Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2 >week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely >straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into >submission yet.
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which >is probably what prompted this.)
On 16 Mar 2025 19:30:59 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:
Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2
week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely
straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into
submission yet.
I had a little lookie. Nope, not for me. Too expensive, the really
positive reviews don't seem real and the first review I could find
that looked like it might be interesting is jailed behind an
account-wall. If your opinion is so damned important that you have to
wrap a demand for me to make an account to read it then you are
obviously far too important to be read by a lower life-form like me.
Yerp, I realise that the reviewer isn't relevant to the quality or otherwise of MaiMate but it's still annoying.
But why was I bothering? No one ever emails me. :)
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which >> is probably what prompted this.)
Okay. Here, have a nice hug: {{{HUG}}}.
Slightly better, now? Fine, so what the fuck makes you think Apple
are enshitifying themselves any more today than at any other time in
the previous ten or more years? What *specifically* are they now doing
wrong or wrongly?
Or is it just one of those feelings of named dread (so much better
than nameless dread which can infect *anything*) that creeps up on
humans every so often like the smell of semolina in a school lunch
room or the endlessly repeated encounters with row after row of
ready-made sandwiches dripping with mayo?
I wonder, do cats suffer from dread, named or otherwise?
Off-topic, right?
J.
On 17/03/2025 10:44, John wrote:
On 16 Mar 2025 19:30:59 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:
Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2
week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely
straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into
submission yet.
I had a little lookie. Nope, not for me. Too expensive, the really
positive reviews don't seem real and the first review I could find
that looked like it might be interesting is jailed behind an
account-wall. If your opinion is so damned important that you have to
wrap a demand for me to make an account to read it then you are
obviously far too important to be read by a lower life-form like me.
Yerp, I realise that the reviewer isn't relevant to the quality or
otherwise of MaiMate but it's still annoying.
But why was I bothering? No one ever emails me. :)
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which
is probably what prompted this.)
Okay. Here, have a nice hug: {{{HUG}}}.
Slightly better, now? Fine, so what the fuck makes you think Apple
are enshitifying themselves any more today than at any other time in
the previous ten or more years? What *specifically* are they now doing
wrong or wrongly?
Or is it just one of those feelings of named dread (so much better
than nameless dread which can infect *anything*) that creeps up on
humans every so often like the smell of semolina in a school lunch
room or the endlessly repeated encounters with row after row of
ready-made sandwiches dripping with mayo?
I wonder, do cats suffer from dread, named or otherwise?
Off-topic, right?
J.
Is it possible for cats to be off-topic on the internet?
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:19:05 +0000, Graeme Wall
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 17/03/2025 10:44, John wrote:
On 16 Mar 2025 19:30:59 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:
Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2
week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely
straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into
submission yet.
I had a little lookie. Nope, not for me. Too expensive, the really
positive reviews don't seem real and the first review I could find
that looked like it might be interesting is jailed behind an
account-wall. If your opinion is so damned important that you have to
wrap a demand for me to make an account to read it then you are
obviously far too important to be read by a lower life-form like me.
Yerp, I realise that the reviewer isn't relevant to the quality or
otherwise of MaiMate but it's still annoying.
But why was I bothering? No one ever emails me. :)
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which
is probably what prompted this.)
Okay. Here, have a nice hug: {{{HUG}}}.
Slightly better, now? Fine, so what the fuck makes you think Apple
are enshitifying themselves any more today than at any other time in
the previous ten or more years? What *specifically* are they now doing
wrong or wrongly?
Or is it just one of those feelings of named dread (so much better
than nameless dread which can infect *anything*) that creeps up on
humans every so often like the smell of semolina in a school lunch
room or the endlessly repeated encounters with row after row of
ready-made sandwiches dripping with mayo?
I wonder, do cats suffer from dread, named or otherwise?
Off-topic, right?
J.
Is it possible for cats to be off-topic on the internet?
Ask a cat.
No, on second thoughts, perhaps that is not a wise suggestion. Cats
are well-known for being self-centred, egotistical, evil little demons
who remember being worshipped as gods.
They are also deliberately cute.
On 16 Mar 2025 at 19:30:59 GMT, "TimH" <[email protected]d> wrote:
Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2
week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely
straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into
submission yet.
I've recently moved back to MailMate after spending time with the latest Apple
Mail. Alas, now that Apple have removed the ability to use Mail plugins I was faced with either manually archiving emails into DEVONthink or finding another
email app that could do that for me automagically.
Pros of MailMate:
* Integration with lots of other apps.
* Write emails using Markdown.
* Smart mailboxes, but on steroids.
* Mail rules, but on steroids.
* Fonts and UI can be customised.
* Fast!
* Under active development.
Cons of MailMate:
* Not free, but reasonably priced.
* Possibly overkill if you don't have lots of email to process, or a need for the integration with other apps.
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which >> is probably what prompted this.)
I know the feeling.
Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2
week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into submission yet.
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which is probably what prompted this.)
On 16 Mar 2025 at 19:30:59 GMT, "TimH" <[email protected]d> wrote:
Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2
week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely
straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into
submission yet.
