In article <t72umi$1jeg$[email protected]>, Richard Tobin <[email protected]> wrote:

Is there any way to deliver mail to the Mac Mail program, rather than
having it fetch it by POP or IMAP?

that question does not make any sense. email is not 'delivered' to a
specific app, and it hasn't been fetched since the days of pop and
dial-up. everything is kept in sync.

if you mean get an alert when new email arrives, that's how it normally
works when an email app is running. obviously, it can't alert if the
app has been quit, but it will sync and alert when it's launched again
and it reconnects to the server.

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Is there any way to deliver mail to the Mac Mail program, rather than
having it fetch it by POP or IMAP?

-- Richard

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In article <300520221339191380%[email protected]d>,
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:

In article <t72umi$1jeg$[email protected]>, Richard Tobin ><[email protected]> wrote:

Is there any way to deliver mail to the Mac Mail program, rather than
having it fetch it by POP or IMAP?

that question does not make any sense.

It just doesn't fit with your preconceptions.

email is not 'delivered' to a specific app, and it hasn't been
fetched since the days of pop and dial-up. everything is kept in
sync.

That's just pointless quibbling. Even the IMAP RFC refers to fetching
mail.

if you mean get an alert when new email arrives

No.

I want to fetch mail from a server using fetchmail, perform various
filtering and other operations on it, and pass some of it on to Mail
so that it appears in the normal way. I could run a local POP or IMAP
server and have Mail fetch it from there, but I was hoping there would
be a way to pass it to Mail directly.

-- Richard

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Richard Tobin wrote:

[snip]

I want to fetch mail from a server using fetchmail, perform various
filtering and other operations on it, and pass some of it on to Mail
so that it appears in the normal way. I could run a local POP or IMAP
server and have Mail fetch it from there, but I was hoping there would
be a way to pass it to Mail directly.

One mail server can deliver mail to another mail server using SMTP. The receiving mail server must therefore be running 24/7, and accessible. Ordinarily it would be on a static public IP address.

In your instance it could be running on the same machine as runs fetchmail.

But to get mail from a mailserver and into a client the client must
collect it itself, which is usually done using either POP or IMAP; or
via a web browser.


--
Graham J

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In article <t732e9$1l1s$[email protected]>, Richard Tobin <[email protected]> wrote:

Is there any way to deliver mail to the Mac Mail program, rather than
having it fetch it by POP or IMAP?

that question does not make any sense.

It just doesn't fit with your preconceptions.

it doesn't fit with standard terminology. email is not delivered to a
specific app, nor can it be, for reasons that should be obvious.

email is not 'delivered' to a specific app, and it hasn't been
fetched since the days of pop and dial-up. everything is kept in
sync.

That's just pointless quibbling. Even the IMAP RFC refers to fetching
mail.

the spec refers to a lot of stuff that isn't implemented.

if you mean get an alert when new email arrives

No.

I want to fetch mail from a server using fetchmail, perform various
filtering and other operations on it, and pass some of it on to Mail
so that it appears in the normal way. I could run a local POP or IMAP
server and have Mail fetch it from there, but I was hoping there would
be a way to pass it to Mail directly.

unnecessary complexity for what is incredibly easy to do.

create one or more filters in an email app, which is always running.
all other email apps will see the filtered results.

that email app could be apple mail, but it doesn't have to be, and is
probably best if it isn't since apple mail's filters don't work
properly and apple has zero interest in fixing it.

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In article <t733vc$6sr$[email protected]>,
Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

But to get mail from a mailserver and into a client the client must
collect it itself, which is usually done using either POP or IMAP; or
via a web browser.

If I were using, say, Alpine I could just append the message to /var/mail/<user> to do it, but the Mac Mail program doesn't look
there. (/usr/bin/mail still uses it.)

-- Richard

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On 30. May 2022 at 20:29:29 CEST, "Richard Tobin" <Richard Tobin> wrote:

I want to fetch mail from a server using fetchmail, perform various
filtering and other operations on it, and pass some of it on to Mail
so that it appears in the normal way.

Maybe export from fetchmail as .mbox and import into AppleMail via
Applescript?
(Haven´t done anything like that. Just an idea...)

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Richard Tobin <[email protected]> wrote:

The simplest solution is probably to forward the mail to a Gmail
account or similar, and have Mail fetch it from there, but it's
annoying to send it out on the internet again just to get it to a
different program.

Could you run a local IMAP/POP3 server and point it to your .mbox or Maildir
as its mailstore, and then set it up as a 'localhost' mail source in Mail.app?

The main thing is Mail.app would be pulling rather than pushing mail at it,
but maybe you could Applescript the 'Get Mail' button to push mail at it. Although it appears Mail.app supports IMAP's IDLE command, so if you find a local IMAP server that supports it you can use that a mechanism to tell Mail.app there is a new mail waiting.

Theo

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In article <[email protected]>,
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:

I want to fetch mail from a server using fetchmail, perform various
filtering and other operations on it, and pass some of it on to Mail
so that it appears in the normal way.

Maybe export from fetchmail as .mbox and import into AppleMail via >Applescript?

That would probably work, though there would be the question of
whather the same mbox file could be used each time.

The simplest solution is probably to forward the mail to a Gmail
account or similar, and have Mail fetch it from there, but it's
annoying to send it out on the internet again just to get it to a
different program.

Thanks,
-- Richard

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On 31 May 2022 at 12:00:29 BST, "Theo"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Richard Tobin <[email protected]> wrote:

The simplest solution is probably to forward the mail to a Gmail
account or similar, and have Mail fetch it from there, but it's
annoying to send it out on the internet again just to get it to a
different program.

Could you run a local IMAP/POP3 server and point it to your .mbox or Maildir as its mailstore, and then set it up as a 'localhost' mail source in Mail.app?

The main thing is Mail.app would be pulling rather than pushing mail at it, but maybe you could Applescript the 'Get Mail' button to push mail at it. Although it appears Mail.app supports IMAP's IDLE command, so if you find a local IMAP server that supports it you can use that a mechanism to tell Mail.app there is a new mail waiting.

Theo

All a bit Heath Robinson, however you cut it.

What's the actual use case here, Richard? Real time monitoring of some
state has far, far better mechanisms than email, and anything else
probably doesn't need this sort of tomfoolery.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
The Daily Mail should be forced to print the words
'The Paper That Supported Hitler' on its masthead,
just so that there is something that's true on the
front page every day. -- Mark Thomas

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