My neighbour died of old age last summer, leaving several computers.
I've been asked to help dispose of them.
One is a PowerMac G4, bought sometime around 1995.
RAM has been
upgraded from 128Mbyte to 768Mbyte (in around April 2002). Installed OS
is 9.2 (Z1-9.2.1). Machine has been very little used; and is in very
clean condition.
Is there a market for something as old as this?
Clearly I should erase the disk before selling it or giving it away;
but
how would a new owner install an operating system on it?
My neighbour died of old age last summer, leaving several computers.
I've been asked to help dispose of them.
One is a PowerMac G4, bought sometime around 1995.
the powermac g4 was first introduced in 1999, so either the date is
wrong or it's not a g4.
Interesting. The file system says it was created 4 April 1995. Perhaps
that was the date on the original OS installation disk.
Label clealy says:
Power Mac G4
Model number: = M5183
Serial number: = CK123H2YL8z
ideally, the previous owner kept the install discs that came with the computer, which should be included in any sale.
Undoubtedly the previous owner did keep the disks, until he died. But whether his children did so, or have now thrown them all out ...?
In article <t7g953$8q4$[email protected]>, Graham J
<[email protected]> wrote:
My neighbour died of old age last summer, leaving several computers.
I've been asked to help dispose of them.
One is a PowerMac G4, bought sometime around 1995.
the powermac g4 was first introduced in 1999, so either the date is
wrong or it's not a g4.
ideally, the previous owner kept the install discs that came with the computer, which should be included in any sale.
otherwise, the next owner would need to buy a retail copy from ebay or elsewhere.
In article <t7gh13$4l5$[email protected]>, Graham J
<[email protected]> wrote:
My neighbour died of old age last summer, leaving several computers.
I've been asked to help dispose of them.
One is a PowerMac G4, bought sometime around 1995.
the powermac g4 was first introduced in 1999, so either the date is
wrong or it's not a g4.
Interesting. The file system says it was created 4 April 1995. Perhaps
that was the date on the original OS installation disk.
how are you determining that date?
The 1995 date could be explained if the late owner transplanted the
drive from some even older Mac and didn't reformat the disk. That's
quite an old disk ;-)
1 January 1904 is the epoch start for classic Mac OS, so somehow that
file got a timestamp of 0.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_(computing)
nospam wrote:
In article <t7gh13$4l5$[email protected]>, Graham J
<[email protected]> wrote:
My neighbour died of old age last summer, leaving several computers. >>>>> I've been asked to help dispose of them.
One is a PowerMac G4, bought sometime around 1995.
the powermac g4 was first introduced in 1999, so either the date is
wrong or it's not a g4.
Interesting. The file system says it was created 4 April 1995. Perhaps
that was the date on the original OS installation disk.
how are you determining that date?
Select "Macintosh HD"
Apple-I shows:
Kind: disk
Format: Mac OS Extended
Capacity: 28.62 GB
Available: 22.76 GB
Used: 5.85 GB on disk (...)
Where: Macintosh HD (ATA Bus 2 Dev 0 v3.2.8)
Created: Tue 4 April 1995 23:06
Modified: Sun 5 June 2022 9:07
The earliest file that I can find at a quick glance is Control Panels,
shown as 1 Jan 1904 0:00. So I guess the dates in the filesystem are
not very useful. Unless you can suggest something relevant ...?
I will go back to the children and ask about the installation disk
My neighbour died of old age last summer, leaving several computers.
I've been asked to help dispose of them.
One is a PowerMac G4, bought sometime around 1995. RAM has been
upgraded from 128Mbyte to 768Mbyte (in around April 2002). Installed OS
is 9.2 (Z1-9.2.1). Machine has been very little used; and is in very
clean condition.
Is there a market for something as old as this?
Clearly I should erase the disk before selling it or giving it away; but
how would a new owner install an operating system on it?
nospam wrote:
In article <t7gh13$4l5$[email protected]>, Graham J
<[email protected]> wrote:
My neighbour died of old age last summer, leaving several computers. >>>>> I've been asked to help dispose of them.
One is a PowerMac G4, bought sometime around 1995.
the powermac g4 was first introduced in 1999, so either the date is
wrong or it's not a g4.
Interesting. The file system says it was created 4 April 1995. Perhaps >>> that was the date on the original OS installation disk.
how are you determining that date?
