I have put a picture of the connectors at: http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Plugs+sockets.jpg I have tried the
main plug in 'A' and 'B', it makes no difference. It is obvious that
Plug '1' goes in socket'C' and plug '3' goes in socket 'F' ...but where
is plug '2' supposed to go?
Luckily I have a spare Mac Pro
On 06/04/2024 19:53, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I have put a picture of the connectors at: http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Plugs+sockets.jpg I have tried the
main plug in 'A' and 'B', it makes no difference. It is obvious that
Plug '1' goes in socket'C' and plug '3' goes in socket 'F' ...but where
is plug '2' supposed to go?
Plug 2 looks like a magsafe power cable. I believe some models of Cinema display could power a Mac laptop via this cable. If you're not powering
a laptop then it doesn't need to be plugged in - just tidy it out of the
way.
Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/04/2024 19:53, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I have put a picture of the connectors at:
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Plugs+sockets.jpg I have tried the
main plug in 'A' and 'B', it makes no difference. It is obvious that
Plug '1' goes in socket'C' and plug '3' goes in socket 'F' ...but where
is plug '2' supposed to go?
Plug 2 looks like a magsafe power cable. I believe some models of Cinema
display could power a Mac laptop via this cable. If you're not powering
a laptop then it doesn't need to be plugged in - just tidy it out of the
way.
Thanks, I was worried that it might be a way of powering the displa,
which wasn't working because I hadn't plugged it in. If the display is powered through the other leads, then it is probably dud.
On 6 Apr 2024, Liz Tuddenham wrote
(in article<1qrlyga.980sscc6ye3wN%[email protected]d>):
Luckily I have a spare Mac Pro
Bloody hell...
On 07/04/2024 17:20, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/04/2024 19:53, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I have put a picture of the connectors at:
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Plugs+sockets.jpg I have tried the >>> main plug in 'A' and 'B', it makes no difference. It is obvious that
Plug '1' goes in socket'C' and plug '3' goes in socket 'F' ...but where >>> is plug '2' supposed to go?
Plug 2 looks like a magsafe power cable. I believe some models of Cinema >> display could power a Mac laptop via this cable. If you're not powering
a laptop then it doesn't need to be plugged in - just tidy it out of the >> way.
Thanks, I was worried that it might be a way of powering the displa,
which wasn't working because I hadn't plugged it in. If the display is powered through the other leads, then it is probably dud.
I tell a lie. Looking a bit more on the Internet it seems the Magsafe connector is to power the monitor from the power brick. The power brick connects to the mains, obviously.
So your failure could be in the brick - or maybe you simply knocked the
brick or tugged the cable, and being magnetic, it came adrift and there
is nothing actually wrong?
On 6 Apr 2024, Liz Tuddenham wrote
(in article<1qrlyga.980sscc6ye3wN%[email protected]d>):
Luckily I have a spare Mac Pro
Bloody hell...
MST
On 7 Apr 2024 at 10:17:25 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6 Apr 2024, Liz Tuddenham wrote
(in article<1qrlyga.980sscc6ye3wN%[email protected]d>):
Luckily I have a spare Mac Pro
Bloody hell...
MST
I've got a spare Xserve if anyone wants one :) Intel though.
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand. What is currently the cheapest Mac kit that will run a reliable Web browser, play DVDs and
connect to a Cinema Display? [The sum total of my requirements -
although the ability to do Zoom calls might be helpful.] Ethernet
connection is essential and a USB port or two would be handy for the
keyboard and mouse.
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2024 at 10:17:25 BST, "Martin S Taylor"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6 Apr 2024, Liz Tuddenham wrote
(in article<1qrlyga.980sscc6ye3wN%[email protected]d>):
Luckily I have a spare Mac Pro
Bloody hell...
MST
I've got a spare Xserve if anyone wants one :) Intel though.
I might be glad to take you up on that.
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand. What is currently the cheapest Mac kit that will run a reliable Web browser, play DVDs and
connect to a Cinema Display? [The sum total of my requirements -
although the ability to do Zoom calls might be helpful.] Ethernet
connection is essential and a USB port or two would be handy for the
keyboard and mouse.
