Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

In the new iMac plus a price drop to £1299. Faster, cheaper and better specification. That'll be galling for anyone who bought an iMac in the last few months.

The extra RAM is likely for AppI so I reckon a clean sweep of new base
models this week. Mac mini tomorrow and the laptops on Wednesday.

I'm contractually obliged to gripe about the storage. 256GB base spec, with £200 uplift to 512GB, and £400 uplift to 1TB.

I looked up the price at my usual parts purveyor, for NVMe Gen 4 (they don't sell Gen 5 smaller than 1TB):

The delta from 256GB to 512: £7.50
The delta from 256GB to 1TB: £21.49

Theo
(who specs every PC with 2TB as standard these days as it's not worth
bothering with anything less)

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On 28/10/2024 19:36, Theo wrote:

Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

In the new iMac plus a price drop to £1299. Faster, cheaper and better
specification. That'll be galling for anyone who bought an iMac in the last >> few months.

The extra RAM is likely for AppI so I reckon a clean sweep of new base
models this week. Mac mini tomorrow and the laptops on Wednesday.

I'm contractually obliged to gripe about the storage. 256GB base spec, with £200 uplift to 512GB, and £400 uplift to 1TB.

I looked up the price at my usual parts purveyor, for NVMe Gen 4 (they don't sell Gen 5 smaller than 1TB):

The delta from 256GB to 512: £7.50
The delta from 256GB to 1TB: £21.49

Theo
(who specs every PC with 2TB as standard these days as it's not worth bothering with anything less)

Yeah, it's crap - 256 is too little if you have even a moderate number
of apps. It's easy to fill 100GB and then start worrying about not
having enough elbow room left, even if all data is on external devices.
(I know, first world problems.)

And although an external Thunderbolt SSD is more than quick enough to
store files, it's a pain to to have to shuffle files around from
external storage to desktop for working on and then back again when done.

In fact that would be a useful feature: Macos could keep track of where
a file comes from when the user drags it onto the desktop and then have
a Finder menu item called "put away" that moves the file off the desktop
and puts it back into the folder it originally came from.

If they gave the action a shortcut key equivalent - say cmd-Y - then it
would be even easier to use. ;-)

I suppose all it needs is some young influencer to produce a Youtube
video explaining how the metaphor of a desktop - where office workers at
one time, back in the stone-age, would take files from filing cabinets,
place them on their desks while they worked on them, and then put them
away again afterwards - relates to the GUI version of the desktop.

That would be "awesome".

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Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, England

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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 23:02:44 +0000, Bruce <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 28/10/2024 19:36, Theo wrote:

Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

In the new iMac plus a price drop to �1299. Faster, cheaper and better
specification. That'll be galling for anyone who bought an iMac in the last >>> few months.

The extra RAM is likely for AppI so I reckon a clean sweep of new base
models this week. Mac mini tomorrow and the laptops on Wednesday.

I'm contractually obliged to gripe about the storage. 256GB base spec, with >> �200 uplift to 512GB, and �400 uplift to 1TB.

I looked up the price at my usual parts purveyor, for NVMe Gen 4 (they don't >> sell Gen 5 smaller than 1TB):

The delta from 256GB to 512: �7.50
The delta from 256GB to 1TB: �21.49

Theo
(who specs every PC with 2TB as standard these days as it's not worth
bothering with anything less)

Yeah, it's crap - 256 is too little if you have even a moderate number
of apps. It's easy to fill 100GB and then start worrying about not
having enough elbow room left, even if all data is on external devices.
(I know, first world problems.)

And although an external Thunderbolt SSD is more than quick enough to
store files, it's a pain to to have to shuffle files around from
external storage to desktop for working on and then back again when done.

In fact that would be a useful feature: Macos could keep track of where
a file comes from when the user drags it onto the desktop and then have
a Finder menu item called "put away" that moves the file off the desktop
and puts it back into the folder it originally came from.

They do sort of have something like that when you Bin a thing to
their Bin folder. It remembers where the thing came from so you can
put it back if you accidentally binned it.

Adding such functionality to a "project" inside Final Cut or Logic
Pro as a pop-up box when you shut them down shouldn't be beyond a
really brilliant programmer.