Select "Macintosh HD"
Apple-I shows:
Kind: disk
Format: Mac OS Extended
Capacity: 28.62 GB
Available: 22.76 GB
Used: 5.85 GB on disk (...)
Where: Macintosh HD (ATA Bus 2 Dev 0 v3.2.8)
Created: Tue 4 April 1995 23:06
Modified: Sun 5 June 2022 9:07
The earliest file that I can find at a quick glance is Control Panels,
shown as 1 Jan 1904 0:00. So I guess the dates in the filesystem are not
very useful. Unless you can suggest something relevant ...?
Is there a market for something as old as this?
Look up sold listings on ebay. Quite a range depending on the extra details and accessories. The G4 cube is pricey (�200-400 territory), the G4 tower less so. Seems like the auction listings can be a bit hit and miss,
although many are 'parts only' which suggests there was something wrong with the machine.
Clearly I should erase the disk before selling it or giving it away; but how would a new owner install an operating system on it?
Be careful about erasing the disk as it may not be straightforward to do a reinstall without media, especially if there are apps to keep. I'm
not sure if there's a way to wipe the personal data while keeping the
OS and apps.
One way you could do is to delete all the personal files, then
create files full of junk (zeroes or random data) until the disk is full. Then delete the junk files. That will overwrite any personal data from the deleted files while keeping the remaining contents of the disc.
The 1995 date could be explained if the late owner transplanted the
drive from some even older Mac and didn't reformat the disk. That's
quite an old disk ;-)
The disk is:
IBM Deskstar
Made in Thailand May 2001
Apple HDD Firmware
... so it's likely that this was installed at the time of manufacture of
the G4 manufacture by Apple.
The original OS for this device is 9.1 Classic and/or 10.0.3
The maximum OS for this device is 10.4.11 Tiger.
nospam wrote:
[snip]
The original OS for this device is 9.1 Classic and/or 10.0.3
The maximum OS for this device is 10.4.11 Tiger.
The original owner's children can't find any OS install disks. Does
anybody here have something suitable that I could borrow?
At present the installed OS is 9.2. The web browser is Internet
Explorer 5 which (unsurprisingly) does not open any modern websites (out
of date security, I would guess).
Let's suppose I can install OS 9.1 from scratch: are there any web
browsers that will work with such an early OS?
If I install OS 9.1 could I then upgrade it on-line to 10.4.11 ???
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at £50, but nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old machine?
At present the installed OS is 9.2. The web browser is Internet
Explorer 5 which (unsurprisingly) does not open any modern websites (out
of date security, I would guess).
Let's suppose I can install OS 9.1 from scratch: are there any web
browsers that will work with such an early OS?
If I install OS 9.1 could I then upgrade it on-line to 10.4.11 ???
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at �50, but
nobody seems to be bidding.
Is there actually any use for such an old
machine?
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at �50, but nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old machine?
You should be able to purchase Tiger Install media on eBay etc. Sadly I discarded mine years ago :(
nospam wrote:
[snip]
The original OS for this device is 9.1 Classic and/or 10.0.3
The maximum OS for this device is 10.4.11 Tiger.
The original owner's children can't find any OS install disks. Does
anybody here have something suitable that I could borrow?
At present the installed OS is 9.2. The web browser is Internet
Explorer 5 which (unsurprisingly) does not open any modern websites (out
of date security, I would guess).
Let's suppose I can install OS 9.1 from scratch: are there any web
browsers that will work with such an early OS?
If I install OS 9.1 could I then upgrade it on-line to 10.4.11 ???
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at �50, but
nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old machine?
In article <t7kp89$2d2$[email protected]>, Alan
B <[email protected]> wrote:
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at �50, but
nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old
machine?
You should be able to purchase Tiger Install media on eBay etc. Sadly I
discarded mine years ago :(
make sure it's a *retail* copy, which will install on any supported
hardware, and not a machine-specific copy that was included with the
mac, which won't install on different macs.
nospam wrote:
[snip]
The original OS for this device is 9.1 Classic and/or 10.0.3The original owner's children can't find any OS install disks. Does
The maximum OS for this device is 10.4.11 Tiger.
anybody here have something suitable that I could borrow?
At present the installed OS is 9.2. The web browser is Internet
Explorer 5 which (unsurprisingly) does not open any modern websites (out
of date security, I would guess).
Let's suppose I can install OS 9.1 from scratch: are there any web
browsers that will work with such an early OS?
If I install OS 9.1 could I then upgrade it on-line to 10.4.11 ???
