Last week I received an e-mail, followed by a 'phone call, from an upset customer demanding an explanation for why I had taken his money and not
sent his order. He gave me the dates on which he placed the order and
when the money had gone out of his account.

I checked all my e-mail archives and spam bin and found that I handn't
received any e-mails from PayPal around that period -- in fact I hadn't received any for quite a long time.

Luckily the customer lived nearby, so I delivered his goods by hand,
explained what had happened and enclosed a complete refund to compensate
him for the trouble he had experienced. He seemed well placated, but I
can't help wondering how many other customers I may have lost and what a situation like this will do for my reputation if it is allowed to
continue.

It may be that I am doing PayPal an injustice and they did send an
e-mail but it was blocked by Plusnet or some other agency. Trying to
find out is nearly impossible but I have come across reports that
something similar by PayPal disrupted 90 businesses not long ago.

To overcome this I have inserted an extra webpage in the ordering
process, which takes the customer's contact details and passes them on
to me by e-mail before connecting to PayPal - but this means the
customer having to put in the same information twice.

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with customer data from an "_xclick" input?

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with customer data from an "_xclick" input?

It might be safer not to use PayPal.

If a supplier asks me to use it I generally don't buy from them.

--
Graham J

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Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with customer data from an "_xclick" input?

It might be safer not to use PayPal.

If a supplier asks me to use it I generally don't buy from them.

I would love to use a different payment system and only used PayPal
because a huge increase in Worldpay prices put my previous supplier out
of business. (The software is still in my system so I can revert to
Worldpay if circumstances change.)

Do you have any recommendations for a very small business which hardly
sells anything nowadays?

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Do you have any recommendations for a very small business which hardly
sells anything nowadays?

Get your customers to send cheques in the post.

Sadly I don't think it's possible for a small business to operate these
days. You have to be big enough to operate your own merchant account,
and have a modern computer kept fully up-to-date. But we've been there
before!


--
Graham J

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On 03/05/2024 17:51, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with customer data from an "_xclick" input?

<https://www.paypal.com/fm/cshelp/article/how-do-i-pre-populate-my-customers-paypal-sign-up-form-ts1372>

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

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Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:

On 03/05/2024 17:51, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with customer data from an "_xclick" input?

<https://www.paypal.com/fm/cshelp/article/how-do-i-pre-populate-my-custo mers-paypal-sign-up-form-ts1372>

That's it! I've spent hours searching for that information,

Many Thanks.

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On 03/05/2024 21:57, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:

On 03/05/2024 17:51, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with
customer data from an "_xclick" input?

<https://www.paypal.com/fm/cshelp/article/how-do-i-pre-populate-my-custo mers-paypal-sign-up-form-ts1372>

That's it! I've spent hours searching for that information,

Many Thanks.

Good result!

FWIW, PayPal works /really/ well nowadays. I don't hesitate to use it.

Good luck.

--
David

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Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a
MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

--
Cheers, Alan

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John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Fri, 3 May 2024 19:56:05 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with >> > customer data from an "_xclick" input?

It might be safer not to use PayPal.

If a supplier asks me to use it I generally don't buy from them.

I would love to use a different payment system and only used PayPal
because a huge increase in Worldpay prices put my previous supplier out
of business. (The software is still in my system so I can revert to >Worldpay if circumstances change.)

Do you have any recommendations for a very small business which hardly >sells anything nowadays?

Could you set up a business account that you can electronically
transfer customers' funds into?

Electronic fund transfers are how I do almost everything and have
done for most if not all of this Millennium.

If you set up a form on your website, the customers don't actually
need to know your account details nor does the web-page, it can all be
done in scripts.

I think.

I'm not sure whether EFTing money around gives you any confirmation
flags that you can email to yourself and your customers but perhaps
your bank manager would know?

The advantage to doing it straight into your own accounts is that you
don't pay 85% of all transactions to PayPal or whatever their cut is.

And now is when everyone yells that I'm an idiot and such things
don't work in your country. :)

FAO Liz - can read John's post OK in MacSOUP and have followed up to it
using MacSOUP. Can you read all this post including quoted text?

--
Cheers, Alan

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Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

Cannot read it here with SeaMonkey either.

Could it be the encoding John’s client is using then and which has incompatibility issues with some other clients especially if older versions
are being used. John appears to be using Agent when I looked at his
headers.

--
Cheers, Alan

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

Cannot read it here with SeaMonkey either.

