Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS. Catalina? or Big Sur? -- what
would you recommend?
And: how long might the operation take, with a fair wind and calm seas?
Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS. Catalina? or Big Sur? -- what
would you recommend?
And: how long might the operation take, with a fair wind and calm seas?
You should be OK with Catalina.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/SP803?locale=en_GB>
If you check the specs for BS it says 2014 iMac or newer.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/sp833?locale=en_GB>
You should be OK with Catalina.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/SP803?locale=en_GB>
If you check the specs for BS it says 2014 iMac or newer.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/sp833?locale=en_GB>
You probably know this but from Catalina onwards 32 bit apps such as
MacSOUP are no longer supported :(
Alan B <[email protected]> wrote:
You should be OK with Catalina.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/SP803?locale=en_GB>
If you check the specs for BS it says 2014 iMac or newer.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/sp833?locale=en_GB>
Worth mentioning that OCLP can install up to Monterey: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html
bearing in mind that Catalina will likely go out of support when Ventura is released, so either way you'll end up on an unsupported OS.
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS. Catalina? or Big Sur? -- what
would you recommend?
And: how long might the operation take, with a fair wind and calm seas?
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
Worth mentioning that OCLP can install up to Monterey: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html
bearing in mind that Catalina will likely go out of support when Ventura is released, so either way you'll end up on an unsupported OS.
I notice that no MBAs after 2014 are mentioned.
Anyway my main Mac is an M1 machine so perhaps I should not get too
concerned except for the support issue. A few years ago I upgraded a
white MacBook beyond El Capitan but there was definitely a performance hit and of course some features did not work.
In article <t84cmn$n9t$[email protected]>,
Alan B <[email protected]> wrote:
You probably know this but from Catalina onwards 32 bit apps such as
MacSOUP are no longer supported :(
I did not Alan - thank you, and thank you for your other post.
I'm a simple soul: used Macs since c.1990, but have become less and less technical since I retired -- just like to "get on with my work"!
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS.
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
Hm. Good question. Having read what Neill has said:
As far as the user experience is concerned, there isn't a lot of difference >> between Catalina, Big Sur, and Monterey. In spite of all the "incredible" gush
from Tm Cook et al, the new features in macOS these days are very marginal. I
only upgrade to keep current with the security measures.
... I'm now not sure sure that I want to update. Neill's point about the security updates is the main reason.
Another one is to get rid of Apple's nagging me to update (but I've put
up with that for a year or two, and anyway I think they've given up
nagging, now).
Neill's point that there's isn't much difference between Catalina, Big
Sure and Monterey (which implies to me that there _is_ a difference
between Mojave and Catalina) .... it all adds up to falling in with your policy Tim -- if it ain't broke, etc.
Perhaps I should wait until I decide I need to afford a brand new Mac,
in a year or two....
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
As far as the user experience is concerned, there isn't a lot of difference between Catalina, Big Sur, and Monterey. In spite of all the "incredible" gush
from Tm Cook et al, the new features in macOS these days are very marginal. I only upgrade to keep current with the security measures.
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
Hm. Good question. Having read what Neill has said:
As far as the user experience is concerned, there isn't a lot of difference >> between Catalina, Big Sur, and Monterey. In spite of all the "incredible" gush
from Tm Cook et al, the new features in macOS these days are very marginal. I
only upgrade to keep current with the security measures.
... I'm now not sure sure that I want to update. Neill's point about the security updates is the main reason.
Another one is to get rid of Apple's nagging me to update (but I've put
up with that for a year or two, and anyway I think they've given up
nagging, now).
Neill's point that there's isn't much difference between Catalina, Big
Sure and Monterey (which implies to me that there _is_ a difference
between Mojave and Catalina) .... it all adds up to falling in with your policy Tim -- if it ain't broke, etc.
Perhaps I should wait until I decide I need to afford a brand new Mac,
in a year or two....
Thanks for the discussion chaps: food for thought.
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5.
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
Same here (couple of 2012 machines). At least, until I can afford a newer model. Can’t help thinking the ‘new year, new OS’ thing (or however often
it is) is a bit excessive.
On 12 Jun 2022 at 21:48:39 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5. >>>>
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly
high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
Hm. Good question. Having read what Neill has said:
As far as the user experience is concerned, there isn't a lot of difference >>> between Catalina, Big Sur, and Monterey. In spite of all the "incredible" gush
from Tm Cook et al, the new features in macOS these days are very marginal. I
only upgrade to keep current with the security measures.
