Every time I've left my computer it has needed rebooting from scratch. This has only started today.
I get the report:
Your computer was restarted because of a problem
Problem details and System Configuration
*** MCA Error Report ***
It is followed by a whole lot of data which I have copied and can provide on request.
It does not actually restart, I have to start from totally shut down.
Short of reinstalling the OS (Ventura 13.7.1 22H221, my iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017) is incompatible with anything later) and restoring from backup, any suggestions as to why this might be and what I can do to fix it?
The sig is particularly appropriate!
Every time I've left my computer it has needed rebooting from scratch. This has only started today.
I get the report:
Your computer was restarted because of a problem
Problem details and System Configuration
*** MCA Error Report ***
It is followed by a whole lot of data which I have copied and can provide on request.
It does not actually restart, I have to start from totally shut down.
Short of reinstalling the OS (Ventura 13.7.1 22H221, my iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017) is incompatible with anything later) and restoring from backup, any suggestions as to why this might be and what I can do to fix it?
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that
install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6 installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more recent macOS (AIUI).
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:18:01 GMT, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that
install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6
installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more
recent macOS (AIUI).
The situation has developed a bit since my original posting.
I've looked at the error report and it's unhelpful. It's to do with pci devices but the only thing that intelligible to me is AppleACPIPCI. It contains far less useful information than the example, and "panic" does not appear.
At the moment it is working normally, first with all applications shut down and then with Messenger left open. I therefore suspect that it's a specific application that's causing a problem.
I usually leave a number running- Messenger, Mail, Arc and Fing. Recently it's
been also GrapicConverter and Numbers.
Of these, I strongly suspect Fing,which was recently updated. If it does turn out to be the culprit, out it goes! It's not a very useful Fing anyway😁. And
I suspect it of being rather intrusive.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey! I'm prepared to take my time over this.
Old John.
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:18:01 GMT, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that
install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6
installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more
recent macOS (AIUI).
The situation has developed a bit since my original posting.
I've looked at the error report and it's unhelpful. It's to do with pci devices but the only thing that intelligible to me is AppleACPIPCI. It contains far less useful information than the example, and "panic" does not appear.
At the moment it is working normally, first with all applications shut down and then with Messenger left open. I therefore suspect that it's a specific application that's causing a problem.
I usually leave a number running- Messenger, Mail, Arc and Fing. Recently it's
been also GrapicConverter and Numbers.
Of these, I strongly suspect Fing,which was recently updated. If it does turn out to be the culprit, out it goes! It's not a very useful Fing anyway😁. And
I suspect it of being rather intrusive.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey! I'm prepared to take my time over this.
Old John.
On 22/11/2024 16:18, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:18:01 GMT, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that >>>> install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6
installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more >>> recent macOS (AIUI).
The situation has developed a bit since my original posting.
I've looked at the error report and it's unhelpful. It's to do with pci
devices but the only thing that intelligible to me is AppleACPIPCI. It
contains far less useful information than the example, and "panic" does not >> appear.
At the moment it is working normally, first with all applications shut down >> and then with Messenger left open. I therefore suspect that it's a specific >> application that's causing a problem.
I usually leave a number running- Messenger, Mail, Arc and Fing. Recently it's
been also GrapicConverter and Numbers.
Of these, I strongly suspect Fing,which was recently updated. If it does turn
out to be the culprit, out it goes! It's not a very useful Fing anyway😁. And
I suspect it of being rather intrusive.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey! I'm prepared to take my time over this.
Old John.
Did you do what I suggested Old John?
If not, please advise WHY not.
Thank you.
It only takes five minutes, so not too much time to lose!
On 22 Nov 2024 at 18:45:26 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 22/11/2024 16:18, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:18:01 GMT, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that >>>>> install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6 >>>> installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more >>>> recent macOS (AIUI).
The situation has developed a bit since my original posting.
I've looked at the error report and it's unhelpful. It's to do with pci
devices but the only thing that intelligible to me is AppleACPIPCI. It
contains far less useful information than the example, and "panic" does not >>> appear.
At the moment it is working normally, first with all applications shut down >>> and then with Messenger left open. I therefore suspect that it's a specific >>> application that's causing a problem.
I usually leave a number running- Messenger, Mail, Arc and Fing. Recently it's
been also GrapicConverter and Numbers.