On 10 Apr 2024 at 09:09:13 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2024 at 10:17:25 BST, "Martin S Taylor"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6 Apr 2024, Liz Tuddenham wrote
(in article<1qrlyga.980sscc6ye3wN%[email protected]d>):
Luckily I have a spare Mac Pro
Bloody hell...
MST
I've got a spare Xserve if anyone wants one :) Intel though.
I might be glad to take you up on that.
Yours for shipping if you want it :) It's not at all desk-friendly
though, it's a right whiny-fan-noise bastard and it really needs to be
kept in an enclosed rack or at least several rooms away. I think the HDD
has failed too; takes SATA or SAS. I didn't have the mental (or aural) fortitude to keep going through its ten minutes "something's broken"
timeout bootup to resolve that issue yet.
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand. What is currently the
cheapest Mac kit that will run a reliable Web browser, play DVDs and
connect to a Cinema Display? [The sum total of my requirements -
although the ability to do Zoom calls might be helpful.] Ethernet
connection is essential and a USB port or two would be handy for the
keyboard and mouse.
Old-shape Mac Mini with DVI and the optical drive in I would guess,
although an appropriate age MBP might be cheap enough too.
Cheers - Jaimie
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand.
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand. What is currently the cheapest Mac kit that will run a reliable Web browser, play DVDs and connect to a Cinema Display? [The sum total of my requirements -
although the ability to do Zoom calls might be helpful.] Ethernet connection is essential and a USB port or two would be handy for the keyboard and mouse.
No idea as to 'cheapest', but 2011-2012 Mac Minis were going for cheap when
I looked recently. Maybe 2014s as well (but no upgradeable RAM on those). The 2012 or later have USB 3 which is handy for peripherals.
No DVD slot, but you can have a USB DVD drive.
If you insist on integral DVD, the 2012 non-Retina MBP is the last one with DVD I think. Or the 2011 iMac.
If the Cinema Display has DVI, so you can have an HDMI to DVI adapter.
Most passive adapters only do single link DVI so you're limited to
1920x1080. If you need a higher resolution you either need to use (mini) Displayport if the display has that, or there are mDP to DL-DVI active adapters (use the genuine Apple A1306, clones are troublesome) but they
still seem to be quite pricey, even used.
On 10/04/2024 13:26, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand. What is currently the >>> cheapest Mac kit that will run a reliable Web browser, play DVDs and
connect to a Cinema Display? [The sum total of my requirements -
although the ability to do Zoom calls might be helpful.] Ethernet
connection is essential and a USB port or two would be handy for the
keyboard and mouse.
No idea as to 'cheapest', but 2011-2012 Mac Minis were going for cheap when
I looked recently. Maybe 2014s as well (but no upgradeable RAM on those). >> The 2012 or later have USB 3 which is handy for peripherals.
No DVD slot, but you can have a USB DVD drive.
If you insist on integral DVD, the 2012 non-Retina MBP is the last one with
DVD I think. Or the 2011 iMac.
If the Cinema Display has DVI, so you can have an HDMI to DVI adapter.
Most passive adapters only do single link DVI so you're limited to
1920x1080. If you need a higher resolution you either need to use (mini) >> Displayport if the display has that, or there are mDP to DL-DVI active
adapters (use the genuine Apple A1306, clones are troublesome) but they
still seem to be quite pricey, even used.
There is no absolute need for it to work with a Cinema Display - it just happens that I shall have one left over now the Mac Pros have snuffed
it. If the replacement comes with its own display, I'll settle for
that.
What System are you going to be using Liz?
I've ... tracked the fault down to the 5v start-up
section
There is no absolute need for it to work with a Cinema Display - it just happens that I shall have one left over now the Mac Pros have snuffed
it. If the replacement comes with its own display, I'll settle for
that.
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
There is no absolute need for it to work with a Cinema Display - it just
happens that I shall have one left over now the Mac Pros have snuffed
it. If the replacement comes with its own display, I'll settle for
that.
If that's a possibility then look at iMacs. Probably those in the <2017 timeframe are getting cheap now as Apple has abandoned them.
Theo
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
There is no absolute need for it to work with a Cinema Display - it just happens that I shall have one left over now the Mac Pros have snuffed
it. If the replacement comes with its own display, I'll settle for
that.