--
Graham J

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On 4 May 2024 at 08:25:59 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

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Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

It's base-64 encoded and decodes to:

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On 4 May 2024 at 10:02:34 BST, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 4 May 2024 at 08:25:59 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

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bWVycyBidXQgcGVyaGFwcw0KeW91ciBiYW5rIG1hbmFnZXIgd291bGQga25vdz8gDQoNCiBUaGUg
YWR2YW50YWdlIHRvIGRvaW5nIGl0IHN0cmFpZ2h0IGludG8geW91ciBvd24gYWNjb3VudHMgaXMg
dGhhdCB5b3UNCmRvbid0IHBheSA4NSUgb2YgYWxsIHRyYW5zYWN0aW9ucyB0byBQYXlQYWwgb3Ig
d2hhdGV2ZXIgdGhlaXIgY3V0IGlzLg0KDQogQW5kIG5vdyBpcyB3aGVuIGV2ZXJ5b25lIHllbGxz
IHRoYXQgSSdtIGFuIGlkaW90IGFuZCBzdWNoIHRoaW5ncw0KZG9uJ3Qgd29yayBpbiB5b3VyIGNv
dW50cnkuIDopIA0KDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg
ICAgICAgICAgICAgSi4NCg==

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

It's base-64 encoded and decodes to:

Ha ha ha! Looked just fine when I posted :-)

--
Tim

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TimS <[email protected]> wrote:

On 4 May 2024 at 10:00:17 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

Cannot read it here with SeaMonkey either.

Could it be the encoding John’s client is using then and which has
incompatibility issues with some other clients especially if older versions >> are being used. John appears to be using Agent when I looked at his
headers.

OK - this was what was in John's post which showed up just fine here using Usenapp. Maybe all you chaps and chappesses should move to something more recent:

[snip]

I forgot to mention earlier that the version of MacSOUP I use is the final 2.8.something beta which rendered John’s post OK.

--
Cheers, Alan

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On 4 May 2024 at 10:00:17 BST, "Alan B" <[email protected]d> wrote:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

Cannot read it here with SeaMonkey either.

Could it be the encoding John’s client is using then and which has incompatibility issues with some other clients especially if older versions are being used. John appears to be using Agent when I looked at his
headers.

OK - this was what was in John's post which showed up just fine here using Usenapp. Maybe all you chaps and chappesses should move to something more recent:

Could you set up a business account that you can electronically
transfer customers' funds into?

Electronic fund transfers are how I do almost everything and have
done for most if not all of this Millennium.

If you set up a form on your website, the customers don't actually
need to know your account details nor does the web-page, it can all be
done in scripts.

I think.

I'm not sure whether EFTing money around gives you any confirmation
flags that you can email to yourself and your customers but perhaps
your bank manager would know?

The advantage to doing it straight into your own accounts is that you
don't pay 85% of all transactions to PayPal or whatever their cut is.

And now is when everyone yells that I'm an idiot and such things
don't work in your country. :)

--
Tim

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Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Fri, 3 May 2024 19:56:05 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Does anyone know if there is a way of preloading the PayPal system with
customer data from an "_xclick" input?

It might be safer not to use PayPal.

If a supplier asks me to use it I generally don't buy from them.

I would love to use a different payment system and only used PayPal >because a huge increase in Worldpay prices put my previous supplier out >of business. (The software is still in my system so I can revert to >Worldpay if circumstances change.)

Do you have any recommendations for a very small business which hardly >sells anything nowadays?

Could you set up a business account that you can electronically
transfer customers' funds into?

Electronic fund transfers are how I do almost everything and have
done for most if not all of this Millennium.

If you set up a form on your website, the customers don't actually
need to know your account details nor does the web-page, it can all be
done in scripts.

I think.

I'm not sure whether EFTing money around gives you any confirmation
flags that you can email to yourself and your customers but perhaps
your bank manager would know?

The advantage to doing it straight into your own accounts is that you don't pay 85% of all transactions to PayPal or whatever their cut is.

And now is when everyone yells that I'm an idiot and such things
don't work in your country. :)

FAO Liz - can read John's post OK in MacSOUP and have followed up to it
using MacSOUP. Can you read all this post including quoted text?

Yes. Thanks to all who translated it for me.

I think my business is so small, with only the occasional sale, that it
isn't worth changing. I reached official retirement age more than 10
years ago and have been running the business down ever since - but a few customers just won't go away. (The CD sales are only a 'shop' front'
for the much more interesting jobs that come my way.)

I have re-written the PHP scripts that send the customer to PayPal and
they now alert me by e-mail so that I can check with PayPal that the
payment has gone through and I have the customer's address in a
convenient format for Copying and Pasting onto the postal label. Thanks
to Bruce Horrocks I can now pre-populate the PayPal request with the
data the customer has already given me.