Maybe you should open a "trouble ticket" or Forum post to request it?
Or write a little widget yourself? A Finder add-on, perhaps?

If they gave the action a shortcut key equivalent - say cmd-Y - then it
would be even easier to use. ;-)

I suppose all it needs is some young influencer to produce a Youtube
video explaining how the metaphor of a desktop - where office workers at
one time, back in the stone-age, would take files from filing cabinets,
place them on their desks while they worked on them, and then put them
away again afterwards - relates to the GUI version of the desktop.

You would need three options, "save this version overwriting the old
one", "save this as version two" and "don't bother saving", at least.
Maybe more. So it would be a pop-up menu.

Windows used to do something like that if you tried to save a file
with a duplicate name. It would offer to save the new, the old, both
but giving the new one an additional (Number) in the name or to do
nothing, simply close the window, losing all changes. Indeed,
sometimes Windows would pause a restart to warn you that stuff could
be lost unless you told it what to do.

I've no idea whether MacOS does this as I rarely reboot and on the
rare occasions when I do I close stuff.

That would be "awesome".

Only if implemented properly and if it *worked*. :)

J.

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On 29/10/2024 22:51, John wrote:

In fact that would be a useful feature: Macos could keep track of where
a file comes from when the user drags it onto the desktop and then have
a Finder menu item called "put away" that moves the file off the desktop
and puts it back into the folder it originally came from.

They do sort of have something like that when you Bin a thing to
their Bin folder. It remembers where the thing came from so you can
put it back if you accidentally binned it.

Adding such functionality to a "project" inside Final Cut or Logic
Pro as a pop-up box when you shut them down shouldn't be beyond a
really brilliant programmer.

Maybe you should open a "trouble ticket" or Forum post to request it?
Or write a little widget yourself? A Finder add-on, perhaps?

Thanks for the thoughts John, but I was being sarcastic. MacOS used to
have exactly this feature but they dropped it when they moved to Unix.

A ticket request will go nowhere because the current view at Apple seems
to be that there is the iOS way or the highway. And iOS relies on
"recent files" within each app so that's what you get.

The fact that many people work on multiple projects simultaneously and therefore the recent files list will always be full of files that aren't relevant to the project they're switching to is something Apple ignores.

Paraphrasing Marie Antoinette: let them buy two iPads if they want to multi-task.

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a
desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto
the desktop a while back.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, England

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On 30 Oct 2024 at 11:27:17 AM GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto
the desktop a while back.

What?! You mean like Windows 3.1?
--
TimH
pull tooth to reply by email

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On 30 Oct 2024 at 12:05:41 GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote (via my email Inbox):

Why does the factory have to be connected to only renewable generating sources?

As long as Apple purchase sufficient renewable electricity for each Mini
made then they're covered. The fact that the renewable electricity
generated in response to Apple's purchase of it actually gets used
somewhere else by someone else doesn't matter (as long as the other user doesn't claim it as renewable as well, of course).

The notion that you can "buy renewable energy" is a big nonsense. All power, however generated, goes into the grid, a common resource. We all then take it from the grid, so the proportion from any given source is identical for all customers.

--
Tim

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On 30.10.24 09:22, TimS wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 12:05:41 GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote (via my email Inbox):

Why does the factory have to be connected to only renewable generating
sources?

As long as Apple purchase sufficient renewable electricity for each Mini
made then they're covered. The fact that the renewable electricity
generated in response to Apple's purchase of it actually gets used
somewhere else by someone else doesn't matter (as long as the other user
doesn't claim it as renewable as well, of course).

The notion that you can "buy renewable energy" is a big nonsense. All power, however generated, goes into the grid, a common resource. We all then take it from the grid, so the proportion from any given source is identical for all customers.

You are right as far as the physical realities are concerned.
Economically it is quite different. What can be charged determines the
mix. It is therefore possible to buy the energy from a supplier who
produces only sustainable energy and claim to do so.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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TimS <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 12:05:41 GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote (via my email Inbox):

Why does the factory have to be connected to only renewable generating sources?