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at £50, but nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old machine?
--
Graham J
On 2022-06-06 11:57:36 +0000, nospam <[email protected]d> said:
In article <t7kp89$2d2$[email protected]>, Alan
B <[email protected]> wrote:
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at �50, but >>>> nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old >>>> machine?
You should be able to purchase Tiger Install media on eBay etc. Sadly I >>> discarded mine years ago :(
make sure it's a *retail* copy, which will install on any supported
hardware, and not a machine-specific copy that was included with the
mac, which won't install on different macs.
Got a Tiger 10.4 install DVD here. It's a single disc in a gatefold
cover. How do you tell if it's the retail version?
Also 3 Panther discs (#1/#2/#3), each in a white sleeve, and OS9
install (but that's says 'iBook' on it)
Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam wrote:
[snip]
The original OS for this device is 9.1 Classic and/or 10.0.3
The maximum OS for this device is 10.4.11 Tiger.
The original owner's children can't find any OS install disks. Does
anybody here have something suitable that I could borrow?
At present the installed OS is 9.2. The web browser is Internet
Explorer 5 which (unsurprisingly) does not open any modern websites (out
of date security, I would guess).
Let's suppose I can install OS 9.1 from scratch: are there any web
browsers that will work with such an early OS?
If I install OS 9.1 could I then upgrade it on-line to 10.4.11 ???
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at £50, but
nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old
machine?
You should be able to purchase Tiger Install media on eBay etc. Sadly I discarded mine years ago :(
On 06/06/2022 12:43, Alan B wrote:
You should be able to purchase Tiger Install media on eBay etc. Sadly I
discarded mine years ago :(
I'll have a rummage in the shed, I might have one of those (amongst
other installers if interested).
nospam wrote:
[snip]
The original OS for this device is 9.1 Classic and/or 10.0.3
The maximum OS for this device is 10.4.11 Tiger.
The original owner's children can't find any OS install disks. Does
anybody here have something suitable that I could borrow?
At present the installed OS is 9.2. The web browser is Internet
Explorer 5 which (unsurprisingly) does not open any modern websites (out
of date security, I would guess).
Let's suppose I can install OS 9.1 from scratch: are there any web
browsers that will work with such an early OS?
If I install OS 9.1 could I then upgrade it on-line to 10.4.11 ???
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at £50, but nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old machine?
make sure it's a *retail* copy, which will install on any supported hardware, and not a machine-specific copy that was included with the
mac, which won't install on different macs.
Got a Tiger 10.4 install DVD here. It's a single disc in a gatefold
cover. How do you tell if it's the retail version?
Also 3 Panther discs (#1/#2/#3), each in a white sleeve, and OS9
install (but that's says 'iBook' on it)
grey = machine-specific and should say which mac or 'not to be sold separately'
Do you mean locked to the serial number, or locked to the model type?
nospam wrote:
[snip]
The original OS for this device is 9.1 Classic and/or 10.0.3
The maximum OS for this device is 10.4.11 Tiger.
The original owner's children can't find any OS install disks. Does
anybody here have something suitable that I could borrow?
At present the installed OS is 9.2. The web browser is Internet
Explorer 5 which (unsurprisingly) does not open any modern websites (out
of date security, I would guess).
Let's suppose I can install OS 9.1 from scratch: are there any web
browsers that will work with such an early OS?
If I install OS 9.1 could I then upgrade it on-line to 10.4.11 ???
I see eBay has several similar machines at prices starting at £50, but nobody seems to be bidding. Is there actually any use for such an old machine?
grey = machine-specific and should say which mac or 'not to be sold separately'
Hans S wrote:
[snip]
I have a OS 9.2.1 disk (retail so should work on any Mac that supports this >> version) that I don't need any more. Interested?
Yes, please. Could you post it? Tell me your email address and I will
give you my postal address. Unless you're near Thetford in Norfolk in
which case I could collect it ...?
I have a OS 9.2.1 disk (retail so should work on any Mac that supports this version) that I don't need any more. Interested?
On 6 Jun 2022 at 19:39:24 BST, "Graham J" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hans S wrote:
[snip]
I have a OS 9.2.1 disk (retail so should work on any Mac that supports this >>> version) that I don't need any more. Interested?
Yes, please. Could you post it? Tell me your email address and I will
give you my postal address. Unless you're near Thetford in Norfolk in
which case I could collect it ...?
You can email me at [email protected].
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