... I'm now not sure sure that I want to update. Neill's point about the
security updates is the main reason.
Another one is to get rid of Apple's nagging me to update (but I've put
up with that for a year or two, and anyway I think they've given up
nagging, now).
Neill's point that there's isn't much difference between Catalina, Big
Sure and Monterey (which implies to me that there _is_ a difference
between Mojave and Catalina) .... it all adds up to falling in with your
policy Tim -- if it ain't broke, etc.
Perhaps I should wait until I decide I need to afford a brand new Mac,
in a year or two....
At which point you won't have the choice, sad to say. Last year I did buy an Intel Mini for SWMBO which in theory should have been the same model as mine, but it came with BS and I was unable to force Mojave onto it (perhaps someone more expert than I could have done it). Changes since then don't amount to much more than UI changes for the sake of it. And shitty they are, too.
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper using
white ink.
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper using
white ink.
From observation (my regular bus route into town goes through the university) it is very popular with the younger generation who don't
even remember computer screens being black with green text.
On 12/06/2022 22:01, TimS wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 21:48:39 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5. >>>>>
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly >>>>> high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
Hm. Good question. Having read what Neill has said:
As far as the user experience is concerned, there isn't a lot of difference
between Catalina, Big Sur, and Monterey. In spite of all the "incredible" gush
from Tm Cook et al, the new features in macOS these days are very marginal. I
only upgrade to keep current with the security measures.
... I'm now not sure sure that I want to update. Neill's point about the >>> security updates is the main reason.
Another one is to get rid of Apple's nagging me to update (but I've put
up with that for a year or two, and anyway I think they've given up
nagging, now).
Neill's point that there's isn't much difference between Catalina, Big
Sure and Monterey (which implies to me that there _is_ a difference
between Mojave and Catalina) .... it all adds up to falling in with your >>> policy Tim -- if it ain't broke, etc.
Perhaps I should wait until I decide I need to afford a brand new Mac,
in a year or two....
At which point you won't have the choice, sad to say. Last year I did buy an >> Intel Mini for SWMBO which in theory should have been the same model as mine,
but it came with BS and I was unable to force Mojave onto it (perhaps someone
more expert than I could have done it). Changes since then don't amount to >> much more than UI changes for the sake of it. And shitty they are, too.
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a
problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I >> read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper using
white ink.
From observation (my regular bus route into town goes through the university) it is very popular with the younger generation who don't
even remember computer screens being black with green text.
From observation (my regular bus route into town goes through the
university) it is very popular with the younger generation who don't
even remember computer screens being black with green text.
In article <t878tr$6l5$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a
problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I >>> read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper >>> using
white ink.
From observation (my regular bus route into town goes through the
university) it is very popular with the younger generation who don't
even remember computer screens being black with green text.
or amber.
From observation (my regular bus route into town goes through the
university) it is very popular with the younger generation who don't
even remember computer screens being black with green text.
or amber.
Or white.
Personally, I don�t get the point of Dark Mode either. I feel like it is just the �new� factor. If all we had was Dark Mode for the past 40 years, then White Mode would now be �new and cool�.
But whatever.
The ones I used in the 70s were all white-on-black, which had the
advantage that they could also be used as monitors for CCTV etc and
even show text superimposed on a black-and-white video image.
In article <t8792i$6l5$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
My problem is replacing my 27" iMac! My workflow is now dependant on
having that amount of screen space and the 24" models don't really hack it.
mac studio + 27" studio display or even better, a 32" xdr display.
The ones I used in the 70s were all white-on-black, which had the
advantage that they could also be used as monitors for CCTV etc and
even show text superimposed on a black-and-white video image.
that's a function of the hardware, not the phosphor.
In article <t8792i$6l5$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
My problem is replacing my 27" iMac! My workflow is now dependant on
having that amount of screen space and the 24" models don't really hack it.
mac studio + 27" studio display or even better, a 32" xdr display.
In article <t878tr$6l5$[email protected]>,
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
From observation (my regular bus route into town goes through the
university) it is very popular with the younger generation who don't
even remember computer screens being black with green text.
The ones I used in the 70s were all white-on-black, which had the
advantage that they could also be used as monitors for CCTV etc and
even show text superimposed on a black-and-white video image.