As long as Apple purchase sufficient renewable electricity for each Mini made then they're covered. The fact that the renewable electricity generated in response to Apple's purchase of it actually gets used somewhere else by someone else doesn't matter (as long as the other user doesn't claim it as renewable as well, of course).

The notion that you can "buy renewable energy" is a big nonsense. All power, however generated, goes into the grid, a common resource. We all then take it from the grid, so the proportion from any given source is identical for all customers.

It's possible they generate all/almost all energy they use at the factory, which tends to be a giant box with a lot of roof space for solar panels. Especially if it's located somewhere sunny like Guangdong.

Where it gets more complicated is what happens at all of their suppliers.

Theo

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On 30 Oct 2024 at 14:33:25 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:

TimS <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 12:05:41 GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote (via my >> email Inbox):

Why does the factory have to be connected to only renewable generating
sources?

As long as Apple purchase sufficient renewable electricity for each Mini >>> made then they're covered. The fact that the renewable electricity
generated in response to Apple's purchase of it actually gets used
somewhere else by someone else doesn't matter (as long as the other user >>> doesn't claim it as renewable as well, of course).

The notion that you can "buy renewable energy" is a big nonsense. All power, >> however generated, goes into the grid, a common resource. We all then take it
from the grid, so the proportion from any given source is identical for all >> customers.

It's possible they generate all/almost all energy they use at the factory, which tends to be a giant box with a lot of roof space for solar panels. Especially if it's located somewhere sunny like Guangdong.

Then it would be connected as I required - to only renewable generating sources.

Where it gets more complicated is what happens at all of their suppliers.

Mmm.
--
Tim

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On 30.10.24 10:46, TimS wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 14:33:25 GMT, "Theo" <[email protected]> wrote:

TimS <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 12:05:41 GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote (via my
email Inbox):

Why does the factory have to be connected to only renewable generating >>>> sources?

As long as Apple purchase sufficient renewable electricity for each Mini >>>> made then they're covered. The fact that the renewable electricity
generated in response to Apple's purchase of it actually gets used
somewhere else by someone else doesn't matter (as long as the other user >>>> doesn't claim it as renewable as well, of course).

The notion that you can "buy renewable energy" is a big nonsense. All power,
however generated, goes into the grid, a common resource. We all then take it
from the grid, so the proportion from any given source is identical for all >>> customers.

It's possible they generate all/almost all energy they use at the factory, >> which tends to be a giant box with a lot of roof space for solar panels.
Especially if it's located somewhere sunny like Guangdong.

Then it would be connected as I required - to only renewable generating sources.

Wrong as long as it is part of the public network

Where it gets more complicated is what happens at all of their suppliers.

They will hardly survive.


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On 30 Oct 2024 11:37:57 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 11:27:17?AM GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a
desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto
the desktop a while back.

What?! You mean like Windows 3.1?

Yeah, and like my legendary and probably mostly apocryphal Idiot
Sister does with her Win-10 machine.

*Everything* is saved to her Desktop. And she just doesn't get the
idea of folders, not even when I make them and label them and fill
them for her.

It's some sort of blind spot. :)

J.

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:27:17 +0000, Bruce <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 29/10/2024 22:51, John wrote:

In fact that would be a useful feature: Macos could keep track of where
a file comes from when the user drags it onto the desktop and then have
a Finder menu item called "put away" that moves the file off the desktop >>> and puts it back into the folder it originally came from.

They do sort of have something like that when you Bin a thing to
their Bin folder. It remembers where the thing came from so you can
put it back if you accidentally binned it.

Adding such functionality to a "project" inside Final Cut or Logic
Pro as a pop-up box when you shut them down shouldn't be beyond a
really brilliant programmer.

Maybe you should open a "trouble ticket" or Forum post to request it?
Or write a little widget yourself? A Finder add-on, perhaps?

Thanks for the thoughts John, but I was being sarcastic. MacOS used to
have exactly this feature but they dropped it when they moved to Unix.

Oh.

Sorry, I didn't know this. I only used Classic Mac on two 9.6 boxes
and only for a little while.

where I worked at the time had mostly Windosed boxes and *Nixxy
machinery. Macs were rare.

