Do I have to enable iCloud in order to set a passkey? At the mo, iCloud remains unsetup and turned off, because like a lot of this stuff one doesn't know what it's actually doing. I'd prefer to keep things this way, but they seem to be stuffing passkeys down our throats. Which also would seem to be platform-dependent.
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
Do I have to enable iCloud in order to set a passkey? At the mo, iCloud
remains unsetup and turned off, because like a lot of this stuff one doesn't >> know what it's actually doing. I'd prefer to keep things this way, but they >> seem to be stuffing passkeys down our throats. Which also would seem to be >> platform-dependent.
No, but.
Passkeys are like SSH public-private keys but with some extra features:
- a check that prevents you using a passkey for a site different to the one it was set up for, to prevent phishing
- different ways to unlock the passkey which may include biometrics, potentially with a second device over Bluetooth. These are mostly optional.
Now, SSH keys are just files on your disc and how to manage and sync them between machines is up to you. That's not really usable for regular users
so passkeys add another layer on top, which is how to sync them between machines. This is where the trouble starts.
Apple, Google, MS etc are dead keen that you use *their* passkey syncing solution, because it locks you into their ecosystem. eg Apple will not let you export passkeys from iCloud ever, which means that if you want to switch to Windows you have to set up every account again - this is a PITA which is extra friction for switching platforms.
Complicating matters, some websites may only allow you to register one passkey - that's no good if you want to access the website from a Mac and an Android and iCloud holds your passkeys.
However, many password managers support passkeys. That gives you a cross-platform way to sync passkeys and manage them, and you can choose a password manager that suits your needs. You would have to install the password manager into the browser(s) you want to use as I don't think you
can cut and paste like you can passwords.
The other issue is that many web sites have zero customer service (hello Google) and if you screw up your passkeys you might get locked out with no means to regain access to your account - email reset may be disabled in the name of security and there's no equivalent to 'show up at the police station with your passport' to bootstrap a reset procedure.
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
Do I have to enable iCloud in order to set a passkey? At the mo, iCloud
remains unsetup and turned off, because like a lot of this stuff one doesn't >> know what it's actually doing. I'd prefer to keep things this way, but they >> seem to be stuffing passkeys down our throats. Which also would seem to be >> platform-dependent.
No, but.
Passkeys are like SSH public-private keys but with some extra features:
- a check that prevents you using a passkey for a site different to the one it was set up for, to prevent phishing
- different ways to unlock the passkey which may include biometrics, potentially with a second device over Bluetooth. These are mostly optional.
Now, SSH keys are just files on your disc and how to manage and sync them between machines is up to you. That's not really usable for regular users
so passkeys add another layer on top, which is how to sync them between machines. This is where the trouble starts.
Apple, Google, MS etc are dead keen that you use *their* passkey syncing solution, because it locks you into their ecosystem. eg Apple will not let you export passkeys from iCloud ever, which means that if you want to switch to Windows you have to set up every account again - this is a PITA which is extra friction for switching platforms.
Complicating matters, some websites may only allow you to register one passkey - that's no good if you want to access the website from a Mac and an Android and iCloud holds your passkeys.
However, many password managers support passkeys. That gives you a cross-platform way to sync passkeys and manage them, and you can choose a password manager that suits your needs. You would have to install the password manager into the browser(s) you want to use as I don't think you
can cut and paste like you can passwords.
The other issue is that many web sites have zero customer service (hello Google) and if you screw up your passkeys you might get locked out with no means to regain access to your account - email reset may be disabled in the name of security and there's no equivalent to 'show up at the police station with your passport' to bootstrap a reset procedure.
Theo
On 8 May 2025 at 22:12:04 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
Do I have to enable iCloud in order to set a passkey? At the mo, iCloud
remains unsetup and turned off, because like a lot of this stuff one doesn't
know what it's actually doing. I'd prefer to keep things this way, but they >>> seem to be stuffing passkeys down our throats. Which also would seem to be >>> platform-dependent.
No, but.
Passkeys are like SSH public-private keys but with some extra features:
- a check that prevents you using a passkey for a site different to the one >> it was set up for, to prevent phishing
- different ways to unlock the passkey which may include biometrics,
potentially with a second device over Bluetooth. These are mostly optional. >>
Now, SSH keys are just files on your disc and how to manage and sync them
between machines is up to you. That's not really usable for regular users >> so passkeys add another layer on top, which is how to sync them between
machines. This is where the trouble starts.
Apple, Google, MS etc are dead keen that you use *their* passkey syncing
solution, because it locks you into their ecosystem. eg Apple will not let >> you export passkeys from iCloud ever, which means that if you want to switch >> to Windows you have to set up every account again - this is a PITA which is >> extra friction for switching platforms.
