• Re: iMac very slow then speeds up, then slows down.

    From Peter James@21:1/5 to Peter James on Wed Aug 10 07:13:47 2022
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:10:51 BST, "Peter James" <[email protected]> wrote:

    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan, and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds.

    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here?

    Peter

    Malware bytes has finished the scan and reprts no threats.
    Peter
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  • From Peter James@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 10 07:10:51 2022
    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan, and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds.

    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here?

    Peter
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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Peter James on Wed Aug 10 07:22:59 2022
    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:10:51 BST, "Peter James" <[email protected]> wrote:

    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar
    behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to
    normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan, >> and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds. >>
    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here?

    Peter

    Malware bytes has finished the scan and reprts no threats.

    It doesn’t seem like Malware then.

    Does it have a spinning hard drive, not a SSD?

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252753807>

    You could also run Etrecheck and see if it brings up any issues.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 10 10:25:17 2022
    Am 10.08.22 um 09:10 schrieb Peter James:
    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan, and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds.

    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here?

    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks
    havoc on your Mac.

    *Malwarebyte is malware*
    It tells you absolutely nothing relevant.


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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Aug 10 08:52:41 2022
    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
    Am 10.08.22 um 09:10 schrieb Peter James:
    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar
    behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to
    normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan, >> and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds. >>
    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here?

    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks
    havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>

    *Malwarebyte is malware*

    LOL - You’re beginning to seem like someone I try to avoid!

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 10 11:07:47 2022
    Am 10.08.22 um 10:52 schrieb Alan B:
    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>

    *Malwarebyte is malware*

    LOL - You’re beginning to seem like someone I try to avoid!

    Security by obscurity?
    Correct use and configuration of a Unixoide makes all these things
    redundant.


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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Alan B on Wed Aug 10 09:24:00 2022
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 09:52:41 BST, Alan B wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:


    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside.
    Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks
    havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>


    Interesting (YMMV), thanks. Shows Dropbox the second highest user of energy on my iMac - and I very rarely use it. So in the Bin it goes. Not 'havoc', admittedly.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Aug 10 09:35:23 2022
    RJH <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 09:52:41 BST, Alan B wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:


    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. >>> Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks
    havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>


    Interesting (YMMV), thanks. Shows Dropbox the second highest user of energy on
    my iMac - and I very rarely use it. So in the Bin it goes. Not 'havoc', admittedly.

    Haven’t used the Dropbox app for years. I’m sure I read somewhere it installs a version of the Chrome browser which presumably runs constantly
    in the background?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan B on Wed Aug 10 05:51:05 2022
    In article <tcvu4r$1puo5$[email protected]>,
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Haven�t used the Dropbox app for years. I�m sure I read somewhere it
    installs a version of the Chrome browser which presumably runs constantly
    in the background?

    it does, and best avoided for that and many other reasons. there are
    various alternatives that don't cause problems.

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  • From Peter James@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 10 10:40:26 2022
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:22:59 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:10:51 BST, "Peter James" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar >>> behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to >>> normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan,
    and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds. >>>
    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here?

    Peter

    Malware bytes has finished the scan and reprts no threats.

    It doesn’t seem like Malware then.

    Does it have a spinning hard drive, not a SSD?
    1 TB SSD

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252753807>

    You could also run Etrecheck and see if it brings up any issues.
    Peter


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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Peter James on Wed Aug 10 12:24:41 2022
    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:

    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan, and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds.

    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here?


    Overheating?


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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Aug 10 12:42:38 2022
    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
    Am 10.08.22 um 11:35 schrieb Alan B:
    RJH <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 09:52:41 BST, Alan B wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:


    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. >>>>> Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks >>>>> havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>


    Interesting (YMMV), thanks. Shows Dropbox the second highest user of energy on
    my iMac - and I very rarely use it. So in the Bin it goes. Not 'havoc',
    admittedly.

    Haven’t used the Dropbox app for years. I’m sure I read somewhere it
    installs a version of the Chrome browser which presumably runs constantly
    in the background?

    The sync-services runs always in the background. For good reasons if you
    use Drop Box. If not it weighs relatively heavy on the system.

    I use it for not so private things. Drop Box is one of the very few free cloud services that master all OSes. Windows, Mac, Linux, Android and iOS.

    I use it just for data transfers. The downside being the lousy privacy
    and the limitation to three devices.

