Have to say all the Sequoia, Sonoma and Sierra, and Mojave and Monterey
get confusing after a while.
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year the releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may well be macOS 26 and not 16.... [[ how do I get Usenapp to quote text ]]
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year the releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may well be macOS 26 and not 16. Whether it will still have a name is unclear.
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/29/will-apple-rename-iphones-ios-26/>
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year the >> releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may
well be macOS 26 and not 16. Whether it will still have a name is unclear. >>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/29/will-apple-rename-iphones-ios-26/>
Is the MacOS name actually used anywhere system-facing, or is it just a marketing name? I'm thinking of things like Ubuntu where the name ('focal', 'jammy', 'noble', etc) is used in the packaging setup. I can't think of places the name is encoded on the system? (although third parties like Homebrew do)
get confusing after a while.
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year the >>> releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may
well be macOS 26 and not 16. Whether it will still have a name is unclear. >>>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/29/will-apple-rename-iphones-ios-26/>
Is the MacOS name actually used anywhere system-facing, or is it just a
marketing name? I'm thinking of things like Ubuntu where the name ('focal', >> 'jammy', 'noble', etc) is used in the packaging setup. I can't think of
places the name is encoded on the system? (although third parties like
Homebrew do)
I’ve always thought that the names are aimed at the American market. The names used don’t mean much to me and several I’d never heard of until Apple
used them.
Have to say all the Sequoia, Sonoma and Sierra, and Mojave and Monterey
get confusing after a while.
When people refer to older releases such as, say, Mountain Lion, I have to think when was it released and what’s the OS number. Changing to a year based system will get around this.
The main advantage of using names is that it avoids the artificial
deadline that a year number imposes.
If only there was some other manufacturer of a widely used operating
system that tried the year numbering approach so we could see how well
it works and how long it lasted. ;-)
Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
The main advantage of using names is that it avoids the artificial
deadline that a year number imposes.
If only there was some other manufacturer of a widely used operating
system that tried the year numbering approach so we could see how well
it works and how long it lasted. ;-)
"Windows 95"
On 30/05/2025 10:52, Alan B wrote:
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year theIs the MacOS name actually used anywhere system-facing, or is it just a
releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may
well be macOS 26 and not 16. Whether it will still have a name is unclear. >>>>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/29/will-apple-rename-iphones-ios-26/> >>>
marketing name? I'm thinking of things like Ubuntu where the name ('focal',
'jammy', 'noble', etc) is used in the packaging setup. I can't think of >>> places the name is encoded on the system? (although third parties like
Homebrew do)
I’ve always thought that the names are aimed at the American market. The >> names used don’t mean much to me and several I’d never heard of until Apple
used them.
Have to say all the Sequoia, Sonoma and Sierra, and Mojave and Monterey
get confusing after a while.
When people refer to older releases such as, say, Mountain Lion, I have to >> think when was it released and what’s the OS number. Changing to a year
based system will get around this.
The main advantage of using names is that it avoids the artificial
deadline that a year number imposes.
If only there was some other manufacturer of a widely used operating
system that tried the year numbering approach so we could see how well
it works and how long it lasted. ;-)
Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
The main advantage of using names is that it avoids the artificial
deadline that a year number imposes.
If only there was some other manufacturer of a widely used operating
system that tried the year numbering approach so we could see how well
it works and how long it lasted. ;-)
"Windows 95"
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for
many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the
names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
I do recall songs by the Beach Boys about Big Sur and Monterey by Eric Burdon and
The Animals. Showing my age now ;-)
Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
The main advantage of using names is that it avoids the artificial
deadline that a year number imposes.
If only there was some other manufacturer of a widely used operating
system that tried the year numbering approach so we could see how well
it works and how long it lasted. ;-)
"Windows 95"
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 07:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
I *liked* "Snow Leopard".
Did they just run out of cats or something?
On 30 May 2025 at 10:38:37 am BST, "Another John" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 30 May 2025 at 10:21:10 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
Have to say all the Sequoia, Sonoma and Sierra, and Mojave and Monterey
get confusing after a while.
Agreed, but their "official" names are 10.15.x, aren't they, "so we know where
we stand"?
But anyway: Alan said:
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year the
releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may
well be macOS 26 and not 16.... [[ how do I get Usenapp to quote text ]]
Why would it be macOS 26 and not 25? Or is that another sophistication that I
need to keep up with?
I think It's because it spans both years.