Of these, I strongly suspect Fing,which was recently updated. If it does turn
out to be the culprit, out it goes! It's not a very useful Fing anyway😁. And
I suspect it of being rather intrusive.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey! I'm prepared to take my time over this.
Old John.
Did you do what I suggested Old John?
If not, please advise WHY not.
Thank you.
It only takes five minutes, so not too much time to lose!
What purpose would it serve?
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a good night's sleep.
On 23/11/2024 13:53, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 18:45:26 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 22/11/2024 16:18, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:18:01 GMT, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that >>>>>> install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6 >>>>> installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more >>>>> recent macOS (AIUI).
The situation has developed a bit since my original posting.
I've looked at the error report and it's unhelpful. It's to do with pci >>>> devices but the only thing that intelligible to me is AppleACPIPCI. It >>>> contains far less useful information than the example, and "panic" does not
appear.
At the moment it is working normally, first with all applications shut down
and then with Messenger left open. I therefore suspect that it's a specific
application that's causing a problem.
I usually leave a number running- Messenger, Mail, Arc and Fing. Recently it's
been also GrapicConverter and Numbers.
Of these, I strongly suspect Fing,which was recently updated. If it does turn
out to be the culprit, out it goes! It's not a very useful Fing anyway😁. And
I suspect it of being rather intrusive.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey! I'm prepared to take my time over this. >>>>
Old John.
Did you do what I suggested Old John?
If not, please advise WHY not.
Thank you.
It only takes five minutes, so not too much time to lose!
What purpose would it serve?
*What does safe mode do*?
Prevents certain software from loading as your Mac starts up. This
includes login items and extensions that aren’t required by macOS, and fonts that weren’t installed by macOS.
Performs a basic check of your startup disk, similar to the more comprehensive check performed by the First Aid feature of Disk Utility. Clears some system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache.
These are automatically created again as needed.
Ref:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/116946
HTH
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to
reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been >> corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at straws really...
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
On 23 Nov 2024 at 17:10:55 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 23/11/2024 13:53, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 18:45:26 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>> wrote:
On 22/11/2024 16:18, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:18:01 GMT, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that >>>>>>> install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6 >>>>>> installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more >>>>>> recent macOS (AIUI).
The situation has developed a bit since my original posting.
I've looked at the error report and it's unhelpful. It's to do with pci >>>>> devices but the only thing that intelligible to me is AppleACPIPCI. It >>>>> contains far less useful information than the example, and "panic" does not
appear.
At the moment it is working normally, first with all applications shut down
and then with Messenger left open. I therefore suspect that it's a specific
application that's causing a problem.
I usually leave a number running- Messenger, Mail, Arc and Fing. Recently it's
been also GrapicConverter and Numbers.
Of these, I strongly suspect Fing,which was recently updated. If it does turn
out to be the culprit, out it goes! It's not a very useful Fing anyway😁. And
I suspect it of being rather intrusive.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey! I'm prepared to take my time over this. >>>>>
Old John.
Did you do what I suggested Old John?
If not, please advise WHY not.
Thank you.
It only takes five minutes, so not too much time to lose!
What purpose would it serve?
*What does safe mode do*?
Prevents certain software from loading as your Mac starts up. This
includes login items and extensions that aren’t required by macOS, and
fonts that weren’t installed by macOS.
Performs a basic check of your startup disk, similar to the more
comprehensive check performed by the First Aid feature of Disk Utility.
Clears some system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache.
These are automatically created again as needed.
Ref:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/116946
HTH
I tried it and it made no difference whatsoever.
But thank you for the thought.
I think that something (probably this latest FING) has damaged something deep down and the only remedy will be to do a Recovery - possibly even involving erasure of the hard drive and restoration of a backup.
I suppose, just possibly, that it's a coincidental hardware fault, in which case it's New Shiny time.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to
reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been >> corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at straws really...
Theo
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been >> corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been >>>> corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at >>> straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
On 24/11/2024 11:44, John Hill wrote:
On 23 Nov 2024 at 17:10:55 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 23/11/2024 13:53, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 18:45:26 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>>> wrote:
On 22/11/2024 16:18, John Hill wrote:
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:18:01 GMT, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 22 Nov 2024 at 12:12:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Do you have any extra hardware aside from the base Mac? Any apps that >>>>>>>> install kernel extensions (eg Little Snitch)?