Complicating matters, some websites may only allow you to register one
passkey - that's no good if you want to access the website from a Mac and an >> Android and iCloud holds your passkeys.
However, many password managers support passkeys. That gives you a
cross-platform way to sync passkeys and manage them, and you can choose a
password manager that suits your needs. You would have to install the
password manager into the browser(s) you want to use as I don't think you
can cut and paste like you can passwords.
The other issue is that many web sites have zero customer service (hello
Google) and if you screw up your passkeys you might get locked out with no >> means to regain access to your account - email reset may be disabled in the >> name of security and there's no equivalent to 'show up at the police station >> with your passport' to bootstrap a reset procedure.
Thanks. All of which spells AVOID in large letters.
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
However, many password managers support passkeys. That gives you a
cross-platform way to sync passkeys and manage them, and you can choose a
password manager that suits your needs. You would have to install the
password manager into the browser(s) you want to use as I don't think you
can cut and paste like you can passwords.
The other issue is that many web sites have zero customer service (hello
Google) and if you screw up your passkeys you might get locked out with no >> means to regain access to your account - email reset may be disabled in the >> name of security and there's no equivalent to 'show up at the police station >> with your passport' to bootstrap a reset procedure.
Many thanks for this Theo. I have been wondering for a while what the benefits of passkeys are, especially over MFA and a strong password.
Will continue to skip the requests and hope they don't become demands.
They start to do so: Microsoft just announced to open new accounts only
with passkeys in the future.
Many thanks for this Theo. I have been wondering for a while what the benefits of passkeys are, especially over MFA and a strong password.
Will continue to skip the requests and hope they don't become demands.
Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09.05.25 09:11, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
They start to do so: Microsoft just announced to open new accounts only
with passkeys in the future.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/04/security_news_in_brief/
That's ok. The only MS account I have is through work, so it's their
problem not mine.
I'd keep an eye on things until they settle down. Passkeys are a good thing IMHO, but the various kinks need to be worked out.
On 09.05.25 11:52, Theo wrote:
I'd keep an eye on things until they settle down. Passkeys are a good thing
IMHO, but the various kinks need to be worked out.
They are another layer of dependency on big tech.
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Many thanks for this Theo. I have been wondering for a while what the
benefits of passkeys are, especially over MFA and a strong password.
The main advantages are the phishing protection and the biometrics.
The current trend nowadays is the 'evil proxy'. I send you a phishing email
saying 'blah blah please [do something]' - let's say I copy a real email from a service like an email provider saying your mailbox is full. You aren't paying attention and click on the link in the email, which takes you to the phishing site.
The phishing site sees your request and goes off to fetch the real website's
login page, which it presents to you. Everything you do on the phishing site is mirrored at the real website - to all intents and purposes it *is* the real website, so the old cues like dodgy spelling or layout don't apply here.
The only thing different is that the phishing site sees your password, your MFA code and your login cookie. Once they have the login cookie they are logged in as you and can do anything you can do.
Passkeys prevent this because the system will never present a passkey for a site different to the one the passkey was set up for.
So we should have been using ssh keys all along?
On 08.05.25 23:26, TimS wrote:
On 8 May 2025 at 22:12:04 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
Do I have to enable iCloud in order to set a passkey? At the mo, iCloud >>> remains unsetup and turned off, because like a lot of this stuff one doesn't
know what it's actually doing. I'd prefer to keep things this way, but they
seem to be stuffing passkeys down our throats. Which also would seem to be
platform-dependent.
No, but.
Passkeys are like SSH public-private keys but with some extra features:
- a check that prevents you using a passkey for a site different to the one
it was set up for, to prevent phishing
- different ways to unlock the passkey which may include biometrics,
potentially with a second device over Bluetooth. These are mostly optional.
Now, SSH keys are just files on your disc and how to manage and sync them >> between machines is up to you. That's not really usable for regular users >> so passkeys add another layer on top, which is how to sync them between
machines. This is where the trouble starts.
Apple, Google, MS etc are dead keen that you use *their* passkey syncing >> solution, because it locks you into their ecosystem. eg Apple will not let
you export passkeys from iCloud ever, which means that if you want to switch
to Windows you have to set up every account again - this is a PITA which is
extra friction for switching platforms.
Complicating matters, some websites may only allow you to register one
passkey - that's no good if you want to access the website from a Mac and an
Android and iCloud holds your passkeys.