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
I do recall songs by the Beach Boys about Big Sur and Monterey by Eric Burdon and
The Animals. Showing my age now ;-)
Not forgetting Ventura Highway by America in the 70's. And, as confirmed by Savageduck, Catalina was the name given to a WW2 flying boat - but that was before my time!.
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 22:09:45 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
The main advantage of using names is that it avoids the artificial
deadline that a year number imposes.
If only there was some other manufacturer of a widely used operating
system that tried the year numbering approach so we could see how well >>>> it works and how long it lasted. ;-)
"Windows 95"
Windows 98.
Windows 2000.
Windows ... err ... ME?
Why wasn't that one marketed as "Windows MM"?
"E" doesn't have a numerical value in Latin. Does it?
It was a non-release and simply a stop-gap. They had hoped they could have merged the NT line of Windows with the consumer versions with Windows 2000, but it didn't really work as consumers wanted it to. They added some fluff
to Win98 and called it Windows "Me". It didn't make sense and few people upgraded to it.
WinXP which did manage to merge NT with retail was released about a year later. So Me was very short lived.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 07:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
I *liked* "Snow Leopard".
Did they just run out of cats or something?
On 31/05/2025 18:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for
many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the
names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
*NO*!
macOS (previously Mac OS X and OS X) versions have been named after
*two different themes* over time:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
I do recall songs by the Beach Boys about Big Sur and Monterey by Eric Burdon and
The Animals. Showing my age now ;-)
Not forgetting Ventura Highway by America in the 70's. And, as confirmed by >> Savageduck, Catalina was the name given to a WW2 flying boat - but that was >> before my time!.
IIRC US planes with such names were usually the British versions, in the US it was usually called the PBY. So Catalina in that context wouldn't have meant much to Apple.
Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
I do recall songs by the Beach Boys about Big Sur and Monterey by Eric Burdon and
The Animals. Showing my age now ;-)
Not forgetting Ventura Highway by America in the 70's. And, as confirmed by >>> Savageduck, Catalina was the name given to a WW2 flying boat - but that was >>> before my time!.
IIRC US planes with such names were usually the British versions, in the US >> it was usually called the PBY. So Catalina in that context wouldn't have
meant much to Apple.
Yes you are correct. The point I was trying to make was, apart from the obvious big
cat names, most of the rest meant not a lot to non American users. I wonder if the
next macOS will still have a name associated with it? Perhaps Apple will consult the
POTUS ;-)
On 01/06/2025 08:39, Alan B wrote:
Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates >>>>>>>> for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and >>>>>>>> the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
I do recall songs by the Beach Boys about Big Sur and Monterey by
Eric Burdon and
The Animals. Showing my age now ;-)
Not forgetting Ventura Highway by America in the 70's. And, as
confirmed by
Savageduck, Catalina was the name given to a WW2 flying boat - but
that was
before my time!.
IIRC US planes with such names were usually the British versions, in
the US
it was usually called the PBY. So Catalina in that context wouldn't have >>> meant much to Apple.
Yes you are correct. The point I was trying to make was, apart from
the obvious big
cat names, most of the rest meant not a lot to non American users. I
wonder if the
next macOS will still have a name associated with it? Perhaps Apple
will consult the
POTUS ;-)
macOS Bigly? macOS Covfefe?
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
On 01/06/2025 11:55, Chris Ridd wrote:
macOS Bigly? macOS Covfefe?
macOS MAGA macOS Doge, macOS Tarrif?
On 2025-06-01, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 01/06/2025 11:55, Chris Ridd wrote:
[snip]
macOS Bigly? macOS Covfefe?
macOS MAGA macOS Doge, macOS Tarrif?
Well the pre-WWDC rumours have started -> Tahoe, apparently a lake in California.
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 07:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
I *liked* "Snow Leopard".
Did they just run out of cats or something?
Yup. They down to Moggy and Lynx.
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 07:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
I *liked* "Snow Leopard".
Did they just run out of cats or something?
I believe that was the issue they were having.
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
On 30 May 2025 at 10:38:37 am BST, "Another John" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 30 May 2025 at 10:21:10 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> > wrote:I think It's because it spans both years.
Have to say all the Sequoia, Sonoma and Sierra, and Mojave and Monterey >> >> get confusing after a while.
Agreed, but their "official" names are 10.15.x, aren't they, "so we know where
we stand"?