Is this even still possible? I had to move to VirtualBox 7 because VB6 >>>>>>> installed a kernel extension and this was no longer permitted under more
recent macOS (AIUI).
The situation has developed a bit since my original posting.
I've looked at the error report and it's unhelpful. It's to do with pci >>>>>> devices but the only thing that intelligible to me is AppleACPIPCI. It >>>>>> contains far less useful information than the example, and "panic" does not
appear.
At the moment it is working normally, first with all applications shut down
and then with Messenger left open. I therefore suspect that it's a specific
application that's causing a problem.
I usually leave a number running- Messenger, Mail, Arc and Fing. Recently it's
been also GrapicConverter and Numbers.
Of these, I strongly suspect Fing,which was recently updated. If it does turn
out to be the culprit, out it goes! It's not a very useful Fing anyway😁. And
I suspect it of being rather intrusive.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey! I'm prepared to take my time over this. >>>>>>
Old John.
Did you do what I suggested Old John?
If not, please advise WHY not.
Thank you.
It only takes five minutes, so not too much time to lose!
What purpose would it serve?
*What does safe mode do*?
Prevents certain software from loading as your Mac starts up. This
includes login items and extensions that aren’t required by macOS, and >>> fonts that weren’t installed by macOS.
Performs a basic check of your startup disk, similar to the more
comprehensive check performed by the First Aid feature of Disk Utility.
Clears some system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache.
These are automatically created again as needed.
Ref:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/116946
HTH
I tried it and it made no difference whatsoever.
But thank you for the thought.
You are welcome. I'm sorry it didn't help.
I think that something (probably this latest FING) has damaged something deep
down and the only remedy will be to do a Recovery - possibly even involving >> erasure of the hard drive and restoration of a backup.
I have carried out this exercise many times and it works flawlessly!
(I experiment a lot!)
If you need any tips, please ask!
I suppose, just possibly, that it's a coincidental hardware fault, in which >> case it's New Shiny time.
That would, of course, enable you to update to the latest macOS!
You could then, maybe, run Linux Mint 22 on your old iMac alongside your
new one! ;-)
I too have done an erase, restore and backup many times. Tedious but sometimes
necessary. Curiously, printer drivers were of the nthe problem, but I think things have improved since then.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been >>>> corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at >>> straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in your machine. There should be much more.
On 24/11/2024 16:39, Theo wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at >>>> straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in >> your machine. There should be much more.
Indeed. I'm amazed that David's use of "AI" didn't immediately pick this
up. /s
On 24/11/2024 20:47, John Hill wrote:
[....]
I too have done an erase, restore and backup many times. Tedious but sometimes
necessary. Curiously, printer drivers were of the nthe problem, but I think >> things have improved since then.
Thank you for replying, Old John.
It's good to know that you are experienced with this procedure.
Might I suggest that you simply do an Internet Recovery by following the procedure here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102655
Just Erase your hard drive first.
Then Reinstall Ventura. (Do NOT restore at this stage.)
Then restart and see how things are for an hour or two.
It takes a lot less time that you might think/expect!
I look forward to learning of your result.
On 24/11/2024 16:39, Theo wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I
have to
reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something
has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a
wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is
grasp at
straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the
hardware in
your machine. There should be much more.
Indeed. I'm amazed that David's use of "AI" didn't immediately pick this
up. /s
On 24 Nov 2024 at 22:56:54 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 24/11/2024 20:47, John Hill wrote:
[....]
I too have done an erase, restore and backup many times. Tedious but sometimes
necessary. Curiously, printer drivers were of the nthe problem, but I think >>> things have improved since then.
Thank you for replying, Old John.
It's good to know that you are experienced with this procedure.
Might I suggest that you simply do an Internet Recovery by following the
procedure here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102655
Just Erase your hard drive first.
Then Reinstall Ventura. (Do NOT restore at this stage.)
Then restart and see how things are for an hour or two.
It takes a lot less time that you might think/expect!
I look forward to learning of your result.
But that is just a bog-standard recovery! Nothing new there at all.
An hour or so will not be sufficient. At least overnight will be needed.
So I shall make sure that the data for the job currently in hand is in iCloud,
install Usenapp, Messenger and the only non-inbuilt application I need and carry on for some days before I attempt a full restore from backup.
Everything else can be handled on my iPad.