    On the rare occasions I use Dropbox, I access it via Safari now. I don’t
    use it for any ‘sensitive’ data as I agree the privacy is lousy.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 10 14:35:07 2022
    Am 10.08.22 um 11:35 schrieb Alan B:
    RJH <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 09:52:41 BST, Alan B wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:


    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. >>>> Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks >>>> havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>


    Interesting (YMMV), thanks. Shows Dropbox the second highest user of energy on
    my iMac - and I very rarely use it. So in the Bin it goes. Not 'havoc',
    admittedly.

    Haven’t used the Dropbox app for years. I’m sure I read somewhere it installs a version of the Chrome browser which presumably runs constantly
    in the background?

    The sync-services runs always in the background. For good reasons if you
    use Drop Box. If not it weighs relatively heavy on the system.

    I use it for not so private things. Drop Box is one of the very few free
    cloud services that master all OSes. Windows, Mac, Linux, Android and iOS.

    I use it just for data transfers. The downside being the lousy privacy
    and the limitation to three devices.

    --
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  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to Alan B on Wed Aug 10 20:35:39 2022
    On 10/08/2022 13:42, Alan B wrote:
    On the rare occasions I use Dropbox, I access it via Safari now. I don’t use it for any ‘sensitive’ data as I agree the privacy is lousy.

    I've replaced the Dropbox app - which is quite heavyweight as you've
    noticed - with Maestral from https://maestral.app. It works in exactly
    the same way, but is very lightweight. It works great on my Intel Mac
    getting retired, and both M1 Macs.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Peter James on Thu Aug 11 06:31:53 2022
    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:22:59 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:10:51 BST, "Peter James" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar >>>> behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to >>>> normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan,
    and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds. >>>>
    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here? >>>>
    Peter

    Malware bytes has finished the scan and reprts no threats.

    It doesn’t seem like Malware then.

    Does it have a spinning hard drive, not a SSD?
    1 TB SSD

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252753807>

    You could also run Etrecheck and see if it brings up any issues.

    Have you tried the First Aid feature in Disk Utility to checkout your
    internal SSD drive?

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210898>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Peter James@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 06:22:28 2022
    On 11 Aug 2022 at 07:31:53 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:22:59 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:10:51 BST, "Peter James" <[email protected]> wrote:

    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar >>>>> behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to >>>>> normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan,
    and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds.

    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here? >>>>>
    Peter

    Malware bytes has finished the scan and reprts no threats.

    It doesn’t seem like Malware then.

    Does it have a spinning hard drive, not a SSD?
    1 TB SSD

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252753807>

    You could also run Etrecheck and see if it brings up any issues.

    Have you tried the First Aid feature in Disk Utility to checkout your internal SSD drive?

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210898>

    Yes and all was reported well. The problem seems to have righted itself somehow. I am a bit confused because it was so slow for a while and very frustrating, it drove me mad.
    But as I said, all now seems OK.
    Peter
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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Chris Ridd on Fri Aug 12 08:40:23 2022
    Chris Ridd <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10/08/2022 13:42, Alan B wrote:
    On the rare occasions I use Dropbox, I access it via Safari now. I don’t >> use it for any ‘sensitive’ data as I agree the privacy is lousy.

    I've replaced the Dropbox app - which is quite heavyweight as you've
    noticed - with Maestral from https://maestral.app. It works in exactly
    the same way, but is very lightweight. It works great on my Intel Mac
    getting retired, and both M1 Macs.

    Dropbox have just released a Monterey supporting beta but Ventura is only
    weeks away!

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/11/dropbox-mac-app-public-beta-macos-monterey/>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Peter James on Fri Aug 12 08:42:38 2022
    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 11 Aug 2022 at 07:31:53 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:22:59 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Peter James <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10 Aug 2022 at 08:10:51 BST, "Peter James" <[email protected]> wrote:

    My iMac, Retina 4k 2019 running OS v12.5 has started to display peculiar >>>>>> behaviour. It runs very slowly for five or ten minutes, then speeds up to
    normal for five or ten minutes then reverts back to slow.

    I've tried running Malarebytes but it's taking forever to complete the scan,
    and at time of writing had scanned 9,395 items in 6 minutes and 7 seconds.

    I must have picked up some malware somehow ,so where do I go from here? >>>>>>
    Peter

    Malware bytes has finished the scan and reprts no threats.

    It doesn’t seem like Malware then.