On 13 Jun 2022 at 13:00:59 BST, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/06/2022 22:01, TimS wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 21:48:39 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 10:28:02 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
Hi all - I have a 27"iMac, late 2013, 16GB RAM, 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5. >>>>>>
I've been running Mojave for a few years now, and think it's possibly >>>>>> high time I moved to a more recent OS.
Um, why? I'll be sticking with Mojave for as long as I can.
Hm. Good question. Having read what Neill has said:
As far as the user experience is concerned, there isn't a lot of difference
between Catalina, Big Sur, and Monterey. In spite of all the "incredible" gush
from Tm Cook et al, the new features in macOS these days are very marginal. I
only upgrade to keep current with the security measures.
... I'm now not sure sure that I want to update. Neill's point about the >>>> security updates is the main reason.
Another one is to get rid of Apple's nagging me to update (but I've put >>>> up with that for a year or two, and anyway I think they've given up
nagging, now).
Neill's point that there's isn't much difference between Catalina, Big >>>> Sure and Monterey (which implies to me that there _is_ a difference
between Mojave and Catalina) .... it all adds up to falling in with your >>>> policy Tim -- if it ain't broke, etc.
Perhaps I should wait until I decide I need to afford a brand new Mac, >>>> in a year or two....
At which point you won't have the choice, sad to say. Last year I did buy an
Intel Mini for SWMBO which in theory should have been the same model as mine,
but it came with BS and I was unable to force Mojave onto it (perhaps someone
more expert than I could have done it). Changes since then don't amount to >>> much more than UI changes for the sake of it. And shitty they are, too.
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a
problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I >>> read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper using
white ink.
From observation (my regular bus route into town goes through the
university) it is very popular with the younger generation who don't
even remember computer screens being black with green text.
Goths, probably.
Is Apple in the process of dropping the iMac range or has it something special in mind later this year?
The green ones were, apparently, because they could deliver a brighter picture in daylight. Some of the early hand-held tv cameras used them
for viewfinders for that reason.
The ones I used in the 70s were all white-on-black, which had the
advantage that they could also be used as monitors for CCTV etc and
even show text superimposed on a black-and-white video image.
that's a function of the hardware, not the phosphor.
Displaying a black-and-white image is obviously dependent on the
phospor.
In article <t87nos$nps$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
The green ones were, apparently, because they could deliver a brighter
picture in daylight. Some of the early hand-held tv cameras used them
for viewfinders for that reason.
it's because the human eye is most sensitive to green,
On 12 Jun 2022 at 21:48:39 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper using
white ink.
On 13/06/2022 13:10, nospam wrote:
In article <t8792i$6l5$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
My problem is replacing my 27" iMac! My workflow is now dependant on
having that amount of screen space and the 24" models don't really hack it.
mac studio + 27" studio display or even better, a 32" xdr display.
Agreed but at what cost?
TimS <[email protected]> writes:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 21:48:39 BST, Another John <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a
problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I >> read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper using
white ink.
I would have said that up to a couple of years ago. But then I got floaters in my eyes. It is now difficult to read normal black on white, that includes newspapers and books, it is much easier and less of a strain to use dark mode.
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last time I read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black paper using
white ink.
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:10, nospam wrote:
In article <t8792i$6l5$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall
<[email protected]> wrote:
My problem is replacing my 27" iMac! My workflow is now dependant on
having that amount of screen space and the 24" models don't really hack it.
mac studio + 27" studio display or even better, a 32" xdr display.
Agreed but at what cost?
Mac Mini + non-Apple display?
(Mac purists may tell you it *must* be 5K, but Macs will happily rescale to
a non 2:1 pixel density. You may find a 4K panel with a slightly lower
pixel density plus rescaling is sharp enough)
On 13/06/2022 19:02, Mark Bestley wrote:
TimS <[email protected]> writes:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 21:48:39 BST, Another John <[email protected]>
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a
problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last
time I
read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black
paper using
white ink.
I would have said that up to a couple of years ago. But then I got
floaters in my eyes. It is now difficult to read normal black on
white, that includes newspapers and books, it is much easier and less
of a strain to use dark mode.
Interesting, hadn't thought of that aspect.
On 13/06/2022 19:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 13/06/2022 19:02, Mark Bestley wrote:
TimS <[email protected]> writes:
On 12 Jun 2022 at 21:48:39 BST, Another John <[email protected]>
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a >>>> problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last
time I read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black >>>> paper using white ink.