But anyway: Alan said:
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year the
releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may
well be macOS 26 and not 16.... [[ how do I get Usenapp to quote text ]]
Why would it be macOS 26 and not 25? Or is that another sophistication that I
need to keep up with?
It's a bit like car model years - the car might launched mid-year, and
people start receiving them towards the end of the year, so the model year
is the year after the one it's been launched.
See also magazine issues dated the month after the one they're published in. >Christmas (December) issues in November and so on.
Theo
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 22:09:45 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
The main advantage of using names is that it avoids the artificial
deadline that a year number imposes.
If only there was some other manufacturer of a widely used operating
system that tried the year numbering approach so we could see how well >>>> it works and how long it lasted. ;-)
"Windows 95"
Windows 98.
Windows 2000.
Windows ... err ... ME?
Why wasn't that one marketed as "Windows MM"?
"E" doesn't have a numerical value in Latin. Does it?
It was a non-release and simply a stop-gap. They had hoped they could have >merged the NT line of Windows with the consumer versions with Windows 2000, >but it didn't really work as consumers wanted it to. They added some fluff
to Win98 and called it Windows "Me". It didn't make sense and few people >upgraded to it.
WinXP which did manage to merge NT with retail was released about a year >later. So Me was very short lived.
Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 31/05/2025 08:54, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-31, Tyrone <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
I'm all for Apple doing it. They have been doing yearly updates for many years
now. The current numbering scheme is confusing/inconsistent and the names for
MacOS are silly and useless.
Outside N. America most of the names mean sfa.
Aren't they all related to Yellowstone National Park?
I do recall songs by the Beach Boys about Big Sur and Monterey by Eric Burdon and
The Animals. Showing my age now ;-)
Not forgetting Ventura Highway by America in the 70's. And, as confirmed by >>> Savageduck, Catalina was the name given to a WW2 flying boat - but that was >>> before my time!.
IIRC US planes with such names were usually the British versions, in the US >> it was usually called the PBY. So Catalina in that context wouldn't have
meant much to Apple.
Yes you are correct. The point I was trying to make was, apart from the obvious big
cat names, most of the rest meant not a lot to non American users. I wonder if the
next macOS will still have a name associated with it? Perhaps Apple will consult the
POTUS ;-)
Well the pre-WWDC rumours have started -> Tahoe, apparently a lake in >California.
That definitely won't confuse the BSD folk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Berkeley_Software_Distribution
Is there really a sufficiently large overlap in user bases for it to
matter?
On 02/06/2025 12:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-06-01, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 01/06/2025 11:55, Chris Ridd wrote:
[snip]
macOS Bigly? macOS Covfefe?
macOS MAGA macOS Doge, macOS Tarrif?
Well the pre-WWDC rumours have started -> Tahoe, apparently a lake in California.
That definitely won't confuse the BSD folk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Berkeley_Software_Distribution
Wicky-P says there are just 41 cats. Many of them are "Something Cat"
- (Pallas Cat, Fishing Cat, that sort of thing) - and a couple are
names that Apple might not find suitable for OSes.
So, yes, they just ran out of cats.
On 31 May 2025 22:00:14 +0100 (BST), Theo
<[email protected]> wrote:
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
On 30 May 2025 at 10:38:37 am BST, "Another John" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 30 May 2025 at 10:21:10 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:I think It's because it spans both years.
Have to say all the Sequoia, Sonoma and Sierra, and Mojave and Monterey >>>>> get confusing after a while.
Agreed, but their "official" names are 10.15.x, aren't they, "so we know where
we stand"?
But anyway: Alan said:
The OS numbering scheme is rumoured to be going to be based on the year the
releases are aimed at. So the next major release of macOS later this year may
well be macOS 26 and not 16.... [[ how do I get Usenapp to quote text ]]
Why would it be macOS 26 and not 25? Or is that another sophistication that I
need to keep up with?
It's a bit like car model years - the car might launched mid-year, and
people start receiving them towards the end of the year, so the model year >> is the year after the one it's been launched.
See also magazine issues dated the month after the one they're published in. >> Christmas (December) issues in November and so on.
"Superman" style comics sometimes were sold months before the date
in the little box on the cover.
Or so I seem to remember.
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Wicky-P says there are just 41 cats. Many of them are "Something Cat"
- (Pallas Cat, Fishing Cat, that sort of thing) - and a couple are
names that Apple might not find suitable for OSes.
So, yes, they just ran out of cats.
But evey cat has three names...