A ticket request will go nowhere because the current view at Apple seems
to be that there is the iOS way or the highway. And iOS relies on
"recent files" within each app so that's what you get.

I must admit to being rather unfond of the toy-computer feel to IOS
and all of its restrictions. I do like my iPad for reading books, and
for the way it can also do web-stuff but I'm irked by it only doing
one thing at a time, by the File Manager being almost impotent and by
other bindings and missing bits.

It could have been such a far, far better machine were it just a
little looser.

The fact that many people work on multiple projects simultaneously and >therefore the recent files list will always be full of files that aren't >relevant to the project they're switching to is something Apple ignores.

I wouldn't know. I have never, ever used an IOS device to do anything
serious like work. I did try, way back with the first ones but those
were even worse than my nice, newer, Gen Six iPad.

I was, recently, astonished to find that my iPad didn't even have a
calculator function. I found some in the Store but they were all
massively infested with spyware scripts and data-vampiring. I hate
that.

Paraphrasing Marie Antoinette: let them buy two iPads if they want to >multi-task.

That's funny. Actually, I have thought of doing this. A "real",
full-sized Maxi-pad for reading at home and a Mini-iPad for putting in
my pocket and using while waiting for a bus. I don't because the
Mini-pads are even less like real computers than their bigger sisters,
they are less capable and have less storage yet they are almost in the
same price ranges, and the Mini's are unlikely to pick up a book from
where I left it on the Maxi.

I'm also not entirely sure that Mini's have decent file managers to
enable me to copy books across to them but that's just FUD. I've never
tried to investigate that point. The shops frown on us trying to
install new softwares onto their demo machines. :)

I can't carry a full-sized Maxi-iPad around because clothing
manufacturers don't think we need large pockets in our coats any
longer. They used to. Sometimes.

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a >desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto
the desktop a while back.

Really? That's odd.

Sorry to have wasted your time, Merry Christmas,
J.

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John wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 11:37:57 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 11:27:17?AM GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a
desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto >>> the desktop a while back.

What?! You mean like Windows 3.1?

Yeah, and like my legendary and probably mostly apocryphal Idiot
Sister does with her Win-10 machine.

*Everything* is saved to her Desktop. And she just doesn't get the
idea of folders, not even when I make them and label them and fill
them for her.

It's some sort of blind spot. :)

Very common behaviour!



--
Graham J

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On 31.10.24 05:56, Graham J wrote:

John wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 11:37:57 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 11:27:17?AM GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a >>>> desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto >>>> the desktop a while back.

What?! You mean like Windows 3.1?

Yeah, and like my legendary and probably mostly apocryphal Idiot
Sister does with her Win-10 machine.

*Everything* is saved to her Desktop. And she just doesn't get the
idea of folders, not even when I make them and label them and fill
them for her.

It's some sort of blind spot. :)

Very common behaviour!

That is what I find in the field as a digital coach for a non-profit organisation.


--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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On 30.10.24 20:33, John wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 11:37:57 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 11:27:17?AM GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a
desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto >>> the desktop a while back.

What?! You mean like Windows 3.1?

Yeah, and like my legendary and probably mostly apocryphal Idiot
Sister does with her Win-10 machine.

*Everything* is saved to her Desktop. And she just doesn't get the
idea of folders, not even when I make them and label them and fill
them for her.

It's some sort of blind spot. :)

Just a different wiring of the brain from yours. Learn to live with it.



--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 11:37:57 GMT, TimH <[email protected]d>
wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 at 11:27:17?AM GMT, "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:

It's no consolation, but it's not just Apple who have forgotten what a
desktop is for: Linux/Gnome stopped allowing the user to drag files onto >>> the desktop a while back.

What?! You mean like Windows 3.1?

Yeah, and like my legendary and probably mostly apocryphal Idiot
Sister does with her Win-10 machine.

*Everything* is saved to her Desktop. And she just doesn't get the
idea of folders, not even when I make them and label them and fill
them for her.

I usually keep a clean desktop and even (unnecessarily) auto hide the dock.
I started doing this years ago when excessive desktop items seemed to slow
down Macs. I wonder if that still applies to more recent Macs including silicons?

--
Cheers, Alan

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