• NewsGrouper - the end is nigh

    From Alan B@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 17 19:34:14 2025
    Colin Macleod has recently put out this message to all registered users of NewsGrouper:

    [quote]
    UK Access will be blocked from 16th March

    You are seeing this page because you appear to be connecting from an IP address in the UK.

    On the 17th of March the UK's new Online Safety Act will start to be enforced. I thank all those who answered my survey on this. However I regret that I have \concluded that it is not practical for this site to comply with the OSA. So from 16th March I will block access from UK IP addresses, which puts it outside the scope of the act.

    Other web interfaces to Usenet are available, and may continue to allow UK users,
    see Wikipedia. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popularity> [end of quote]

    I guess one could use a VPN but I didn't say that!

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Feb 17 21:30:33 2025
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Colin Macleod has recently put out this message to all registered users of NewsGrouper:

    [quote]
    UK Access will be blocked from 16th March

    You are seeing this page because you appear to be connecting from an IP address in the UK.

    On the 17th of March the UK's new Online Safety Act will start to be enforced. I thank all those who answered my survey on this. However I
    regret that I have \concluded that it is not practical for this site to comply with the OSA. So from 16th March I will block access from UK IP addresses, which puts it outside the scope of the act.

    Other web interfaces to Usenet are available, and may continue to allow UK users, see Wikipedia. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popula rity> [end of quote]

    I guess one could use a VPN but I didn't say that!

    I know of a long-standing specialist PHP Bulletin Board that is being
    shut down because of fear that the OSA will make the owner liable. This
    is a dreadful blow to an already beleagured minority group for whom this
    board has been a lifeline and a source of valuable information over many
    years.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Tue Feb 18 00:15:20 2025
    On 17/02/2025 21:30, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    I know of a long-standing specialist PHP Bulletin Board that is being
    shut down because of fear that the OSA will make the owner liable. This
    is a dreadful blow to an already beleagured minority group for whom this board has been a lifeline and a source of valuable information over many years.

    Please ask them to add themselves here:

    <https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/in_memoriam/>

    and also make sure they are archived at least once by

    <https://archive.org>

    for posterity.

    For small "owner operator" sites the whole OSA thing is a nightmare. The consultation process focused on "harms" and no one from the Government
    warned that regular sites might be caught-up - so an entire demographic,
    so to speak, was never consulted.

    The irony is that smaller sites can't afford to play, so small
    self-hosted sites either close or move to Facebook et al and their child
    users get their privacy screwed (even more) by FB.

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Hampshire, England

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Feb 18 08:47:53 2025
    Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 17/02/2025 21:30, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    I know of a long-standing specialist PHP Bulletin Board that is being
    shut down because of fear that the OSA will make the owner liable. This
    is a dreadful blow to an already beleagured minority group for whom this board has been a lifeline and a source of valuable information over many years.

    Please ask them to add themselves here:

    <https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/in_memoriam/>

    and also make sure they are archived at least once by

    <https://archive.org>

    for posterity.

    There is a lot of personal information in the 'private' section of that
    board, so they may not want to archive it in a public place.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Tue Feb 18 09:15:58 2025
    On 18/02/2025 08:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 17/02/2025 21:30, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    I know of a long-standing specialist PHP Bulletin Board that is being
    shut down because of fear that the OSA will make the owner liable. This >>> is a dreadful blow to an already beleagured minority group for whom this >>> board has been a lifeline and a source of valuable information over many >>> years.

    Please ask them to add themselves here:

    <https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/in_memoriam/>

    and also make sure they are archived at least once by

    <https://archive.org>

    for posterity.

    There is a lot of personal information in the 'private' section of that board, so they may not want to archive it in a public place.


    *NOTHING* is "private" on the Internet! ;-)

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Feb 18 09:24:11 2025
    On 2025-02-18, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 17/02/2025 21:30, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    I know of a long-standing specialist PHP Bulletin Board that is being
    shut down because of fear that the OSA will make the owner liable. This
    is a dreadful blow to an already beleagured minority group for whom this
    board has been a lifeline and a source of valuable information over many
    years.

    Please ask them to add themselves here:

    <https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/in_memoriam/>

    and also make sure they are archived at least once by

    <https://archive.org>

    for posterity.

    For small "owner operator" sites the whole OSA thing is a nightmare. The consultation process focused on "harms" and no one from the Government
    warned that regular sites might be caught-up - so an entire demographic,
    so to speak, was never consulted.

    So there should be no impact on Usenet groups then?

    The irony is that smaller sites can't afford to play, so small
    self-hosted sites either close or move to Facebook et al and their child users get their privacy screwed (even more) by FB.

    No thank you!

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Ian McCall@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Feb 28 21:35:43 2025
    On 18 Feb 2025, Bruce wrote
    (in article<[email protected]>):

    The irony is that smaller sites can't afford to play, so small
    self-hosted sites either close or move to Facebook et al and their child users get their privacy screwed (even more) by FB.

    Years back I ran a very small scale web hosting operation. We’re talking
    less than ten people, by design.

    Rules started coming in about making the operator liable for content etc.,
    and I just thought - nope, not doing this one. Exited the business due to the legal uncertainly. That’s around 15 years or more ago now. The latest cut
    is just more “think of the children” misplaced nonsense, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Most of those who weren’t technical, and let’s face it that’s 98% of politicians if I’m being generous, have no clue other stuff really exists other than the mainstream Facebook et al.. I’m also always amused whenever they demand censorship applied to every upload - they simply have no
    conception of how many posts of and how much video is uploaded to a site per day. Most of them could do with getting hold of a copy of The Restaurant At
    The End Of The Universe and reading the bit about the Total Perspective
    Vortex again and again, until it finally starts to sink in.

    Cheers,
    Ian

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Mar 16 17:25:18 2025
    On 2025-02-17, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Colin Macleod has recently put out this message to all registered users of NewsGrouper:

    [quote]
    UK Access will be blocked from 16th March

    You are seeing this page because you appear to be connecting from an IP address
    in the UK.

    On the 17th of March the UK's new Online Safety Act will start to be enforced.
    I thank all those who answered my survey on this. However I regret that I have
    \concluded that it is not practical for this site to comply with the OSA. So from 16th March I will block access from UK IP addresses, which puts it outside
    the scope of the act.

    Other web interfaces to Usenet are available, and may continue to allow UK users,
    see Wikipedia.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popularity>
    [end of quote]

    I guess one could use a VPN but I didn't say that!

    UK access now blocked as from this afternoon (16/3/25). Shame :(

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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