...they can't have used them all.
And, as I mentioned in a previous, there are loads of fungi.
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 09:34:14 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Wicky-P says there are just 41 cats. Many of them are "Something Cat"
- (Pallas Cat, Fishing Cat, that sort of thing) - and a couple are
names that Apple might not find suitable for OSes.
So, yes, they just ran out of cats.
But evey cat has three names...
Mine didn't.
(He was a semi-wild rescue cat - or at least, what was left of one - and
his offspring made up 90% of the kittens at the local piggery.)
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 09:34:14 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Wicky-P says there are just 41 cats. Many of them are "Something Cat"
- (Pallas Cat, Fishing Cat, that sort of thing) - and a couple are
names that Apple might not find suitable for OSes.
So, yes, they just ran out of cats.
But evey cat has three names...
Mine didn't.
You haven't read T.S. Eliot?
Our cat didn't have a name to start with because he was the only cat we
had, so there was no need to distinguish him from any other cat. Later
my grandmother called him "The Ugly Stinker", the name seemed
appropriate, so it stuck.
(He was a semi-wild rescue cat - or at least, what was left of one - and
his offspring made up 90% of the kittens at the local piggery.)
On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 17:48:06 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 09:34:14 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Wicky-P says there are just 41 cats. Many of them are "Something Cat" >> >> - (Pallas Cat, Fishing Cat, that sort of thing) - and a couple are
names that Apple might not find suitable for OSes.
So, yes, they just ran out of cats.
But evey cat has three names...
Mine didn't.
You haven't read T.S. Eliot?
He didn't invent the idea of demons and gods having secret, sacred
names by which they could be summoned. Cats, obviously, are included
in those groups. Probably both.
The problem is that humans can't usually pronounce the sacred, magic
names of cats and they only respond to their human names when they can
be bothered to. Or when prawns are present.
Our cat didn't have a name to start with because he was the only cat we >had, so there was no need to distinguish him from any other cat. Later
my grandmother called him "The Ugly Stinker", the name seemed
appropriate, so it stuck.
(He was a semi-wild rescue cat - or at least, what was left of one - and >his offspring made up 90% of the kittens at the local piggery.)
"Piggery"?
Okay, I do need to ask, are you sure you meant a place full of
porcines? Not a cattery?
Hawks, owls, chickens and horses are good for mice reductions but
even those aren't capable of exterminating them.
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 17:48:06 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 09:34:14 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Wicky-P says there are just 41 cats. Many of them are "Something Cat" >> >> >> - (Pallas Cat, Fishing Cat, that sort of thing) - and a couple are
names that Apple might not find suitable for OSes.
So, yes, they just ran out of cats.
But evey cat has three names...
Mine didn't.
You haven't read T.S. Eliot?
He didn't invent the idea of demons and gods having secret, sacred
names by which they could be summoned. Cats, obviously, are included
in those groups. Probably both.
The problem is that humans can't usually pronounce the sacred, magic
names of cats and they only respond to their human names when they can
be bothered to. Or when prawns are present.
Our cat didn't have a name to start with because he was the only cat we
had, so there was no need to distinguish him from any other cat. Later
my grandmother called him "The Ugly Stinker", the name seemed
appropriate, so it stuck.
(He was a semi-wild rescue cat - or at least, what was left of one - and
his offspring made up 90% of the kittens at the local piggery.)
"Piggery"?
Okay, I do need to ask, are you sure you meant a place full of
porcines? Not a cattery?
Yes, the porcine place. In those days (the 1950s) they fed the pigs on >boiled-down kitchen waste which was collected in bins on street corners
("pig bins"). The stores of waste attracted mice, so they had loads of
cats to keep down the mice.
After our tomcat had had his way, they has even more cats. We knew
where he had been by the smell of the pigs adding to his own randy
effluvia.
On 06/06/2025 10:20, John wrote:
Hawks, owls, chickens and horses are good for mice reductions but
even those aren't capable of exterminating them.
Horses???
Did you ever try to *wash* the kitty?
On 06/06/2025 21:01, John wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 10:38:49 +0100, Graeme Wall
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/06/2025 10:20, John wrote:
Hawks, owls, chickens and horses are good for mice reductions but
even those aren't capable of exterminating them.
Horses???
Yerp.
Horses eat mice. Chickens eat mice. Pigs eat just about anything this
side of concrete, including mice. Humans used to eat dormice but I
don't remember any culture having a diet of real mice though there is
no reason why they shouldn't.