Old John.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been >>>> corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at >>> straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
On 24 Nov 2024 at 16:39:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at >>>> straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in >> your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
Another glitch, and as far as I can see the report is exactly the same as before. Certainly there is no more detail hiding anywhere.
I shall now erase and restore, but not reinstall from backup until it has run some time without glitching. If it does, then it's a hardware problem and I shall act accordingly.
If it does not, then restore from backup and see what happens...
Until I am fully restored, one way or another, I will be using Newstap to keep
in touch.
On 24 Nov 2024 at 16:39:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at >>>> straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in >> your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
Another glitch, and as far as I can see the report is exactly the same as before. Certainly there is no more detail hiding anywhere.
I shall now erase and restore, but not reinstall from backup until it has run some time without glitching. If it does, then it's a hardware problem and I shall act accordingly.
If it does not, then restore from backup and see what happens...
Until I am fully restored, one way or another, I will be using Newstap to keep
in touch.
Old John.
It glitched on the clean restore. I deduce that I have an intermittent hardware fault. The only thing that I had added was Numbers from the AppStore.
It doesn’t stop me using the iMac, but a fault is a fault. Time to mend it with a new one.
On 25/11/2024 11:39, John Hill wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 16:39:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at
straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in >>> your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
Another glitch, and as far as I can see the report is exactly the same as
before. Certainly there is no more detail hiding anywhere.
I shall now erase and restore, but not reinstall from backup until it has run
some time without glitching. If it does, then it's a hardware problem and I >> shall act accordingly.
If it does not, then restore from backup and see what happens...
Until I am fully restored, one way or another, I will be using Newstap to keep
in touch.
How long did it take to erase your hard drive, Old John? (Just a rough
idea!)
David (Devon) <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 25/11/2024 11:39, John Hill wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 16:39:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to
reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at
straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in
your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
Another glitch, and as far as I can see the report is exactly the same as >>> before. Certainly there is no more detail hiding anywhere.
I shall now erase and restore, but not reinstall from backup until it has run
some time without glitching. If it does, then it's a hardware problem and I >>> shall act accordingly.
If it does not, then restore from backup and see what happens...
Until I am fully restored, one way or another, I will be using Newstap to keep
in touch.
How long did it take to erase your hard drive, Old John? (Just a rough
idea!)
Not long - no more than five minutes. Probably only two or three.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 16:39:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to >>>>>> reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at
straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in >>> your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
Another glitch, and as far as I can see the report is exactly the same as
before. Certainly there is no more detail hiding anywhere.
I shall now erase and restore, but not reinstall from backup until it has run
some time without glitching. If it does, then it's a hardware problem and I >> shall act accordingly.
If it does not, then restore from backup and see what happens...
Until I am fully restored, one way or another, I will be using Newstap to keep
in touch.
Old John.
It glitched on the clean restore. I deduce that I have an intermittent hardware fault. The only thing that I had added was Numbers from the AppStore.
It doesn’t stop me using the iMac, but a fault is a fault. Time to mend it with a new one.
Meanwhile I am using Migration Assistant to reinstall my data and applications.
Old John.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
It glitched on the clean restore. I deduce that I have an intermittent
hardware fault. The only thing that I had added was Numbers from the
AppStore.
It doesn’t stop me using the iMac, but a fault is a fault. Time to mend it >> with a new one.
It does seem that way. Particularly if it keeps doing that with only the base software. Do you have anything plugged into USB or Thunderbolt (besides mouse and keyboard)? If so, remove them and see if it does it again.
Grasping at straws I could take a guess it's a memory fault but that's speculation based on very limited evidence. It could be some other piece of hardware, but unfortunately almost everything is soldered down so unswappable. Only really the SSD (if any) would be a plausible cause and also changeable.
A logic board swap might help, but if you're going to pay somebody to do
that it would be better to buy another working one (used or new). Checking ebay a used one of the same vintage is about £150-200.
But for a little more money you could get a new base M4 Mini (£599, or £499 if you know anyone in education to get the educational discount) plus a monitor. Or about £300 for a used M1 Mini.
Theo
On 26/11/2024 12:45, John Hill wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 16:39:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to
reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at
straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in
your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
Another glitch, and as far as I can see the report is exactly the same as >>> before. Certainly there is no more detail hiding anywhere.
I shall now erase and restore, but not reinstall from backup until it has run
some time without glitching. If it does, then it's a hardware problem and I >>> shall act accordingly.