I would have said that up to a couple of years ago. But then I got
floaters in my eyes. It is now difficult to read normal black on
white, that includes newspapers and books, it is much easier and less
of a strain to use dark mode.
Interesting, hadn't thought of that aspect.
Something I've been getting over the last few years too. It's
noticeable, but I can still manage to edit photos and read small text.
To be fair, it's quite common for magazines to have light on dark
blocks.
On 13/06/2022 19:48, Theo wrote:
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:10, nospam wrote:
In article <t8792i$6l5$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall
<[email protected]> wrote:
My problem is replacing my 27" iMac! My workflow is now dependant on >>>> having that amount of screen space and the 24" models don't really hack it.
mac studio + 27" studio display or even better, a 32" xdr display.
Agreed but at what cost?
Mac Mini + non-Apple display?
(Mac purists may tell you it *must* be 5K, but Macs will happily rescale to a non 2:1 pixel density. You may find a 4K panel with a slightly lower pixel density plus rescaling is sharp enough)
Is the route that I'm looking to go down, still quite a pricey option. I estimate it as being about a third more expensive, going back to the
price differentials between the two iMacs when I bought mine.
On 13 Jun 2022 at 20:45:37 BST, Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
And then there's the Dark Mode bollocks, another solution looking for a >>>>> problem. I dislike this since I have difficulty remembering the last >>>>> time I read a book, a newspaper, or a magazine which was printed on black >>>>> paper using white ink.
To be fair, it's quite common for magazines to have light on dark
blocks.
That's pure affectation on their part; I tend to avoid such.
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 13/06/2022 19:48, Theo wrote:
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:10, nospam wrote:
In article <t8792i$6l5$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall
<[email protected]> wrote:
My problem is replacing my 27" iMac! My workflow is now dependant on >>>>>> having that amount of screen space and the 24" models don't really hack it.
mac studio + 27" studio display or even better, a 32" xdr display.
Agreed but at what cost?
Mac Mini + non-Apple display?
(Mac purists may tell you it *must* be 5K, but Macs will happily rescale to >>> a non 2:1 pixel density. You may find a 4K panel with a slightly lower
pixel density plus rescaling is sharp enough)
Is the route that I'm looking to go down, still quite a pricey option. I
estimate it as being about a third more expensive, going back to the
price differentials between the two iMacs when I bought mine.
What vintage of iMac is it, btw? Not one that supports Target Display mode by any chance? You could use it as an external display with a new Mac mini. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204592
(if you have a newer iMac there are software workarounds that aren't as
good)
It's a late 2012 model, first of the slimline versions. But it won't
work with a new mini.
On 13/06/2022 17:27, nospam wrote:
In article <t87nos$nps$[email protected]>, Graeme Wall
<[email protected]> wrote:
The green ones were, apparently, because they could deliver a brighter
picture in daylight. Some of the early hand-held tv cameras used them
for viewfinders for that reason.
it's because the human eye is most sensitive to green,
So subjectively brighter.
Alan B <[email protected]> wrote:
You should be OK with Catalina.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/SP803?locale=en_GB>
If you check the specs for BS it says 2014 iMac or newer.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/sp833?locale=en_GB>
Worth mentioning that OCLP can install up to Monterey: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html
bearing in mind that Catalina will likely go out of support when Ventura is released, so either way you'll end up on an unsupported OS.
Alan B <[email protected]> wrote:
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
Worth mentioning that OCLP can install up to Monterey:
https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html
bearing in mind that Catalina will likely go out of support when Ventura is >>> released, so either way you'll end up on an unsupported OS.
I notice that no MBAs after 2014 are mentioned.
The 2015 MBAs are supported by mainline Monterey, so there's no need for a 'patcher'. Presumably OCLP will add support for them if/when it adds Ventura support.
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a late 2012 model, first of the slimline versions. But it won't
work with a new mini.
Hmm, interesting. It seems TDM is 'special', it's not just a regular Displayport input but requires some handshaking between the two ends. I had hoped that you could just drive it from another regular video input, either DP or HDMI via a converter, but it seems that doesn't work. Which is sad,
if the iMac is a perfectly good monitor with plenty of life.
OTOH the 2012 27" is a 1440p display and I imagine finding a modern one of those wouldn't be too difficult.