There's now videos of horses slurping up mice available on YouTube
for anyone who doubts their dietary extensiveness. Personaly, I think
that the only reason they don't eat people is that people are too
large.
J.
Fascinating, I always thought horses were purely vegetarian.
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 10:38:49 +0100, Graeme Wall
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/06/2025 10:20, John wrote:
Hawks, owls, chickens and horses are good for mice reductions but
even those aren't capable of exterminating them.
Horses???
Yerp.
Horses eat mice. Chickens eat mice. Pigs eat just about anything this
side of concrete, including mice. Humans used to eat dormice but I
don't remember any culture having a diet of real mice though there is
no reason why they shouldn't.
There's now videos of horses slurping up mice available on YouTube
for anyone who doubts their dietary extensiveness. Personaly, I think
that the only reason they don't eat people is that people are too
large.
J.
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Did you ever try to *wash* the kitty?
No - I don't think anyone who tried that would have lived to tell the
tale. Judging by the scars and frayed edges, this one knew how to look
after himself.
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Did you ever try to *wash* the kitty?
No - I don't think anyone who tried that would have lived to tell the
tale. Judging by the scars and frayed edges, this one knew how to look
after himself.
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 22:13:53 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Did you ever try to *wash* the kitty?
No - I don't think anyone who tried that would have lived to tell the
tale. Judging by the scars and frayed edges, this one knew how to look
after himself.
My mail cat used to fight dogs, cats and badgers. He *tried* to fight
a hedgehog ... once. Cats may be terribly dumb but that one was not
stupid enough to fight a second hedgehog.
He was big, fast, strong, smart-for-a-cat and probably mean (outside, indoors, he was gentle and nice to us) and he must have won every
fight he took on because he had zero wounds.
It might have helped that I "fought" with him as a sort of play or training, using my right hand as his "enemy". If he could fight a
humanoid, a tiny thing like a badger (European variety, black and
white stripy thingy) wasn't going to worry him overly much.
Strangely, he used to lie in the Sun on the grass while the local
birds ate his leftover catfood all around him. He never bothered them.
He didn't seem to know that he should have.
And, no, I never tried to wash him. He wasn't very smell, he kept
himself clean and I was bloody terrified of the consequences. He might
have been a hundredth of my mass but he had sharp bits.
*Lots* of sharp bits.
I still have scars.
On 08/06/2025 00:57, John wrote:
*Lots* of sharp bits.
I still have scars.
🙂
That made me larf out loud! (Especially the "mail" cat bit!)
Tell me, John, would YOU carry out this instruction?
https://i.ibb.co/CsDFtNvL/Screenshot-2025-06-08-at-07-59-03.png
(just a screenshot!)
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Did you ever try to *wash* the kitty?
No - I don't think anyone who tried that would have lived to tell the
tale. Judging by the scars and frayed edges, this one knew how to look
after himself.
On 08.06.25 09:30, David wrote:
On 08/06/2025 00:57, John wrote:
*Lots* of sharp bits.
I still have scars.
🙂
That made me larf out loud! (Especially the "mail" cat bit!)
Tell me, John, would YOU carry out this instruction?
https://i.ibb.co/CsDFtNvL/Screenshot-2025-06-08-at-07-59-03.png
(just a screenshot!)
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
On 08.06.25 09:30, David wrote:
On 08/06/2025 00:57, John wrote:
*Lots* of sharp bits.
I still have scars.
🙂
That made me larf out loud! (Especially the "mail" cat bit!)
Tell me, John, would YOU carry out this instruction?
https://i.ibb.co/CsDFtNvL/Screenshot-2025-06-08-at-07-59-03.png
(just a screenshot!)
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
In article <[email protected]>,
John <[email protected]> wrote:
And, as I mentioned in a previous, there are loads of fungi.
We used to use Scottish islands as hostnames for our computers.
There are plenty of them.
Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
On 08.06.25 09:30, David wrote:
On 08/06/2025 00:57, John wrote:
*Lots* of sharp bits.
I still have scars.
🙂
That made me larf out loud! (Especially the "mail" cat bit!)
Tell me, John, would YOU carry out this instruction?
https://i.ibb.co/CsDFtNvL/Screenshot-2025-06-08-at-07-59-03.png
(just a screenshot!)
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
Ignore him. He’s an attention seeking narcissist trying as usual to hijack the thread .