If that's a possibility then look at iMacs. Probably those in the <2017 timeframe are getting cheap now as Apple has abandoned them.
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
There is no absolute need for it to work with a Cinema Display - it just
happens that I shall have one left over now the Mac Pros have snuffed
it. If the replacement comes with its own display, I'll settle for
that.
If that's a possibility then look at iMacs. Probably those in the <2017> timeframe are getting cheap now as Apple has abandoned them.
You reminded me that I have an old iMac, running OS 10.4.11 which was
bought for one specific audio job and then mothballed as all-but-useless
for anything else. I have resurrected it and found that it is
impossible to update either of the browsers (Firefox 3.6.28 & Safari
3.9.4) because neither of them can contact their update sites. I tried Firefox with an "http" site and it worked if I typed in the URL by
hand, but linking to the site through Google doesn't work because Google insists on appending an incorrect 's',.
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
You reminded me that I have an old iMac, running OS 10.4.11 which was bought for one specific audio job and then mothballed as all-but-useless for anything else. I have resurrected it and found that it is
impossible to update either of the browsers (Firefox 3.6.28 & Safari 3.9.4) because neither of them can contact their update sites. I tried Firefox with an "http" site and it worked if I typed in the URL by
hand, but linking to the site through Google doesn't work because Google insists on appending an incorrect 's',.
If that's a PowerPC iMac then you're stuck with TenFourFox, which is now abandoned:
https://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
(maybe its links will also work with http?)
If it's an aluminium 2007 Intel iMac (shipped with 10.4) then OCLP might be able to take it up to Ventura if you upgrade the CPU:
https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html
Before you spend money on it I'd check pricing of more recent used machines
- eg for £50 on ebay you can get a ~2011-13.
That's the sort of information I am looking for - a machine that can be upgraded to a browser that at least works most of the time on 'ordinary' websites.
Another possibility is to buy a replacement power supply for the Mac
Pro, they are being sold for around £40. The problem with that is the near-certainty that it will be blown again unless I can find and remove
the fault that blew the other two.
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand. What is currently the cheapest Mac kit that will run a reliable Web browser, play DVDs and connect to a Cinema Display? [The sum total of my requirements -
although the ability to do Zoom calls might be helpful.] Ethernet connection is essential and a USB port or two would be handy for the keyboard and mouse.
No idea as to 'cheapest', but 2011-2012 Mac Minis were going for cheap when
I looked recently. Maybe 2014s as well (but no upgradeable RAM on those). The 2012 or later have USB 3 which is handy for peripherals.
No DVD slot, but you can have a USB DVD drive.
If the Cinema Display has DVI, so you can have an HDMI to DVI adapter.
... If you need a higher resolution...
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alternatively I could buy something secondhand. What is currently the cheapest Mac kit that will run a reliable Web browser, play DVDs and connect to a Cinema Display? [The sum total of my requirements - although the ability to do Zoom calls might be helpful.] Ethernet connection is essential and a USB port or two would be handy for the keyboard and mouse.
No idea as to 'cheapest', but 2011-2012 Mac Minis were going for cheap when I looked recently. Maybe 2014s as well (but no upgradeable RAM on those). The 2012 or later have USB 3 which is handy for peripherals.
I've given it careful consideration and bought a late-2012 Mac Mini
If the Cinema Display has DVI, so you can have an HDMI to DVI adapter.
I've ordered one which also has a VGA port, as I may want to drive a projector or a much older spare display from it.
I had to use a friend's tablet to place the order on eBay because their
login procedure now freezes my MacBook.
I'd suggest:
- upgrading it to the latest MacOS that Apple have for it (System
Preferences->Software update). This means you're on the latest version of
the firmware, which will affect you even if you then:
- install Ventura or Monterey via OCLP:
https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
I suggest starting with Ventura and seeing how it goes, if you have too many problems then try installing Monterey instead.
You can also use the latest
Sonoma, but Sonoma support in OCLP is still early and it seems there are
some graphics problems.
If the Cinema Display has DVI, so you can have an HDMI to DVI adapter.
I've ordered one which also has a VGA port, as I may want to drive a projector or a much older spare display from it.
OK. Note that you probably can't do more than 1920x1080 because it'll only be single link DVI.
