20 Apr. 92/2 (advt.) Strong IBM customer .. will
hire a tech support person to .. interface with app. development and
comp. operations people.

1982 Computerworld 13 Sept. 112/3 (advt.) Diversified cons svcs
firm seeks result oriented pro to lead apps devel team.

Its first example where it appears to be a word of its own is:

1992 Dr. Dobb's Jrnl. Sept. 1/1 (advt.) With all these tools,
you'll write the most powerful, robust apps imaginable.

though I imagine earlier examples could be found.

-- Richard

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