If it does not, then restore from backup and see what happens...
Until I am fully restored, one way or another, I will be using Newstap to keep
in touch.
Old John.
It glitched on the clean restore. I deduce that I have an intermittent
hardware fault. The only thing that I had added was Numbers from the
AppStore.
It doesn’t stop me using the iMac, but a fault is a fault. Time to mend it >> with a new one.
Meanwhile I am using Migration Assistant to reinstall my data and
applications.
Old John.
You have me confused, John!
How did your iMac perform after the Clean Installation of the MacOS Ventura?
Before you did installed anything at all?
Could you use Safari to surf the 'net?
On 26 Nov 2024 at 13:03:00 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
It glitched on the clean restore. I deduce that I have an intermittent
hardware fault. The only thing that I had added was Numbers from the
AppStore.
It doesn’t stop me using the iMac, but a fault is a fault. Time to mend it
with a new one.
It does seem that way. Particularly if it keeps doing that with only the
base software. Do you have anything plugged into USB or Thunderbolt (besides
mouse and keyboard)? If so, remove them and see if it does it again.
Grasping at straws I could take a guess it's a memory fault but that's
speculation based on very limited evidence. It could be some other piece of >> hardware, but unfortunately almost everything is soldered down so
unswappable. Only really the SSD (if any) would be a plausible cause and
also changeable.
A logic board swap might help, but if you're going to pay somebody to do
that it would be better to buy another working one (used or new). Checking >> ebay a used one of the same vintage is about £150-200.
But for a little more money you could get a new base M4 Mini (£599, or £499
if you know anyone in education to get the educational discount) plus a
monitor. Or about £300 for a used M1 Mini.
Theo
At that time nothing whatsoever was connected - the mouse and keyboard are on Bluetooth. The Time Machine external drive was not connected, and that was the
only thing that might have been - oh, except Ethernet.
But there's a thing - the actual Ethernet connection failed some six months ago, and I'm using anEthenet to USB dongle - which has behaved faultlessly.
I'm disinclined to mess about trying to repair anything. it's a 2017 iMac (though bought in 2019). It cannot be upgraded beyond Ventura, and while going
to a later model might wreck some applications it would also enable later versions of others - like Numbers, for example.
I think it's time to venture into the realm of silicon. My children are encouraging me to do so - strongly - and in a few years one of them will inherit it anyway.
On 26 Nov 2024 at 14:04:20 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 26/11/2024 12:45, John Hill wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 16:39:59 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2024 at 11:09:49 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Tonight I'll try it with all applications shut down and see if I have to
reboot in the morning. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe something has been
corrupted? It seems strange that it works all day and throws a wobbly after a
good night's sleep.
Unless you give us more details from the report, all we can do is grasp at
straws really...
Theo
Here is the report:
*** MCA Error Report ***
*** Device Tree ***
I think there's something missing, as that's just a list of the hardware in
your machine. There should be much more.
Theo
Another glitch, and as far as I can see the report is exactly the same as >>>> before. Certainly there is no more detail hiding anywhere.
I shall now erase and restore, but not reinstall from backup until it has run
some time without glitching. If it does, then it's a hardware problem and I
shall act accordingly.
If it does not, then restore from backup and see what happens...
Until I am fully restored, one way or another, I will be using Newstap to keep
in touch.
Old John.
It glitched on the clean restore. I deduce that I have an intermittent
hardware fault. The only thing that I had added was Numbers from the
AppStore.
It doesn’t stop me using the iMac, but a fault is a fault. Time to mend it
with a new one.
Meanwhile I am using Migration Assistant to reinstall my data and
applications.
Old John.
You have me confused, John!
How did your iMac perform after the Clean Installation of the MacOS Ventura? >>
Before you did installed anything at all?
Could you use Safari to surf the 'net?
It behaved perfectly normally. As it has done throughout. It's only on wake from sleep that I see anything.
I may run some test or other - like Disk Utility/First Aid - but strictly for interest.
I can afford to move forward, so why not?
See the sig!
Old John.
it's a 2017 iMac
(though bought in 2019). It cannot be upgraded beyond Ventura, and while going
to a later model might wreck some applications
On 26 Nov 2024 at 14:58:26 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
it's a 2017 iMac
(though bought in 2019). It cannot be upgraded beyond Ventura, and while going
to a later model might wreck some applications
It won't. They'll all work despite moving up to Apple Silicon.