On 08.06.25 09:30, David wrote:
On 08/06/2025 00:57, John wrote:
*Lots* of sharp bits.
I still have scars.
?
That made me larf out loud! (Especially the "mail" cat bit!)
Tell me, John, would YOU carry out this instruction?
https://i.ibb.co/CsDFtNvL/Screenshot-2025-06-08-at-07-59-03.png
(just a screenshot!)
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 22:13:53 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
[...]
Did you ever try to *wash* the kitty?
No - I don't think anyone who tried that would have lived to tell the >>tale. Judging by the scars and frayed edges, this one knew how to look >>after himself.
My mail
On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 11:38:03 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 08.06.25 09:30, David wrote:
On 08/06/2025 00:57, John wrote:
*Lots* of sharp bits.
I still have scars.
?
That made me larf out loud! (Especially the "mail" cat bit!)
Yes, well, sorry. Or I'm happy to help. Or something. :)
Tell me, John, would YOU carry out this instruction?
Which instruction? To vote on how helpful something is? Maybe. It
depends on how helpful something is and whether I trust the web-page supplier.
I do tend to trust Apple pages. *IF* I type in the URL myself, not
copy it from somewhere or click on an email linkie.
https://i.ibb.co/CsDFtNvL/Screenshot-2025-06-08-at-07-59-03.png
(just a screenshot!)
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
Oh. So that's why I'm seeing your reply and not the poster's post. I
have Davey Boy blocked under about seven thousand different 'nyms and
he keeps changing them.
I've politely asked him not to, to stick to one so I can keep him
blocked but he's too inconsiderate, evil, selfish and convinced of his
own importance to do this. He's a fucking Trumpanzee, but without
Trumpet's wit, grace, maturity and intellect.
On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 11:38:03 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
Oh. So that's why I'm seeing your reply and not the poster's post. I
have Davey Boy blocked under about seven thousand different 'nyms and
he keeps changing them.
I've politely asked him not to, to stick to one so I can keep him
blocked but he's too inconsiderate, evil, selfish and convinced of his
own importance to do this. He's a fucking Trumpanzee, but without
Trumpet's wit, grace, maturity
On 09/06/2025 20:07, John wrote:
I've politely asked him not to, to stick to one so I can keep him
blocked but he's too inconsiderate, evil, selfish and convinced of his
own importance to do this. He's a fucking Trumpanzee, but without
Trumpet's wit, grace, maturity and intellect.
That's a low blow...
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 11:38:03 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
Oh. So that's why I'm seeing your reply and not the poster's post. I
have Davey Boy blocked under about seven thousand different 'nyms and
he keeps changing them.
I've politely asked him not to, to stick to one so I can keep him
blocked but he's too inconsiderate, evil, selfish and convinced of his
own importance to do this. He's a fucking Trumpanzee, but without
Trumpet's wit, grace, maturity
Well at least he’s not impersonated you yet. Sadly some of us haven’t been
so fortunate
<https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CkuifqrFac5jU1%40mid.individual.net%3E>
John <[email protected]rd> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 11:38:03 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]>
wrote:
Nymshifter & Troll David Brooks you must be very desperate.
Oh. So that's why I'm seeing your reply and not the poster's post. I
have Davey Boy blocked under about seven thousand different 'nyms and
he keeps changing them.
I've politely asked him not to, to stick to one so I can keep him
blocked but he's too inconsiderate, evil, selfish and convinced of his
own importance to do this. He's a fucking Trumpanzee, but without
Trumpet's wit, grace, maturity
Well at least he’s not impersonated you yet. Sadly some of us haven’t been >so fortunate
<https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CkuifqrFac5jU1%40mid.individual.net%3E>
On 09/06/2025 20:07, John wrote:
I've politely asked him not to, to stick to one so I can keep him
blocked but he's too inconsiderate, evil, selfish and convinced of his
own importance to do this. He's a fucking Trumpanzee, but without
Trumpet's wit, grace, maturity and intellect.
That's a low blow...
On 09/06/2025 20:33, David Kennedy wrote:
On 09/06/2025 20:07, John wrote:
� I've politely asked him not to, to stick to one so I can keep him
blocked but he's too inconsiderate, evil, selfish and convinced of his
own importance to do this. He's a fucking Trumpanzee, but without
Trumpet's wit, grace, maturity and intellect.
That's a low blow...
Trumpanzee, I like it.
Trumpanzee, I like it.
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