Another option is Luna Display, which is a hardware+software thingy. It's not a normal monitor though, and so there are limitations.
However, I would prefer it if it were possible to change it on an app by
app basis (although I know you can for some if they include the option).
I find it is preferable to have the dark mode for some things (Photos is
one, although that does use a dark background when editing, but the
switch from light to dark suddenly is not great), but not others (like
Maps, that's just unusable in dark mode).
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
However, I would prefer it if it were possible to change it on an app by
app basis (although I know you can for some if they include the option).
I find it is preferable to have the dark mode for some things (Photos is
one, although that does use a dark background when editing, but the
switch from light to dark suddenly is not great), but not others (like
Maps, that's just unusable in dark mode).
Well I never! Shortcuts to the rescue. I never even considered the possibility that it could even be done that way.
I’ve set up a Shortcuts ‘Automation’ routine that sets dark mode when I open Photos, and then reverts to light mode when it quits. Perfect - and of course you could do that for any app you need to.
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
However, I would prefer it if it were possible to change it on an app by >>> app basis (although I know you can for some if they include the option). >>>
I find it is preferable to have the dark mode for some things (Photos is >>> one, although that does use a dark background when editing, but the
switch from light to dark suddenly is not great), but not others (like
Maps, that's just unusable in dark mode).
Well I never! Shortcuts to the rescue. I never even considered the
possibility that it could even be done that way.
I’ve set up a Shortcuts ‘Automation’ routine that sets dark mode when I
open Photos, and then reverts to light mode when it quits. Perfect - and of >> course you could do that for any app you need to.
That seems like a very useful shortcut! Knowing a bit about AppleScript helps I guess?
Personally I find Shortcuts as annoying as Applescript, though for
different reasons. Shortcuts only seems to let you do what the other app developers thought of, and nothing else.
Applescript's syntax is just
painful for anyone who has ever done programming and I'm not convinced
it is useful for anyone who hasn't.
On 31/07/2022 11:18, Alan B wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
However, I would prefer it if it were possible to change it on an app by >>>> app basis (although I know you can for some if they include the option). >>>>
I find it is preferable to have the dark mode for some things (Photos is >>>> one, although that does use a dark background when editing, but the
switch from light to dark suddenly is not great), but not others (like >>>> Maps, that's just unusable in dark mode).
Well I never! Shortcuts to the rescue. I never even considered the
possibility that it could even be done that way.
I’ve set up a Shortcuts ‘Automation’ routine that sets dark mode when I
open Photos, and then reverts to light mode when it quits. Perfect - and of >>> course you could do that for any app you need to.
That seems like a very useful shortcut! Knowing a bit about AppleScript
helps I guess?
You build shortcuts using drag and drop from a palette of commands drawn
from all installed apps. There are commands to run scripts of various
types too, but you might not need them.
Personally I find Shortcuts as annoying as Applescript, though for
different reasons. Shortcuts only seems to let you do what the other app developers thought of, and nothing else. Applescript's syntax is just
painful for anyone who has ever done programming and I'm not convinced
it is useful for anyone who hasn't.
Personally I find Shortcuts as annoying as Applescript, though for
different reasons. Shortcuts only seems to let you do what the other app developers thought of, and nothing else. Applescript's syntax is just
painful for anyone who has ever done programming and I'm not convinced
it is useful for anyone who hasn't.
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
However, I would prefer it if it were possible to change it on an app by >>> app basis (although I know you can for some if they include the option). >>>
I find it is preferable to have the dark mode for some things (Photos is >>> one, although that does use a dark background when editing, but the
switch from light to dark suddenly is not great), but not others (like
Maps, that's just unusable in dark mode).
Well I never! Shortcuts to the rescue. I never even considered the
possibility that it could even be done that way.
I’ve set up a Shortcuts ‘Automation’ routine that sets dark mode when I
open Photos, and then reverts to light mode when it quits. Perfect - and of >> course you could do that for any app you need to.
That seems like a very useful shortcut! Knowing a bit about AppleScript helps I guess?
On 31/07/2022 11:18, Alan B wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
However, I would prefer it if it were possible to change it on an app by >>>> app basis (although I know you can for some if they include the option). >>>>
I find it is preferable to have the dark mode for some things (Photos is >>>> one, although that does use a dark background when editing, but the
switch from light to dark suddenly is not great), but not others (like >>>> Maps, that's just unusable in dark mode).
