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  • Another reason the TouchBar died

    From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 12:05:18 2023
    Noticed that my Mac was developing a lag, switch to Activity Monitor to
    see what was going on. Top RAM usage was "TouchBarServer"! https://pasteboard.co/1sQg1udxtIIg.png

    Nearly 8GB of RAM! Must be some kind of record.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 14:55:58 2023
    Am 04.04.23 um 13:05 schrieb Chris:

    Noticed that my Mac was developing a lag, switch to Activity Monitor to
    see what was going on. Top RAM usage was "TouchBarServer"! https://pasteboard.co/1sQg1udxtIIg.png

    Nearly 8GB of RAM! Must be some kind of record.

    Reboot and everything should be alright again.

    Here 16 MB and 0.3% CPU on a
    MacBook Pro 15"
    2.6 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7
    16 GB 2400 MHz DDR4

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Apr 4 21:42:59 2023
    On 4 Apr 2023 at 12:05:18 BST, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:


    Noticed that my Mac was developing a lag, switch to Activity Monitor to
    see what was going on. Top RAM usage was "TouchBarServer"! https://pasteboard.co/1sQg1udxtIIg.png

    Nearly 8GB of RAM! Must be some kind of record.

    Mmm, leaky. Mine's just 80meg, of which 71 is compressed.

    Yeah, I'm going to miss it when I need to upgrade. I'm glad I got this
    M1 MBP13" though, the last device with it.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us
    what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no
    interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger
    what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Wed Apr 5 10:08:40 2023
    On 4 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    Yeah, I'm going to miss it when I need to upgrade. I'm glad I got this
    M1 MBP13" though, the last device with it.

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this reason.

    MST

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  • From Sara Merriman@21:1/5 to correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIyS on Wed Apr 5 10:26:36 2023
    On 5 Apr 2023 at 10:08:40 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 4 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    Yeah, I'm going to miss it when I need to upgrade. I'm glad I got this
    M1 MBP13" though, the last device with it.

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this reason.



    Strange how mileage varies - one of reasons I was so pleased with the Air I recently bought, is that it didn't have one.
    --
    Spike is a sturdy birdy

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Sara Merriman on Wed Apr 5 11:23:38 2023
    Sara Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5 Apr 2023 at 10:08:40 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 4 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    Yeah, I'm going to miss it when I need to upgrade. I'm glad I got this
    M1 MBP13" though, the last device with it.

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this >> reason.



    Strange how mileage varies - one of reasons I was so pleased with the Air I recently bought, is that it didn't have one.

    Well I have one on my M1 MBP but I have to admit I don’t use it that much. Perhaps it’s because I still have a old-ish Intel MBA which doesn’t have one and I’m accustomed to that?

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan B on Wed Apr 5 13:15:52 2023
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Sara Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5 Apr 2023 at 10:08:40 BST, "Martin S Taylor"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 4 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    Yeah, I'm going to miss it when I need to upgrade. I'm glad I got this >>>> M1 MBP13" though, the last device with it.

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this >>> reason.



    Strange how mileage varies - one of reasons I was so pleased with the Air I >> recently bought, is that it didn't have one.

    Well I have one on my M1 MBP but I have to admit I don’t use it that much. Perhaps it’s because I still have a old-ish Intel MBA which doesn’t have one and I’m accustomed to that?

    Don't think so. I'm on my second MBP and I don't really use it. For me it's having to move my hands away from the keyboard or mouse.

    I'm sure if you devoted the time to setting up "just right" it would be
    useful, but I just don't care enough to.

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  • From Sara Merriman@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Apr 5 15:17:13 2023
    On 5 Apr 2023 at 14:15:52 BST, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Sara Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5 Apr 2023 at 10:08:40 BST, "Martin S Taylor"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 4 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    Yeah, I'm going to miss it when I need to upgrade. I'm glad I got this >>>>> M1 MBP13" though, the last device with it.

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this
    reason.



    Strange how mileage varies - one of reasons I was so pleased with the Air I >>> recently bought, is that it didn't have one.

    Well I have one on my M1 MBP but I have to admit I don’t use it that much. >> Perhaps it’s because I still have a old-ish Intel MBA which doesn’t have >> one and I’m accustomed to that?

    Don't think so. I'm on my second MBP and I don't really use it. For me it's having to move my hands away from the keyboard or mouse.

    I'm sure if you devoted the time to setting up "just right" it would be useful, but I just don't care enough to.

    I had it set to be the same as the function keys on a normal keyboard -
    because that was all I needed - and got annoyed because it was two taps to use anything. One to wake the bar up, and another to hit the thng I wanted. I'm so much happier with function keys that just do what I expect.

    --
    Billy is silly

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Apr 5 16:34:42 2023
    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Well I have one on my M1 MBP but I have to admit I don’t use it that much.
    Perhaps it’s because I still have a old-ish Intel MBA which doesn’t have
    one and I’m accustomed to that?

    Don't think so. I'm on my second MBP and I don't really use it. For me it's having to move my hands away from the keyboard or mouse.

    I'm sure if you devoted the time to setting up "just right" it would be useful, but I just don't care enough to.

    I'm hoping somebody makes an OLED touch panel to replace the numeric keypad
    on the 16" Framework modular laptop: https://frame.work/gb/en/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16

    I've not had a laptop with a touchbar, but I think one problem was replacing the function key row, so that regressed if you used them. If it augmented
    it, as on the Framework, it could be neat for software like CAD where you
    can put quick access functions on the touch panel without having to remember the Ctrl-Shift-Alt-... shortcut for them. The speaker grilles on most
    15-16" laptops are larger than they need to be, so this is a better use of
    dead space.

    (t'other nice thing about the Framework is you can swap in a numeric keypad when you want one. Which I rarely do, but just occasionally...)

    Theo

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIyS on Wed Apr 5 22:31:19 2023
    On 5 Apr 2023 at 10:08:40 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 4 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    Yeah, I'm going to miss it when I need to upgrade. I'm glad I got this
    M1 MBP13" though, the last device with it.

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this reason.

    I'd kind of ignored that machine as so clearly a worse device than the
    M2 Air, I must admit!

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head.
    -- Terry Pratchett

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Thu Apr 6 21:06:21 2023
    On 5 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this reason.

    I'd kind of ignored that machine as so clearly a worse device than the
    M2 Air, I must admit!

    Why so? The M2 Air has no TouchBar...

    MST

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Fri Apr 7 06:27:03 2023
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this >>> reason.

    I'd kind of ignored that machine as so clearly a worse device than the
    M2 Air, I must admit!

    Why so? The M2 Air has no TouchBar...

    'zacly!

    Why pay more for the same power and useless features?

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 7 08:31:19 2023
    Am 06.04.23 um 22:06 schrieb Martin S Taylor:
    On 5 Apr 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    The M2 MBP13" has it, doesn't it? I'm thinking of getting one for just this >>> reason.

    I'd kind of ignored that machine as so clearly a worse device than the
    M2 Air, I must admit!

    Why so? The M2 Air has no TouchBar...

    That's why.
    I'm also at odds with the TB on my MBP 15", to be honest.


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