Possibly excepting ones that won't work because Sequioa, but I'm not
sure if there are any.
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I very much doubt it.
On 26/11/2024 14:58, John Hill wrote:
On 26 Nov 2024 at 13:03:00 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> >> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
It glitched on the clean restore. I deduce that I have an intermittent >>>> hardware fault. The only thing that I had added was Numbers from the
AppStore.
It doesn’t stop me using the iMac, but a fault is a fault. Time to mend it
with a new one.
It does seem that way. Particularly if it keeps doing that with only the >>> base software. Do you have anything plugged into USB or Thunderbolt (besides
mouse and keyboard)? If so, remove them and see if it does it again.
Grasping at straws I could take a guess it's a memory fault but that's
speculation based on very limited evidence. It could be some other piece of
hardware, but unfortunately almost everything is soldered down so
unswappable. Only really the SSD (if any) would be a plausible cause and >>> also changeable.
A logic board swap might help, but if you're going to pay somebody to do >>> that it would be better to buy another working one (used or new). Checking >>> ebay a used one of the same vintage is about £150-200.
But for a little more money you could get a new base M4 Mini (£599, or £499
if you know anyone in education to get the educational discount) plus a
monitor. Or about £300 for a used M1 Mini.
Theo
At that time nothing whatsoever was connected - the mouse and keyboard are on
Bluetooth. The Time Machine external drive was not connected, and that was the
only thing that might have been - oh, except Ethernet.
But there's a thing - the actual Ethernet connection failed some six months >> ago, and I'm using anEthenet to USB dongle - which has behaved faultlessly.
I particularly interested in your situation, John, because your 2017 27
inch iMac is identical to my own. I picked up on that fact many moons ago!
I use an Ethernet cable from by BT Home Hub and plugged directly in to
the socket on the back of my iMac.
See:- https://uk.pcmag.com/desktops/89990/apple-imac-27-inch-with-5k-retina-display-2017
When you had your "failure", did you try a new/different Ethernet cable?
What was it which you think failed?
Can you connect your router to your iMac wirelessly? If not, WHY not?!!
If you CAN connect wirelessly , does your "wake from sleep" fault still occur?
I'm disinclined to mess about trying to repair anything. it's a 2017 iMac
(though bought in 2019). It cannot be upgraded beyond Ventura, and while going
to a later model might wreck some applications it would also enable later
versions of others - like Numbers, for example.
I think it's time to venture into the realm of silicon. My children are
encouraging me to do so - strongly - and in a few years one of them will
inherit it anyway.
I do recognise that it's nice to have an excuse to buy a new computer! ;-)
When I was an IFA, I used to explain to clients that they get a 40%
discount on anything they buy. If you don't spend that 'rainy day'
capital, the Chancellor of the Exchequer will take 40% of it in
Inheritance tax!
So don't delay, do it today! ;-)
FWIW, John Lewis will give you a two year guarantee instead of Apple's
12 months.
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband >> connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure
isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I >> very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband >>> connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure >>> isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I >>> very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this
is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap
it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done about it either way)
On 28 Nov 2024 at 19:54:02 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure >>>>> isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I
very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this >>> is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the
ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap >>> it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done
about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus
standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router!
Yes. There never has been a problem.
Strangely, the glitch has stopped as suddenly as it started, not long after the system was rebuilt.
But the new shiny has arrived. Still in its box, hopefully it will have taken over by lunchtime. I can then decide at leisure what to do with the old one.
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure >>>> isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I >>>> very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this >> is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the >> ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap >> it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done >> about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus
standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router!
On 29/11/2024 08:00, John Hill wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 19:54:02 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure
isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I
very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this >>>> is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the
ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap >>>> it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done
about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus
standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router!
Yes. There never has been a problem.
Thank you for confirming.
Strangely, the glitch has stopped as suddenly as it started, not long after >> the system was rebuilt.
It may have been something which Apple did at their end!!! We, the
users, are not in complete control of our computers nowadays.
But the new shiny has arrived. Still in its box, hopefully it will have taken
over by lunchtime. I can then decide at leisure what to do with the old one.
Oh! How exciting! 🙂 May I ask which new computer you have chosen?