Well I never! Shortcuts to the rescue. I never even considered the
possibility that it could even be done that way.
I’ve set up a Shortcuts ‘Automation’ routine that sets dark mode when I
open Photos, and then reverts to light mode when it quits. Perfect - and of >>> course you could do that for any app you need to.
That seems like a very useful shortcut! Knowing a bit about AppleScript
helps I guess?
Not at all, it was all simple drag/drop, select from menus kind of stuff.
I'm in the same boat: I haven't upgraded from Mojave because I like iPhoto and don't use an iPhone so I dont like Photos. Also, I use Fusion so I dont want to update to APFS.
But my MBP may have just died and Ihave been told that an insurance company is going to pay for a new computer
So I will be doing a full system restore of Mojave onto a 2022 MBP!
Stop laughing everyone: Let's see how that goes!!
What would prevent a full system restore? It wouldn't give me a "different model" error message for restoration of an EARLIER OS, would it?
I can't imagine many people have tried it but sounds like a severe case of "Uh-Oh1" I'll have to find out if Fusion works with APFS yet
and if there is
any alternative to iPhoto.
What would prevent a full system restore? It wouldn't give me a "different model" error message for restoration of an EARLIER OS, would it?
AFAIK the 2022 (5th generation) needs Monterey or later.
and if there isphotos, which is a much better app. there are also third party options,
any alternative to iPhoto.
such as lightroom.
What would prevent a full system restore? It wouldn't give me a
"different model" error message for restoration of an EARLIER OS, would
it?
DManzaluni <[email protected]> wrote:
What would prevent a full system restore? It wouldn't give me a
"different model" error message for restoration of an EARLIER OS, would
it?
Mojave runs on Intel Macs, a 2022 Mac is likely to be Apple Silicon. *Everything* is different.
In general Macs won't work with any OS older than the one they were first shipped with.
You might be able to copy the Photos app and try to run it on Monterey under Rosetta, but I'm not sure how much it depends on other stuff in the OS.
The other option is to run the old OS in a virtual machine, for those apps you can't run natively.
Theo
On 21/08/2022 22:50, Theo wrote:
DManzaluni <[email protected]> wrote:You can't. The icon shows the "No Entry" sign.
What would prevent a full system restore? It wouldn't give me a
"different model" error message for restoration of an EARLIER OS, would
it?
Mojave runs on Intel Macs, a 2022 Mac is likely to be Apple Silicon.
*Everything* is different.
In general Macs won't work with any OS older than the one they were first
shipped with.
You might be able to copy the Photos app and try to run it on Monterey under >> Rosetta, but I'm not sure how much it depends on other stuff in the OS.
The other option is to run the old OS in a virtual machine, for those apps
DManzaluni <[email protected]> wrote:
What would prevent a full system restore? It wouldn't give me a
"different model" error message for restoration of an EARLIER OS, would
it?
Mojave runs on Intel Macs, a 2022 Mac is likely to be Apple Silicon. *Everything* is different.
In general Macs won't work with any OS older than the one they were first shipped with.
You might be able to copy the Photos app and try to run it on Monterey under Rosetta, but I'm not sure how much it depends on other stuff in the OS.
The other option is to run the old OS in a virtual machine, for those apps you can't run natively.
Thanks for that Theo. It hadnt occurred to me that it would make any
difference with an OLDER version. But I can see that you are right.
It also hadnt occurred tome to run a MacOS in a VM on a mac.
If I can get Fusion to work, it doesnt sound so daunting!
On 22/08/2022 06:50, David Kennedy wrote:
On 21/08/2022 22:50, Theo wrote:
You might be able to copy the Photos app and try to run it on MontereyYou can't. The icon shows the "No Entry" sign.
under Rosetta, but I'm not sure how much it depends on other stuff in
the OS.
The other option is to run the old OS in a virtual machine, for those
apps
Sorry, I miss parsed that as "under Monterey"
(I assume your comments about avoiding APFS and using Fusion refer to the 'Fusion drive' concept, not VMWare Fusion virtual machines)
Theo
(I assume your comments about avoiding APFS and using Fusion refer to the
'Fusion drive' concept, not VMWare Fusion virtual machines)
Theo
Actually no! I meant VMWare Fusion Not sure what fusion drive is but I suppose I'll now need to see how VMWare runs under an M1 chip, if that's what I am getting.
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