    Does it have a spinning hard drive, not a SSD?
    1 TB SSD

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252753807>

    You could also run Etrecheck and see if it brings up any issues.

    Have you tried the First Aid feature in Disk Utility to checkout your
    internal SSD drive?

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210898>

    Yes and all was reported well. The problem seems to have righted itself somehow. I am a bit confused because it was so slow for a while and very frustrating, it drove me mad.
    But as I said, all now seems OK.

    Good to hear but maybe there’s some underlying intermittent issue?

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Martin-S@21:1/5 to RJH on Fri Aug 12 10:36:47 2022
    On 2022-08-10 09:24:00 +0000, RJH said:

    On 10 Aug 2022 at 09:52:41 BST, Alan B wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:


    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. >>> Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks
    havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>


    Interesting (YMMV), thanks. Shows Dropbox the second highest user of energy on
    my iMac - and I very rarely use it. So in the Bin it goes. Not 'havoc', admittedly.

    I've just had a very similar experience with an iMac being terribly
    slow due to Dropbox, see the thread "Refreshing a 2012 iMac i5".

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    I think I read somewhere that dropbox's memory use increases
    proportionally with the number of files.

    --
    Martin

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 14:11:04 2022
    Am 12.08.22 um 10:40 schrieb Alan B:
    Chris Ridd <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10/08/2022 13:42, Alan B wrote:
    On the rare occasions I use Dropbox, I access it via Safari now. I don’t >>> use it for any ‘sensitive’ data as I agree the privacy is lousy.

    I've replaced the Dropbox app - which is quite heavyweight as you've
    noticed - with Maestral from https://maestral.app. It works in exactly
    the same way, but is very lightweight. It works great on my Intel Mac
    getting retired, and both M1 Macs.

    Dropbox have just released a Monterey supporting beta but Ventura is only weeks away!

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/11/dropbox-mac-app-public-beta-macos-monterey/>

    Mine works well for almost a year ... no beta no nothing ...

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 14:13:15 2022
    Am 12.08.22 um 11:36 schrieb Martin-S:
    On 2022-08-10 09:24:00 +0000, RJH said:

    On 10 Aug 2022 at 09:52:41 BST, Alan B wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:


    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. >>>> Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks >>>> havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>


    Interesting (YMMV), thanks. Shows Dropbox the second highest user of energy on
    my iMac - and I very rarely use it. So in the Bin it goes. Not 'havoc',
    admittedly.

    I've just had a very similar experience with an iMac being terribly
    slow due to Dropbox, see the thread "Refreshing a 2012 iMac i5".

    See my answer in this thread. No slow down (1% CPU load) and 327 MB RAM
    (2%).




    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 12 09:14:54 2022
    In article <[email protected]>, Martin-S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    dropbox includes chrome within it which itself is well known for using
    a lot of memory.

    <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/06/13/meet-the-new-dropbox/>

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Aug 12 14:39:52 2022
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>, Martin-S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    dropbox includes chrome within it which itself is well known for using
    a lot of memory.

    <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/06/13/meet-the-new-dropbox/>

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    --
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    ~ Slava Ukraini ~

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Fri Aug 12 15:01:17 2022
    On 12/08/2022 13:13, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 12.08.22 um 11:36 schrieb Martin-S:
    On 2022-08-10 09:24:00 +0000, RJH said:

    On 10 Aug 2022 at 09:52:41 BST, Alan B wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:


    Based on this information it is impoosible to diagnose from the outside. >>>>> Restart your computer and start the activity monitor to see what wreaks >>>>> havoc on your Mac.

    Useful article here about using AM.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/activity-monitor/welcome/mac>


    Interesting (YMMV), thanks. Shows Dropbox the second highest user of energy on
    my iMac - and I very rarely use it. So in the Bin it goes. Not 'havoc',
    admittedly.

    I've just had a very similar experience with an iMac being terribly
    slow due to Dropbox, see the thread "Refreshing a 2012 iMac i5".

    See my answer in this thread. No slow down (1% CPU load) and 327 MB RAM
    (2%).

    I have an account (free) with Dropbox but have never known it to impact
    on my iMac performance.

    Indeed, I can't even spot it on my 'Activity Monitor'. Perhaps I'm not
    looking properly. Can you provide some guidance, please?

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Aug 12 14:18:07 2022
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Martin-S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    dropbox includes chrome within it which itself is well known for using
    a lot of memory.

