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    From David Kennedy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 19:51:48 2023
    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Sun Feb 19 20:52:42 2023
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 19:51:48 GMT, "David Kennedy"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Apple are always either too monopolistic or not monopolistic enough, it seems.

    I'm not sure this is a story. We knew Google paid for Google being
    default in Safari; why is it so weird that they pay to have Google used
    in Chrome as well?

    Surely Chrome is Google's app and so they can do whatever they want inside
    it? It is somewhat surprising that they paid Apple for the privilege of setting something inside their own app.

    Of course on iOS 'Chrome' isn't Chrome, it's just another WebKit skin - like every other browser on iOS. Although I would be further surprised if Brave
    had to pay Apple to allow 'Brave Search' be the default in Brave browser.

    Either way, it sounds very anti-trusty.

    Theo

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Feb 19 20:27:12 2023
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 19:51:48 GMT, "David Kennedy"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Apple are always either too monopolistic or not monopolistic enough, it
    seems.

    I'm not sure this is a story. We knew Google paid for Google being
    default in Safari; why is it so weird that they pay to have Google used
    in Chrome as well?

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Good judgement comes from experience.
    Experience comes from bad judgement.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Feb 19 22:22:03 2023
    On 2023-02-19 20:52:42 +0000, Theo said:

    Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 19:51:48 GMT, "David Kennedy"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Apple are always either too monopolistic or not monopolistic enough, it
    seems.

    I'm not sure this is a story. We knew Google paid for Google being
    default in Safari; why is it so weird that they pay to have Google used
    in Chrome as well?

    Surely Chrome is Google's app and so they can do whatever they want inside it? It is somewhat surprising that they paid Apple for the privilege of setting something inside their own app.

    Of course on iOS 'Chrome' isn't Chrome, it's just another WebKit skin - like every other browser on iOS. Although I would be further surprised if Brave had to pay Apple to allow 'Brave Search' be the default in Brave browser.

    Either way, it sounds very anti-trusty.

    Theo

    Maybe it's to do with it being a different part/division of Alphabet
    Inc? Probably a tax dodge!
    --
    Cheers ... Mark

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Feb 20 07:08:29 2023
    Theo <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 19:51:48 GMT, "David Kennedy"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Apple are always either too monopolistic or not monopolistic enough, it
    seems.

    I'm not sure this is a story. We knew Google paid for Google being
    default in Safari; why is it so weird that they pay to have Google used
    in Chrome as well?

    Surely Chrome is Google's app and so they can do whatever they want inside it? It is somewhat surprising that they paid Apple for the privilege of setting something inside their own app.

    Of course on iOS 'Chrome' isn't Chrome, it's just another WebKit skin - like every other browser

    But that may be changing?

    <https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/amp/>

    In which case shouldn’t developers be allowed to set a default search
    engine of their own choice without financial implications?

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Mon Feb 20 08:47:24 2023
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 19:51:48 GMT, "David Kennedy"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Apple are always either too monopolistic or not monopolistic enough, it seems.

    I'm not sure this is a story. We knew Google paid for Google being
    default in Safari; why is it so weird that they pay to have Google used
    in Chrome as well?

    It seems to be around the why of the payment. The payment, if it is as high
    as $15bn, is more of payoff to stop Apple competing is google's space
    rather than a direct platform fee.

    How to prove any of this will be extremely challenging.

    Cheers - Jaimie

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Mon Feb 20 08:50:29 2023
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics,
    could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to skip/kill?

    Thanks.

    MST

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  • From David Kennedy@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Mon Feb 20 09:08:02 2023
    On 20/02/2023 08:50, Martin S Taylor wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics, could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to skip/kill?

    Thanks.

    MST

    I could give it a try, but as with Christmas, it spoils things if the wrapping paper is clear...

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 11:11:31 2023
    Am 20.02.23 um 09:50 schrieb Martin S Taylor:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics, could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to skip/kill?

    Learn how to change the subject correctly.
    Especially when you are planning to lecture and play netcop.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Mon Feb 20 09:26:19 2023
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics, could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to skip/kill?

    Perhaps we, and I include myself, should stop responding to their posts, particularly the crossposted ones. I know it’s incredibly tempting to
    respond to the crud but doing so seems to act as a major encouragement. Of course it still won’t stop the problem in its tracks but it will, I hope, frustrate the originators and maybe, just maybe, see some sense.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 11:20:24 2023
    Am 20.02.23 um 09:50 schrieb Martin S Taylor:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics, could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to skip/kill?

    Thanks.

    Your welcome

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From David Kennedy@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Mon Feb 20 11:07:09 2023
    On 20/02/2023 10:11, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 20.02.23 um 09:50 schrieb Martin S Taylor:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics,
    could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to >> skip/kill?

    Learn how to change the subject correctly.
    Especially when you are planning to lecture and play netcop.

    Ooops?

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Mon Feb 20 10:34:14 2023
    On 20 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article<[email protected]>):

    On 20/02/2023 08:50, Martin S Taylor wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics, could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to
    skip/kill?