I had to use a friend's tablet to place the order on eBay because their login procedure now freezes my MacBook.
If you're not going to use OCLP, the latest official OS is Catalina. I've been finding the older Safari won't work on various websites due to its age, so I'd recommend installing an alternative browser (I suggest Firefox, but many others are still updated).
David Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote:
On 06/05/2024 19:53, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I've always got on well with Firefox so it would be my browser of choice - as long as there are good ad-blockers available.
AdBlockPlus?
Seems to work well for me
uBlock Origin works well for me.
On the video adapter, with HDMI to single link DVI you'll only get 1920x1080 on the Cinema Display. There seem to be plenty of 'HDMI to dual link DVI' adapters for peanuts on ebay but if you dig into the small print they only
go to 1080p - I think by 'dual link DVI' they have a DVI connector with the extra pins but they don't actually connect them anywhere, so they're really single-link. It needs an active adapter, of which there were few about: https://superuser.com/questions/332099/does-a-hdmi-to-dvi-dual-link-adapte r-exist-i-dont-care-about-the-price
If you want to drive the panel at native resolution you'll need one of those fancy dual-link DVI adapters (about £50 for the offical Apple mini-Displayport one on ebay). Back in the day there were some third party alternatives - it's possible you might pick one of those up for less. (I think they were a bit less reliable than the Apple one, but we were using them with erratic Samsung 30" 2560x1600 LCDs so no experience with the
Cinema Display)
I've always got on well with Firefox so it would be my browser of choice
- as long as there are good ad-blockers available.
On 06/05/2024 19:53, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I've always got on well with Firefox so it would be my browser of choice
- as long as there are good ad-blockers available.
AdBlockPlus?
Seems to work well for me
I've ordered one which also has a VGA port, as I may want to drive a projector or a much older spare display from it.
On 5. May 2024 at 19:10:09 CEST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
I've ordered one which also has a VGA port, as I may want to drive a projector or a much older spare display from it.
If you (or anybody else here) can use those:
<https://bremac.de/Adapter1.jpg>
<https://bremac.de/Adapter2.jpg>
Just shout.
They´re only gathering dust over here and I thought about throwing them out anyway. (Not all of them are original Apple)
I´m happy to send them over if you cover the shipping cost (from Germany).
They are just the sort of thing I am looking for -- and a separate
small one for each purpose would be more convenient than the big
universal one I have already ordered. If I took you up on your offer,
have you any idea how much the postage would be?
On 5. May 2024 at 19:10:09 CEST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
I've ordered one which also has a VGA port, as I may want to drive a projector or a much older spare display from it.
If you (or anybody else here) can use those:
<https://bremac.de/Adapter1.jpg>
<https://bremac.de/Adapter2.jpg>
Just shout.
They´re only gathering dust over here and I thought about throwing them out anyway. (Not all of them are original Apple)
I´m happy to send them over if you cover the shipping cost (from Germany).
Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5. May 2024 at 19:10:09 CEST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
I've ordered one which also has a VGA port, as I may want to drive a projector or a much older spare display from it.
If you (or anybody else here) can use those:
<https://bremac.de/Adapter1.jpg>
<https://bremac.de/Adapter2.jpg>
Just shout.
They´re only gathering dust over here and I thought about throwing them out
anyway. (Not all of them are original Apple)
I´m happy to send them over if you cover the shipping cost (from Germany).
I'm in no way begrudging your generous offer :-) but just to point out that these aren't the dual-link DVI adapter, they're only single link. You can see the differences here:
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/111808
But if 1920x1200 is enough (my mistake, I thought 1080p was the max - seems it can just about squeeze 1200 lines if your monitor supports that resolution) then I'd 100% prefer an Apple one over a third party adapter. Plus with a handful you can play lucky dip :-)
The Mini has two Thunderbolt 2 / miniDisplayport connectors on the back, so you can use them to drive two displays.
On 7. May 2024 at 10:10:39 CEST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
They are just the sort of thing I am looking for -- and a separate
small one for each purpose would be more convenient than the big
universal one I have already ordered. If I took you up on your offer,
have you any idea how much the postage would be?
That would be around 10€
And I would have to fill in a form for toll...
Send me a mail with your address and I can send it off and we hope I fill that form right :-)
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