On 29 Nov 2024 at 08:10:20 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:00, John Hill wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 19:54:02 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>> wrote:
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:Yes. There never has been a problem.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure
isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I
very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this
is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the
ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap
it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done
about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus
standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router! >>>
Thank you for confirming.
Strangely, the glitch has stopped as suddenly as it started, not long after >>> the system was rebuilt.
It may have been something which Apple did at their end!!! We, the
users, are not in complete control of our computers nowadays.
But the new shiny has arrived. Still in its box, hopefully it will have taken
over by lunchtime. I can then decide at leisure what to do with the old one.
Oh! How exciting! 🙂 May I ask which new computer you have chosen?
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/imac/silver-24-inch-standard-glass-apple-m4-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb-memory-512gb
Eat your heart out!
On 29 Nov 2024 at 09:19:06 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:49, John Hill wrote:
On 29 Nov 2024 at 08:10:20 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>> wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:00, John Hill wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 19:54:02 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>>>> wrote:
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:Yes. There never has been a problem.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure
isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I
very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this
is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the
ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap
it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done
about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus >>>>>> standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router! >>>>>
Thank you for confirming.
Strangely, the glitch has stopped as suddenly as it started, not long after
the system was rebuilt.
It may have been something which Apple did at their end!!! We, the
users, are not in complete control of our computers nowadays.
But the new shiny has arrived. Still in its box, hopefully it will have taken
over by lunchtime. I can then decide at leisure what to do with the old one.
Oh! How exciting! 🙂 May I ask which new computer you have chosen?
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/imac/silver-24-inch-standard-glass-apple-m4-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb-memory-512gb
Eat your heart out!
Wow! 🙂 That's 'just the ticket'!
Do, please, write and tell how amazed you are by the speed at which
things happen!
Have a great day, John.
Pretty prompt so far. I shall now clear out the old one. Incidentally the glitch is back - twice this morning, after I had moved it. I wonder if it is vibration sensitive?
Now to learn some new tricks!
On 29/11/2024 08:49, John Hill wrote:
On 29 Nov 2024 at 08:10:20 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:00, John Hill wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 19:54:02 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>>> wrote:
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:Yes. There never has been a problem.
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure
isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I
very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this
is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the
ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap
it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done
about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus >>>>> standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router! >>>>
Thank you for confirming.
Strangely, the glitch has stopped as suddenly as it started, not long after
the system was rebuilt.
It may have been something which Apple did at their end!!! We, the
users, are not in complete control of our computers nowadays.
But the new shiny has arrived. Still in its box, hopefully it will have taken
over by lunchtime. I can then decide at leisure what to do with the old one.
Oh! How exciting! 🙂 May I ask which new computer you have chosen?
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/imac/silver-24-inch-standard-glass-apple-m4-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb-memory-512gb
Eat your heart out!
Wow! 🙂 That's 'just the ticket'!
Do, please, write and tell how amazed you are by the speed at which
things happen!
Have a great day, John.
Every time I've left my computer it has needed rebooting from scratch. This has only started today.
I get the report:
Your computer was restarted because of a problem
Problem details and System Configuration
*** MCA Error Report ***
It is followed by a whole lot of data which I have copied and can provide on request.
It does not actually restart, I have to start from totally shut down.
Short of reinstalling the OS (Ventura 13.7.1 22H221, my iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017) is incompatible with anything later) and restoring from backup, any suggestions as to why this might be and what I can do to fix it?
Old John.
The sig is particularly appropriate!
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
The new iMac is up and running. Yay!
The old one glitched twice again this morning after I had moved it. I wonder >> if it is vibration sensitive? But I was still able to migrate from it.
Lots pf passwords to reinsert…
Would certainly recommend a password manager. Makes life a lot easier.
macOS has a new Passwords app which I haven't used. Am a long time user of Enpass.
On 29/11/2024 15:20, John Hill wrote:
On 29 Nov 2024 at 09:19:06 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:49, John Hill wrote:
On 29 Nov 2024 at 08:10:20 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>>> wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:00, John Hill wrote:https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/imac/silver-24-inch-standard-glass-apple-m4-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb-memory-512gb
On 28 Nov 2024 at 19:54:02 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure
isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I
very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this
is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the
ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap
it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done
about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus >>>>>>> standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router!
Yes. There never has been a problem.
Thank you for confirming.