    <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/06/13/meet-the-new-dropbox/>

    What about the sinister Keystone agent? Does it still exist?

    <https://applehelpwriter.com/2014/07/13/how-to-remove-googles-secret-update-software-from-your-mac/>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 12 15:30:13 2022
    On 2022-08-12 13:39:52 +0000, [email protected] (Sn!pe) said:

    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>, Martin-S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    dropbox includes chrome within it which itself is well known for using
    a lot of memory.

    <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/06/13/meet-the-new-dropbox/>

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    I got a freebie 50GB Box account several years ago. A quick check shows
    it's still working (hardly used it - not at all recently). Is it any better/worse than Dropbox? I also have 50GB iCloud, so neither of the
    other two are vitally important.
    --
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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Aug 12 14:45:55 2022
    On 12 Aug 2022 at 15:30:13 BST, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2022-08-12 13:39:52 +0000, [email protected] (Sn!pe) said:

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    I got a freebie 50GB Box account several years ago. A quick check shows
    it's still working (hardly used it - not at all recently). Is it any better/worse than Dropbox? I also have 50GB iCloud, so neither of the
    other two are vitally important.

    I used that for work a while ago, it's pretty lightweight as a client
    and never gave me any grief. So much better than Dropbox, which was
    great a decade ago but has been awful since about 2015.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Tetris has taught me that accomplishments disappear and mistakes pile up.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 16:46:39 2022
    Am 12.08.22 um 16:01 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 12/08/2022 13:13, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    See my answer in this thread. No slow down (1% CPU load) and 327 MB RAM
    (2%).

    I have an account (free) with Dropbox but have never known it to impact
    on my iMac performance.

    Indeed, I can't even spot it on my 'Activity Monitor'. Perhaps I'm not looking properly. Can you provide some guidance, please?

    To see it in the activity monitor you should start Dropbox automatically
    on system start.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 16:47:41 2022
    Am 12.08.22 um 15:14 schrieb nospam:
    In article <[email protected]>, Martin-S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    dropbox includes chrome within it which itself is well known for using
    a lot of memory.

    <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/06/13/meet-the-new-dropbox/>

    Not here. No chrome-process. Nothing of that kind.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Fri Aug 12 15:49:54 2022
    On 12/08/2022 15:46, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 12.08.22 um 16:01 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 12/08/2022 13:13, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    See my answer in this thread. No slow down (1% CPU load) and 327 MB RAM
    (2%).

    I have an account (free) with Dropbox but have never known it to impact
    on my iMac performance.

    Indeed, I can't even spot it on my 'Activity Monitor'. Perhaps I'm not
    looking properly. Can you provide some guidance, please?

    To see it in the activity monitor you should start Dropbox automatically
    on system start.

    Thank you. Perhaps if other folk had NOT got it set up in that way,
    they'd not have had the problems they have experienced.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 16:55:40 2022
    Am 12.08.22 um 15:39 schrieb Sn!pe:
    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    If the small Apple world is enough for you. Fine.
    I access my data with 4 different OSes. This would never be an option to
    be limited to iCloud. Apple is a total shitty prison as M$ or Google is.
    For certain (data-intensive) things like photos or media it is OK.


    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 16:56:24 2022
    Am 12.08.22 um 16:49 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 12/08/2022 15:46, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 12.08.22 um 16:01 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 12/08/2022 13:13, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    See my answer in this thread. No slow down (1% CPU load) and 327 MB RAM >>>> (2%).

    I have an account (free) with Dropbox but have never known it to impact
    on my iMac performance.

    Indeed, I can't even spot it on my 'Activity Monitor'. Perhaps I'm not
    looking properly. Can you provide some guidance, please?

    To see it in the activity monitor you should start Dropbox automatically
    on system start.

    Thank you. Perhaps if other folk had NOT got it set up in that way,
    they'd not have had the problems they have experienced.

    Probably correct.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 16:58:02 2022
    Am 12.08.22 um 16:30 schrieb Mark:
    On 2022-08-12 13:39:52 +0000, [email protected] (Sn!pe) said:

    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>, Martin-S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    dropbox includes chrome within it which itself is well known for using
    a lot of memory.

    <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/06/13/meet-the-new-dropbox/>

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    I got a freebie 50GB Box account several years ago. A quick check shows
    it's still working (hardly used it - not at all recently). Is it any better/worse than Dropbox? I also have 50GB iCloud, so neither of the
    other two are vitally important.