I am now waiting for a customer to try it out.

Meanwhile I have discovered that I can't get into my PayPal account
using the Mac Book - and both my spare MacPros have blown up their power supplies. I think it is time I started looking at the secondhand market
for another Mac but I'll post that in a separte thread after the
weekend.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On 04/05/2024 11:26, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I am now waiting for a customer to try it out.

Sell me something and I'll buy it! ;-)

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On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a
MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

--
Cheers, Alan

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Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a
MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Somebody over on uk.d-i-y was having the same problem with Thunderbird generating base64 when there's a UTF8 character in the message. But if I decode the base64 and hexdump it I'm not seeing anything other than 7-bit characters. So I don't understand why it's been encoded.

Theo

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On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

<<snipped>>

IHRoYXQgSSdtIGFuIGlkaW90IGFuZCBzdWNoIHRoaW5ncw0KZG9uJ3Qgd29yayBpbiB5b3VyIGNv >> dW50cnkuIDopIA0KDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg >> ICAgICAgICAgICAgSi4NCg==

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

What? What in the name of all things silicon is *that* doing there?
The post looked okay to me when I archived it.

Ok, so I recognise the format, it's what Usenet sends when you post a
binary, such as a picture to a "pictures.scenic" newsgroup or
something but I've never, ever, *ever* seen it in one of my text-only
messages and I don't do binaries any longer.

Sorry, apologies and oops.

Anyway, the message I sent wasn't worth bothering with. All I asked
was whether you could set up a script to send monies into your
personal bank accounts rather than have people pay PayPal.


You answered that peripherally in response to others so I'm sorry for bothering you.

Please tell me whether this works? Thanks.

Take care, :)

J.

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On Sat, 4 May 2024 09:00:17 -0000 (UTC), Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

Graham J <[email protected]> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

Cannot read it here with SeaMonkey either.

Could it be the encoding John’s client is using then and which has >incompatibility issues with some other clients especially if older versions >are being used. John appears to be using Agent when I looked at his
headers.

Yerp. Agent. Been using it for years and years.

Should I stop, now?

J.

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On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a
MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly,
this has never happened to me before. :)

J.

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On 4 May 2024 09:18:26 GMT, TimS <[email protected]> wrote:

On 4 May 2024 at 10:02:34 BST, "TimS" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 4 May 2024 at 08:25:59 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

<<snipped>>

dW50cnkuIDopIA0KDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg
ICAgICAgICAgICAgSi4NCg==

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

It's base-64 encoded and decodes to:

Ha ha ha! Looked just fine when I posted :-)

It looked fie when I sent it, and when I downloaded a copy to
temporarily archive. So obviously my Agent can read what it sends. :)

J.

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John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a
MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly,
this has never happened to me before. :)

Fullly readable now. Thanks.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On Sun, 5 May 2024 07:54:49 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a
MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly,
this has never happened to me before. :)

Fullly readable now. Thanks.

Good. Virtual hugs for wasting your time and efforts.

I'm off to do something, maybe have a cup of tea or a noodley thingy.
Take care, try to stay warm,

J.

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John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sun, 5 May 2024 07:54:49 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a >> >>> MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly,
this has never happened to me before. :)

Fullly readable now. Thanks.

Good. Virtual hugs for wasting your time and efforts.

I'm off to do something, maybe have a cup of tea or a noodley thingy.
Take care, try to stay warm,

I haven't had a noodle for years...


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On 2024-05-06, Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sun, 5 May 2024 07:54:49 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a >> >> >>> MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly,
this has never happened to me before. :)

Fullly readable now. Thanks.

Good. Virtual hugs for wasting your time and efforts.

I'm off to do something, maybe have a cup of tea or a noodley thingy.
Take care, try to stay warm,

I haven't had a noodle for years...

I seem to remember having to pour boiling water into a plastic container full of dried noodles!

Re: MacSOUP, Stefan must have made a change to allow it to render Base64. Version 2.8.5 can still be downloaded but I managed to obtain 2.8.6b1 via a fellow uscm-er and have had no problems.

--
Cheers, Alan

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Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2024-05-06, Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sun, 5 May 2024 07:54:49 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote: >> >> >

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a
MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the >> >> >MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly, >> >> this has never happened to me before. :)

Fullly readable now. Thanks.

Good. Virtual hugs for wasting your time and efforts.