I've recently moved back to MailMate after spending time with the latest Apple
Mail. Alas, now that Apple have removed the ability to use Mail plugins I was faced with either manually archiving emails into DEVONthink or finding another
email app that could do that for me automagically.
Pros of MailMate:
* Integration with lots of other apps.
* Write emails using Markdown.
* Smart mailboxes, but on steroids.
* Mail rules, but on steroids.
* Fonts and UI can be customised.
* Fast!
* Under active development.
Cons of MailMate:
* Not free, but reasonably priced.
* Possibly overkill if you don't have lots of email to process, or a need for the integration with other apps.
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which >> is probably what prompted this.)
I know the feeling.
I've recently moved back to MailMate after spending time with the latest Apple
Mail. Alas, now that Apple have removed the ability to use Mail plugins I was faced with either manually archiving emails into DEVONthink or finding another
email app that could do that for me automagically.
Pros of MailMate:
* Integration with lots of other apps.
* Write emails using Markdown.
* Smart mailboxes, but on steroids.
* Mail rules, but on steroids.
* Fonts and UI can be customised.
* Fast!
* Under active development.
Cons of MailMate:
* Not free, but reasonably priced.
* Possibly overkill if you don't have lots of email to process, or a need for the integration with other apps.
On 18.03.25 16:28, Alan Ralph wrote:
On 16 Mar 2025 at 19:30:59 GMT, "TimH" <[email protected]d> wrote:
Just wondering if anyone is using/has used MailMate? I'm a few days into the 2
week trial, and rather liking it, though config isn't entirely
straightforward; e.g. I haven't managed to bludgeon key bindings into
submission yet.
I've recently moved back to MailMate after spending time with the latest Apple
Mail. Alas, now that Apple have removed the ability to use Mail plugins I was
faced with either manually archiving emails into DEVONthink or finding another
email app that could do that for me automagically.
Pros of MailMate:
* Integration with lots of other apps.
* Write emails using Markdown.
* Smart mailboxes, but on steroids.
* Mail rules, but on steroids.
* Fonts and UI can be customised.
* Fast!
* Under active development.
Cons of MailMate:
* Not free, but reasonably priced.
* Possibly overkill if you don't have lots of email to process, or a need for
the integration with other apps.
(I'm in one of my semi-regular 'omg Apple's going down the pan' moods, which
is probably what prompted this.)
I know the feeling.
Thunderbird does it all as FOSS and it does it on all desktop platforms
not only mac OS.
Cons of MailMate:
* Not free, but reasonably priced.
£40+ pa? I'd have to *really* not like Mail to pay that, year on year.
On 18 Mar 2025 at 3:52:49 pm GMT, "Jörg Lorenz" <[email protected]> wrote:
Thunderbird does it all as FOSS and it does it on all desktop platforms
not only mac OS.
It's <mumble> years since I last used Thunderbird. Worth a look I suppose, though Mozilla's recent behaviour isn't exactly reassuring. (Given that they're reliant on Google for 75% of their income, it's not exactly surprising, either.)
Thunderbird does it all as FOSS and it does it on all desktop platforms
not only mac OS.
£40+ pa? I'd have to *really* not like Mail to pay that, year on year.
On 18. Mar 2025 at 16:57:11 CET, "RJH" <[email protected]> wrote:
£40+ pa? I'd have to *really* not like Mail to pay that, year on year.
I really HATE subscription models, but I understand his reasons: <https://freron.com/motivation/>
If you are that short of cash you can even use it in free mode after paying ONCE:
<https://freron.com/pricing/>
I´m currently using Thunderbird, but if I ever want to switch to another MailApp it will probably be MailMate.
(Just my 2 Cent)
On 19 Mar 2025 at 07:16:32 GMT, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
On 18. Mar 2025 at 16:57:11 CET, "RJH" <[email protected]> wrote:
£40+ pa? I'd have to *really* not like Mail to pay that, year on year.
I really HATE subscription models, but I understand his reasons:
<https://freron.com/motivation/>
If you are that short of cash you can even use it in free mode after paying >> ONCE:
<https://freron.com/pricing/>
Yes, thanks, noticed that. £10 is fine - I read it first time round as a rolling sub, but I see it's an apparently non-visible header and a subtle nag screen. Not ideal but I could live with it.
I´m currently using Thunderbird, but if I ever want to switch to another
MailApp it will probably be MailMate.
(Just my 2 Cent)
I'm managing with Mail, but it's not without quirks.
I'll add another voice in favour of MailMate too. I agree it's expensive but I
value having a good mail client and even contribute to Benny's ongoing development through a subscription.
My reason for liking it so much was when I first had a Mac in 2003 I used a application from Barebones that was called MailSmith. I liked it for its very simple GUI and powerful rules. When I was looking for an IMAP equivalent MailMate was the closest I could get.
I particularly value that it's a plain text client until one starts typing in markdown and then it switches over to formatted text.
The plugins in the Commands menu are also pretty powerful to turn emails into actionable items or even just for a bit of fun to visualise varying aspects of
email history.
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