    Depends on how you work and which OS(es) you use.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan B on Fri Aug 12 11:36:45 2022
    In article <td5rqg$2hgvd$[email protected]>,
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:


    Just had a quick look - it doesn't look like you can get a new free
    Box account anymore. The 50GB iCloud account costs very little though.

    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Aug 12 15:32:32 2022
    On 2022-08-12, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2022-08-12 13:39:52 +0000, [email protected] (Sn!pe) said:

    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>, Martin-S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dropbox used around half a gigabyte of memory. Seems excessive for a
    file syncing utility. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again.

    dropbox includes chrome within it which itself is well known for using
    a lot of memory.

    <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/06/13/meet-the-new-dropbox/>

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    I got a freebie 50GB Box account several years ago. A quick check shows
    it's still working (hardly used it - not at all recently). Is it any better/worse than Dropbox? I also have 50GB iCloud, so neither of the
    other two are vitally important.

    Just had a quick look - it doesn't look like you can get a new free
    Box account anymore. The 50GB iCloud account costs very little though.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Fri Aug 12 15:17:52 2022
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 12 Aug 2022 at 15:30:13 BST, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2022-08-12 13:39:52 +0000, [email protected] (Sn!pe) said:

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    I got a freebie 50GB Box account several years ago. A quick check shows
    it's still working (hardly used it - not at all recently). Is it any
    better/worse than Dropbox? I also have 50GB iCloud, so neither of the
    other two are vitally important.

    I used that for work a while ago, it's pretty lightweight as a client
    and never gave me any grief. So much better than Dropbox, which was
    great a decade ago but has been awful since about 2015.

    Yeah I had account with them years ago but (stupidly it now seems) I
    cancelled it in favour of Dropbox. I just don’t use Dropbox now and rely on iCloud should the need arise.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Aug 12 15:46:36 2022
    Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2022-08-12 15:17:52 +0000, Alan B
    <[email protected]d> said:

    Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 12 Aug 2022 at 15:30:13 BST, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2022-08-12 13:39:52 +0000, [email protected] (Sn!pe) said:

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    I got a freebie 50GB Box account several years ago. A quick check shows >>>> it's still working (hardly used it - not at all recently). Is it any
    better/worse than Dropbox? I also have 50GB iCloud, so neither of the
    other two are vitally important.

    I used that for work a while ago, it's pretty lightweight as a client
    and never gave me any grief. So much better than Dropbox, which was
    great a decade ago but has been awful since about 2015.

    Yeah I had account with them years ago but (stupidly it now seems) I
    cancelled it in favour of Dropbox. I just don’t use Dropbox now and rely on
    iCloud should the need arise.

    I think I got it as some sort of promo offer. Just checked - 9 years
    ago! Have a few things in there, but still says 50GB free so they can't
    be that big. I only started using the free Dropbox as I found a 'hack'
    to get someone on Fivver to use up your affiliate codes to max out
    storage (to 21GB) for ....£5. Must take some time to clear out all that stuff out. Lots of junk in there.

    There is a free 10GB account with various restrictions.

    <https://www.box.com/pricing/individual>

    You need to click “Show features”.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 12 16:38:49 2022
    On 2022-08-12 15:17:52 +0000, Alan B
    <[email protected]d> said:

    Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 12 Aug 2022 at 15:30:13 BST, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2022-08-12 13:39:52 +0000, [email protected] (Sn!pe) said:

    Thanks for this, it led me to iCloud folder sharing;
    now I don't need Dropbox at all.

    I got a freebie 50GB Box account several years ago. A quick check shows
    it's still working (hardly used it - not at all recently). Is it any
    better/worse than Dropbox? I also have 50GB iCloud, so neither of the
    other two are vitally important.

    I used that for work a while ago, it's pretty lightweight as a client
    and never gave me any grief. So much better than Dropbox, which was
    great a decade ago but has been awful since about 2015.

    Yeah I had account with them years ago but (stupidly it now seems) I cancelled it in favour of Dropbox. I just don’t use Dropbox now and rely on iCloud should the need arise.

    I think I got it as some sort of promo offer. Just checked - 9 years
    ago! Have a few things in there, but still says 50GB free so they can't
    be that big. I only started using the free Dropbox as I found a 'hack'
    to get someone on Fivver to use up your affiliate codes to max out
    storage (to 21GB) for ....£5. Must take some time to clear out all that
    stuff out. Lots of junk in there.



