I have real trouble getting headphones that are comfortable and stay in
my ears. I accept that my ears might be a funny shape!

I have some like this:

<https://www.gbmobile.co.uk/products/official-sony-mh-410c-stereo-headset-black?variant=40657406329003&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-
ai0BhDPARIsAB6hmP5Xhp2uyyU9sXIH4__vWJmnBTH_Fwdk6uhOuSMTj2Lj6SltN0J3mmoaAv02EALw_wcB>

... and some a little bit like this:

<https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-MDREX15LPB-AE-In-Ear-Headphones-Black/dp/B00I3LUQPW/ref=asc_df_B00I3LUQPW/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696452133743&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15927215476554112687&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&
hvlocphy=1006589&hvtargid=pla-562753989826&psc=1&mcid=9f0ff8e8ca22307f9037a18e9f710b89&th=1&psc=1&gad_source=1>

Can anybody suggest a suitable model?

I'm happy with wired, ideally if the wire is a metre or a bit more in
length. Ideally with a gold plated connector. Happy with a headband so
they don't rely on friction in the ear to stay in place. I don't want noise-cancelling - I'm happy to hear what is going on around me.

I can understand that shops won't want me to try them before I buy, so a recommendation from experience would be nice.

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On 7 Jul 2024, Chris wrote
(in article <v6ektg$ebf1$[email protected]>):

Have a look at the Shokz as recommended in my thread. They sit outside your ear and resonate the sound into your ear canal through the bone. I've seen lots of people with them.

I've been using them for a couple of years, and I find them excellent.

(Technically, they don't resonate the sound into the ear canal - the sound bypasses the eardrum and goes directly through the bone into the middle/inner ear.)

MST

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On 8 Jul 2024 at 22:11:49 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 7 Jul 2024, Chris wrote
(in article <v6ektg$ebf1$[email protected]>):

Have a look at the Shokz as recommended in my thread. They sit outside your >> ear and resonate the sound into your ear canal through the bone. I've seen >> lots of people with them.

I've been using them for a couple of years, and I find them excellent.

(Technically, they don't resonate the sound into the ear canal - the sound bypasses the eardrum and goes directly through the bone into the middle/inner ear.)

1) I would have expected that to screw up the frequency response.

2) I would have expected that to require high sound levels to work.

Sound is supposed to enter through the ear canal. I expect some sound enters via other paths, but if you think how muffled sound becomes if you block your ears up with a finger each side, you can hear how little it's going to be. The ear/eardrum system is a very sensitive transducer.

Meanwhile I'll stick with my Sony MDR-V6 purchased around 1989.

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On 8 Jul 2024, TimS wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

On 8 Jul 2024 at 22:11:49 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 7 Jul 2024, Chris wrote
(in article <v6ektg$ebf1$[email protected]>):

Have a look at the Shokz as recommended in my thread. They sit outside your
ear and resonate the sound into your ear canal through the bone. I've seen
lots of people with them.

I've been using them for a couple of years, and I find them excellent.

(Technically, they don't resonate the sound into the ear canal - the sound bypasses the eardrum and goes directly through the bone into the middle/inner
ear.)

1) I would have expected that to screw up the frequency response.

2) I would have expected that to require high sound levels to work.

Sound is supposed to enter through the ear canal. I expect some sound enters via other paths, but if you think how muffled sound becomes if you block your ears up with a finger each side, you can hear how little it's going to be. The
ear/eardrum system is a very sensitive transducer.

Yes, I would have expected those problems, too, but you don't get them. The headphones are very comfortable and give extremely good sound. I'm sure top-of-the-range sound engineer cans would give better, but for everyday use, the Shokz are excellent and I don't know anyone who's tried them who has been disappointed.

(I'm puzzled by your remark that 'Sound is supposed to enter through the ear canal'. "Supposed to" in what sense? When I got my ears tested, the
audiologist gave me two batches of tests - one which involved playing sound through my ear canal, and another which used bone conduction to test the
inner ear.

He found no problem with my hearing, by the way.)

MST

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On 8 Jul 2024 at 22:18:22 BST, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:

Meanwhile I'll stick with my Sony MDR-V6 purchased around 1989.

Which, en plus, fit over my hearing aid(s)

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On 8 Jul 2024 at 22:28:41 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

(I'm puzzled by your remark that 'Sound is supposed to enter through the ear canal'. "Supposed to" in what sense? When I got my ears tested, the audiologist gave me two batches of tests - one which involved playing sound through my ear canal, and another which used bone conduction to test the inner ear.

"Supposed to" in the sense that that is how the ear works. My audiologist just gave me some headphones - but then that sufficed to demonstrate a 50% loss at high frequencies. I've never heard of this bone-conduction business, but I'm happy to take your word for it. However, I refer you to my previous comment. Block the ear canal and you hear sod all - my direct experience of ear wax shows this [1], as it did for SWMBO, who, this year had ear tests because she could hear nothing via the left ear - which proved to be totally full of wax (took two goes with the vacuum cleaner to clear it).

[1] I could get rich sellling candles made from my ear wax.

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