Strangely, the glitch has stopped as suddenly as it started, not long after
the system was rebuilt.
It may have been something which Apple did at their end!!! We, the
users, are not in complete control of our computers nowadays.
But the new shiny has arrived. Still in its box, hopefully it will have taken
over by lunchtime. I can then decide at leisure what to do with the old one.
Oh! How exciting! 🙂 May I ask which new computer you have chosen? >>>>
Eat your heart out!
Wow! 🙂 That's 'just the ticket'!
Do, please, write and tell how amazed you are by the speed at which
things happen!
Have a great day, John.
Pretty prompt so far. I shall now clear out the old one. Incidentally the
glitch is back - twice this morning, after I had moved it. I wonder if it is >> vibration sensitive?
Now to learn some new tricks!
Great news! :-D
How do photographs look compared to on the 5K Retina screen of your old
iMac?
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
The new iMac is up and running. Yay!
The old one glitched twice again this morning after I had moved it. I wonder >> if it is vibration sensitive? But I was still able to migrate from it.
Lots pf passwords to reinsert…
Would certainly recommend a password manager. Makes life a lot easier.
macOS has a new Passwords app which I haven't used. Am a long time user of Enpass.
On 29 Nov 2024 at 17:33:04 GMT, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
The new iMac is up and running. Yay!
The old one glitched twice again this morning after I had moved it. I wonder
if it is vibration sensitive? But I was still able to migrate from it.
Lots pf passwords to reinsert…
Would certainly recommend a password manager. Makes life a lot easier.
macOS has a new Passwords app which I haven't used. Am a long time user of >> Enpass.
I use LastPass, which works fine for websites. But it doesn't seem to work for
apps. Some are needing their keys.
I have a lot of exploring to do… I hope to fade into the background for a while.
On 29 Nov 2024 at 16:04:26 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 29/11/2024 15:20, John Hill wrote:
On 29 Nov 2024 at 09:19:06 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>> wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:49, John Hill wrote:
On 29 Nov 2024 at 08:10:20 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d> >>>>> wrote:
On 29/11/2024 08:00, John Hill wrote:https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/imac/silver-24-inch-standard-glass-apple-m4-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb-memory-512gb
On 28 Nov 2024 at 19:54:02 GMT, ""David" <Devon)" <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 28/11/2024 10:47, Theo wrote:
John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024 at 07:50:36 GMT, "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! Ethernet.
About eighteen months ago the Ethernet connection became intermittent and then
died altogether. Since then I have been using a USB to Ethernet adaptor. This
runs at 400Mb/s, which is more than enough to cope with my 70Mb/s broadband
connection. (Why don't I go to a higher speed? Becsuse the infrastructure
isn't there).
I might check to see if the restoration has brought it back to life, but I
very much doubt it.
No - still dead.
This is another indicator that the hardware is poorly - it's possible this
is connected with the MCA, but not obviously so.
OTOH I do have a Mac Mini with dead ethernet that otherwise works fine - the
ethernet is a separate chip on the board so I suppose it's possible to zap
it by lightning or whatever.
(the chip is non-replaceable without soldering, so not much that can be done
about it either way)
Are you referring to Microchannel Architecture (MCA), a computer bus >>>>>>>> standard (expansion bus)
for connecting of internal components, Theo?
I'd still like to know if Old John can connect wirelessly to his router!
Yes. There never has been a problem.
Thank you for confirming.
Strangely, the glitch has stopped as suddenly as it started, not long after
the system was rebuilt.
It may have been something which Apple did at their end!!! We, the >>>>>> users, are not in complete control of our computers nowadays.
But the new shiny has arrived. Still in its box, hopefully it will have taken
over by lunchtime. I can then decide at leisure what to do with the old one.
Oh! How exciting! 🙂 May I ask which new computer you have chosen? >>>>>
Eat your heart out!
Wow! 🙂 That's 'just the ticket'!
Do, please, write and tell how amazed you are by the speed at which
things happen!
Have a great day, John.
Pretty prompt so far. I shall now clear out the old one. Incidentally the >>> glitch is back - twice this morning, after I had moved it. I wonder if it is
vibration sensitive?
Now to learn some new tricks!
Great news! :-D
How do photographs look compared to on the 5K Retina screen of your old
iMac?
Hang on a minute! I haven't even looked yet! Come back in a while.
Old John.
I use the 40% argument quite a lot these days…
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