    --
    Cheers ... Mark

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Aug 12 17:30:44 2022
    On 12 Aug 2022 at 18:22:44 BST, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:

    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

    Remembering that the power to run the server that does it may cost you
    several hundred pounds a year.

    maybe if that's all it does, but if you run it on an existing computer
    or nas that you already have, it's effectively free. it even works on a raspberry pi.

    Yes, I have a bunch of now-powered-off servers in my cellar and have
    considered the Pi route.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Sent from my VAX 11/780

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 12 13:22:44 2022
    In article <[email protected]>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:

    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

    Remembering that the power to run the server that does it may cost you several hundred pounds a year.

    maybe if that's all it does, but if you run it on an existing computer
    or nas that you already have, it's effectively free. it even works on a raspberry pi.

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Aug 12 17:20:21 2022
    On 12 Aug 2022 at 16:36:45 BST, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <td5rqg$2hgvd$[email protected]>,
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:


    Just had a quick look - it doesn't look like you can get a new free
    Box account anymore. The 50GB iCloud account costs very little though.

    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

    Remembering that the power to run the server that does it may cost you
    several hundred pounds a year.

    £1.79/month for iCloud is quite good value :)

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo
    - H G Wells

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 12 13:37:10 2022
    In article <[email protected]>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:


    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

    Remembering that the power to run the server that does it may cost you
    several hundred pounds a year.

    maybe if that's all it does, but if you run it on an existing computer
    or nas that you already have, it's effectively free. it even works on a raspberry pi.

    Yes, I have a bunch of now-powered-off servers in my cellar and have considered the Pi route.

    i tried it on a 3b+ and it was too slow for my tastes. it might be ok
    on a 4.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Aug 12 18:26:02 2022
    Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2022-08-12 17:20:21 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    <[email protected]> said:

    On 12 Aug 2022 at 16:36:45 BST, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <td5rqg$2hgvd$[email protected]>,
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:


    Just had a quick look - it doesn't look like you can get a new free
    Box account anymore. The 50GB iCloud account costs very little though.

    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

    Remembering that the power to run the server that does it may cost you
    several hundred pounds a year.

    £1.79/month for iCloud is quite good value :)

    Cheers - Jaimie

    I always thought the Apple iCloud pricing was pretty good.

    I pay 79p a month for 50GB.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 12 19:22:13 2022
    On 2022-08-12 17:20:21 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    <[email protected]> said:

    On 12 Aug 2022 at 16:36:45 BST, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <td5rqg$2hgvd$[email protected]>,
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:


    Just had a quick look - it doesn't look like you can get a new free
    Box account anymore. The 50GB iCloud account costs very little though.

    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

    Remembering that the power to run the server that does it may cost you several hundred pounds a year.

    �1.79/month for iCloud is quite good value :)

    Cheers - Jaimie

    I always thought the Apple iCloud pricing was pretty good.
    --
    Cheers ... Mark

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Mark on Sat Aug 13 07:25:01 2022
    Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

    Re: Box

    I think I got it as some sort of promo offer. Just checked - 9 years
    ago! Have a few things in there, but still says 50GB free so they can't
    be that big. I only started using the free Dropbox as I found a 'hack'
    to get someone on Fivver to use up your affiliate codes to max out
    storage (to 21GB) for ....£5. Must take some time to clear out all that stuff out. Lots of junk in there.

    I’ve managed to get my Box account alive but with only a 10GB limit as per their current free service limitations. Actually I think it’s effectively a ‘new’ account but using my original email address.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Aug 13 19:46:09 2022
    On 2022-08-12 18:26:02 +0000, Alan B
    <[email protected]d> said:

    Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2022-08-12 17:20:21 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    <[email protected]> said:

    On 12 Aug 2022 at 16:36:45 BST, "nospam" <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In article <td5rqg$2hgvd$[email protected]>,
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:


    Just had a quick look - it doesn't look like you can get a new free >>>>> Box account anymore. The 50GB iCloud account costs very little though. >>>>
    another option is nextcloud, where you can host your own, for as much
    space as you want.

    <https://nextcloud.com>

    Remembering that the power to run the server that does it may cost you
    several hundred pounds a year.

    �1.79/month for iCloud is quite good value :)

    Cheers - Jaimie

    I always thought the Apple iCloud pricing was pretty good.

    I pay 79p a month for 50GB.

    Same here. Loathe as I am to 'subscribe' to things, that's definitely worth it. --
    Cheers ... Mark

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