However, many password managers support passkeys. That gives you a
cross-platform way to sync passkeys and manage them, and you can choose a >> password manager that suits your needs. You would have to install the
password manager into the browser(s) you want to use as I don't think you >> can cut and paste like you can passwords.
The other issue is that many web sites have zero customer service (hello >> Google) and if you screw up your passkeys you might get locked out with no >> means to regain access to your account - email reset may be disabled in the
name of security and there's no equivalent to 'show up at the police station
with your passport' to bootstrap a reset procedure.
Thanks. All of which spells AVOID in large letters.
+1; at almost all cost (what I do)
Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09.05.25 11:52, Theo wrote:
I'd keep an eye on things until they settle down. Passkeys are a good thing
IMHO, but the various kinks need to be worked out.
They are another layer of dependency on big tech.
They don't have to be. You can manage them yourselves, just like you can manage your SSH keys by hand. No doubt sooner or later someone is going to come up with a passkey manager that uses git as a syncing mechanism and 'everything is a file'.
The problem is that most people can't cope with that, just like they can't cope with 400 passwords. With passwords many just take the easy approach
and share passwords across sites.
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has
it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have
access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has
it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
If you use a password manager to store your passkeys, in theory exactly the same. If they have chosen to use a biometric to unlock individual keys then maybe you can't unlock them, but that's a choice they make when setting them up. You don't have to use biometrics if you don't want to, although some workflows will try to corral you into doing so.
If you let iCloud/Google/MS store your passkeys then it's down to their own access/recovery procedures - I'm not familiar with those.
On 10 May 2025 at 10:47:17 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have
access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has >>> it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
If you use a password manager to store your passkeys, in theory exactly the >> same. If they have chosen to use a biometric to unlock individual keys then >> maybe you can't unlock them, but that's a choice they make when setting them >> up. You don't have to use biometrics if you don't want to, although some
workflows will try to corral you into doing so.
If you let iCloud/Google/MS store your passkeys then it's down to their own >> access/recovery procedures - I'm not familiar with those.
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking, but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
On 10 May 2025 at 10:47:17 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have
access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has >>> it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
If you use a password manager to store your passkeys, in theory exactly the >> same. If they have chosen to use a biometric to unlock individual keys then >> maybe you can't unlock them, but that's a choice they make when setting them >> up. You don't have to use biometrics if you don't want to, although some
workflows will try to corral you into doing so.
If you let iCloud/Google/MS store your passkeys then it's down to their own >> access/recovery procedures - I'm not familiar with those.
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking, but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
On 10.05.25 12:50, TimS wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 10:47:17 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have >>>> access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has >>>> it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
If you use a password manager to store your passkeys, in theory exactly the >>> same. If they have chosen to use a biometric to unlock individual keys then
maybe you can't unlock them, but that's a choice they make when setting them
up. You don't have to use biometrics if you don't want to, although some >>> workflows will try to corral you into doing so.
If you let iCloud/Google/MS store your passkeys then it's down to their own >>> access/recovery procedures - I'm not familiar with those.
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a
passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints.
The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger.
Then it is foolproof.
On 10 May 2025 at 14:26:40 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints.
The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger.
Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
On 2025-05-11, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 14:26:40 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints. >>> The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger.
Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither
could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Or MacBooks Pro & Air or any monitor which has a built-in camera?
On 2025-05-11, John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 14:26:40 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints. >>> The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger.
Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither
could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Or MacBooks Pro & Air or any monitor which has a built-in camera?
[...] any Zoom/Teams shit.
On 2025-05-11, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:
[...] any Zoom/Teams shit.
Well that's something we can agree on ;-)
- 2FA/biometrics is possible but a PITA (PC/SC smartcards and stuff) so in
reality only enterprisey people use them. Yubikeys exist, but only crypto
nerds have worked out how to use them (and big limitations eg max 25 keys)
On 10 May 2025 at 14:26:40 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10.05.25 12:50, TimS wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 10:47:17 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have >>>>> access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has >>>>> it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
If you use a password manager to store your passkeys, in theory exactly the
same. If they have chosen to use a biometric to unlock individual keys then
maybe you can't unlock them, but that's a choice they make when setting them
up. You don't have to use biometrics if you don't want to, although some >>>> workflows will try to corral you into doing so.
If you let iCloud/Google/MS store your passkeys then it's down to their own
access/recovery procedures - I'm not familiar with those.
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a
passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints.
The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger.
Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Old John.
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a
passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints.
The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger.
Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 14:26:40 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On 10.05.25 12:50, TimS wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 10:47:17 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have >>>>>>> access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has
it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
If you use a password manager to store your passkeys, in theory exactly the
same. If they have chosen to use a biometric to unlock individual keys then
maybe you can't unlock them, but that's a choice they make when setting them
up. You don't have to use biometrics if you don't want to, although some
workflows will try to corral you into doing so.
If you let iCloud/Google/MS store your passkeys then it's down to their own
access/recovery procedures - I'm not familiar with those.
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a >>>>> passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints. >>>> The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger. >>>> Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither
could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Old John.
Because it’s not the camera that does the FaceID stuff, there’s a different
sensor for that. It actually scans your face profile using multiple points, >> and is not based on a photo.
Are you sure about that? Yes, FaceID needs a second device, but it is an IR projector to project a special pattern on your face. The pattern is then
read by the usual camera for matching via the neural engine.
On 2025-05-12, RJH <[email protected]> wrote:
On 11 May 2025 at 08:43:53 BST, John Hill wrote:
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a >>>>> passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints. >>>> The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger. >>>> Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither
could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Face ID is suspiciously reliable for me - clean shaven or full beard, glasses
or not, eyes open or closed. Just works, and I've never knowingly cailbrated >> it for some years.
Touch ID works until I do anything like gardening or DIY.
Even a slightly damp finger seems to upset it here!
On 12.05.25 09:41, Alan B wrote:
On 2025-05-12, RJH <[email protected]> wrote:
On 11 May 2025 at 08:43:53 BST, John Hill wrote:
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a >>>>>> passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints. >>>>> The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger. >>>>> Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither
could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Face ID is suspiciously reliable for me - clean shaven or full beard, glasses
or not, eyes open or closed. Just works, and I've never knowingly cailbrated
it for some years.
Touch ID works until I do anything like gardening or DIY.
Even a slightly damp finger seems to upset it here!
Again: Register the finger you use to log into your device twice. That increases the recognition rate by factors.
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 14:26:40 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 10.05.25 12:50, TimS wrote:
On 10 May 2025 at 10:47:17 BST, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
What's the situation if someone dies but they want people to still have
access?
I have shared my pw manager master password with a trusted person who has
it in their pw manager, so at least all is not lost.
It reads like passkeys are more restrictive.
If you use a password manager to store your passkeys, in theory exactly the
same. If they have chosen to use a biometric to unlock individual keys then
maybe you can't unlock them, but that's a choice they make when setting them
up. You don't have to use biometrics if you don't want to, although some
workflows will try to corral you into doing so.
If you let iCloud/Google/MS store your passkeys then it's down to their own
access/recovery procedures - I'm not familiar with those.
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a >>>>>> passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints. >>>>> The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger. >>>>> Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither
could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Old John.
Because it’s not the camera that does the FaceID stuff, there’s a different
sensor for that. It actually scans your face profile using multiple points, >>> and is not based on a photo.
Are you sure about that? Yes, FaceID needs a second device, but it is an IR >> projector to project a special pattern on your face. The pattern is then
read by the usual camera for matching via the neural engine.
It’s all down to the use of a TrueDepth camera:system as explained in this article.
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102381>
On 11 May 2025 at 08:43:53 BST, John Hill wrote:
When I first had an iPhone 6S, I enabled the fingerprint stuff for unlocking,
but it was so unreliable that I scrapped that and went back to using a >>>> passcode. But perhaps it's bettter now.
First of all: The more senior people become the weaker the fingerprints. >>> The solution I used was to store two finger prints of the same finger.
Then it is foolproof.
Agree. I never could get TouchID to work satisfactorily on my iPhone. Neither
could Anne.
It seems to be better on the iMac as long as I hit the sweet spot.
FaceID OTOH works perfectly on my iPhone 11 and my iPad 11.
I wonder why FaceID isn't available on the iMac?
Face ID is suspiciously reliable for me - clean shaven or full beard, glasses or not, eyes open or closed. Just works, and I've never knowingly cailbrated it for some years.
Touch ID works until I do anything like gardening or DIY.
Face ID is suspiciously reliable for me - clean shaven or full beard, glasses or not, eyes open or closed. Just works, and I've never knowingly cailbrated it for some years.
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 May 2025 at 07:55:01 BST, "RJH" <[email protected]> wrote:
Face ID is suspiciously reliable for me - clean shaven or full beard, glasses
or not, eyes open or closed. Just works, and I've never knowingly cailbrated
it for some years.
I've discovered that I can reliably fail my FaceID if I'm wearing my
anti-snore teeth rubbery thing. It moves my jaw forward and makes me
look rather more cro-magnon.
If I have rain on my glasses that always scuppers it.
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