I'm off to do something, maybe have a cup of tea or a noodley thingy.
Take care, try to stay warm,

I haven't had a noodle for years...

I seem to remember having to pour boiling water into a plastic container full of dried noodles!

Actually dried packet noodles with a sachet of flavouring powder are a
really good 'emergency food' that I carry in my van. They have a very
long sell-by date and, if the cooking arrangements* break down, they can
be eaten uncooked and dry by breaking off bits and dipping them into the flavouring powder.

Re: MacSOUP, Stefan must have made a change to allow it to render Base64. Version 2.8.5 can still be downloaded but I managed to obtain 2.8.6b1 via a fellow uscm-er and have had no problems.

I'm still using version 2.4.6 on a Beige G3 running OS 8.6, so I doubt
if I could upgrade any higher.



[* http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/Van/vanconversion.htm#COOKER]

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On Mon, 6 May 2024 15:02:51 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sun, 5 May 2024 07:54:49 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a >> >> >>> MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the
MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly,
this has never happened to me before. :)

Fullly readable now. Thanks.

Good. Virtual hugs for wasting your time and efforts.

I'm off to do something, maybe have a cup of tea or a noodley thingy.
Take care, try to stay warm,

I haven't had a noodle for years...

Nor has my sister. She's got a *thing* about wheat or bamboo or some
other grass-like organism. It's gluten-connected.

Me, I eat about one pot-noodle sized noodley object per week or so. I
usually add soy sauce, Encano hot sauce and maybe more mango chutney
as the manufacturers are shrinking the tiny drops that they include
inside the "flavour-packets". Those used to be full and plumb with, in
the case of soy sauce, very strong, dark juice. Today, you're lucky if
you get three drips of pallid, weak watery liquid.

Which is *WAY* OT.

Sorry.

I'm going away, now. :)

J.

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On Mon, 6 May 2024 14:46:39 -0000 (UTC), Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2024-05-06, Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sun, 5 May 2024 07:54:49 +0100, [email protected]d
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Sat, 04 May 2024 14:29:00 +0100, Alan B
<[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:13:56 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote: >>> >> >

Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 08:25:59 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, I can't read this. Could you send it in ASCII please?

I can read John's post fine here in Pan, Usenapp and slrn - is it a >>> >> >>> MacSOUP issue? I can try the latter later to double check.

I can read it fine in my MacSOUP. Why is it base64 encoded?

It's probably to do with Agent's Tools -> Options -> Languages
settings. I believe Usenet Text should be set to 7bit/8bit with the >>> >> >MIME headers box unticked but I'm no expert.

Okay, so I made sure of those. Better? Worse? Still broken? Honestly, >>> >> this has never happened to me before. :)

Fullly readable now. Thanks.

Good. Virtual hugs for wasting your time and efforts.

I'm off to do something, maybe have a cup of tea or a noodley thingy.
Take care, try to stay warm,

I haven't had a noodle for years...

I seem to remember having to pour boiling water into a plastic container full >of dried noodles!

That still happens but it is only one variety in a near infinite sea.
Those are "pot noodles" or "cup noodles" depending on the country of
origin. Some of them are evil but a few are really good.

There are also packets of noodley things, some wheat, some rice, some
other plants, mostly grasses of some kind, that you open to pour into
a bowl then drown in steamy water. Those can have lots of things added
to make them even nicer.

I like to add soy sauce, Encanos hot sauce, maybe some ploughman's
pickle on top and perhaps a pile of pickled red cabbage and a couple
of hot pickled onions. I sometimes, for added minerals, add salt,
peppers, both powder and live bits of veggies chopped up, and a
variety of curry powder like stuff.

But I'm slightly weird.

Re: MacSOUP, Stefan must have made a change to allow it to render Base64. >Version 2.8.5 can still be downloaded but I managed to obtain 2.8.6b1 via a >fellow uscm-er and have had no problems.

My apologies for annoying everyone. It wasn't intentional. I've been Usenetting forever and never had that issue. :(

J.

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John <[email protected]rd> wrote:

On Mon, 6 May 2024 14:46:39 -0000 (UTC), Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

[snip]

Re: MacSOUP, Stefan must have made a change to allow it to render Base64.
Version 2.8.5 can still be downloaded but I managed to obtain 2.8.6b1 via a >> fellow uscm-er and have had no problems.

My apologies for annoying everyone. It wasn't intentional. I've been Usenetting forever and never had that issue. :(

Talking of old ancient Mac apps, no problem when using MT NewsWatcher
running on SheepShaver OS 9.1.

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Cheers, Alan

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