    Thanks.

    MST
    I could give it a try, but as with Christmas, it spoils things if the wrapping
    paper is clear...

    Not if you're going to throw half of the presents away without unwrapping
    them.

    MST

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  • From David Kennedy@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Feb 20 11:06:03 2023
    On 20/02/2023 09:26, Alan B wrote:
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics,
    could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to >> skip/kill?

    Perhaps we, and I include myself, should stop responding to their posts, particularly the crossposted ones. I know it’s incredibly tempting to respond to the crud but doing so seems to act as a major encouragement. Of course it still won’t stop the problem in its tracks but it will, I hope, frustrate the originators and maybe, just maybe, see some sense.

    Especially the cross posted ones. Once I see that it's slipped through the filters I just kill it. I might miss a little something but I strongly doubt it.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Feb 20 05:15:50 2023
    In article <tsv69d$mki5$[email protected]>,
    Alan B <[email protected]d> wrote:

    In which case shouldn�t developers be allowed to set a default search
    engine of their own choice without financial implications?

    users have been able to choose which search engine is used for many
    years.

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Mon Feb 20 12:50:38 2023
    David Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 20/02/2023 10:11, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 20.02.23 um 09:50 schrieb Martin S Taylor:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/ >>
    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant
    topics, could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we
    know which posts to skip/kill?

    Learn how to change the subject correctly.
    Especially when you are planning to lecture and play netcop.

    Ooops?

    Quick enough to admonish, it's a shame that the
    previous poster offered no guidance. Here's a free clue:-

    When you change a Subject: header, put this:

    [new subject] (Was: [old subject])

    - this will tell a competent Newsreader to automatically delete
    the (Was: [old subject]) part when following up.

    I've changed this post's Subject: as an example.
    Pardon me if I'm teaching Granny to suck eggs.

    --
    ^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

    ~ Slava Ukraini ~

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Bruce Horrocks on Mon Feb 20 21:05:29 2023
    Bruce Horrocks <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 20/02/2023 09:26, Alan B wrote:
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/ >>>
    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics, >>> could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to
    skip/kill?

    Perhaps we, and I include myself, should stop responding to their posts,
    particularly the crossposted ones. I know it’s incredibly tempting to
    respond to the crud but doing so seems to act as a major encouragement. Of >> course it still won’t stop the problem in its tracks but it will, I hope, >> frustrate the originators and maybe, just maybe, see some sense.


    By all means keep replying - just take u.c.s.m out of the cross post
    list and leave the rest. :-)

    Yes I agree but the OP may add it back when he replies :-(

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Bruce Horrocks@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Feb 20 20:52:23 2023
    On 20/02/2023 09:26, Alan B wrote:
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics,
    could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we know which posts to >> skip/kill?

    Perhaps we, and I include myself, should stop responding to their posts, particularly the crossposted ones. I know it’s incredibly tempting to respond to the crud but doing so seems to act as a major encouragement. Of course it still won’t stop the problem in its tracks but it will, I hope, frustrate the originators and maybe, just maybe, see some sense.


    By all means keep replying - just take u.c.s.m out of the cross post
    list and leave the rest. :-)

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Surrey, England

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 11:48:33 2023
    On 20 Feb 2023, Sn!pe wrote
    (in article<1q6gatq.1xetddw17s2ozkN%[email protected]>):

    David Kennedy<[email protected]> wrote:

    On 20/02/2023 10:11, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 20.02.23 um 09:50 schrieb Martin S Taylor:
    On 19 Feb 2023, David Kennedy wrote
    (in article <tstukk$g04d$[email protected]>):

    Interesting little piece in the Reg the other day -

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/google_apple_chrome_ios_revenue/

    Small request, but with so many trolls posting here on irrelevant topics, could you make the Subject a bit more informative, so we
    know which posts to skip/kill?

    Learn how to change the subject correctly.
    Especially when you are planning to lecture and play netcop.

    Ooops?

    Quick enough to admonish, it's a shame that the
    previous poster offered no guidance. Here's a free clue:-

    When you change a Subject: header, put this:

    [new subject] (Was: [old subject])

    - this will tell a competent Newsreader to automatically delete
    the (Was: [old subject]) part when following up.

    I've changed this post's Subject: as an example.
    Pardon me if I'm teaching Granny to suck eggs.

    Thank you - I had no clue about this protocol.

    MST

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Tue Feb 21 12:17:08 2023
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    When you change a Subject: header, put this:

    [new subject] (Was: [old subject])

    - this will tell competent Newsreaders to automatically delete
    the (Was: [old subject]) part when following up.

    I've changed this post's Subject: as an example.
    Pardon me if I'm teaching Granny to suck eggs.

    Thank you - I had no clue about this protocol.

    MST

    You're welcome, Martin. You'll notice that your Hogwasher hasn't
    stripped the old Subject: but my ancient MacSOUP has. ≈:o)

    --
    ^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

    If you want peace, prepare for war.

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 13:58:29 2023
    On 21 Feb 2023, Sn!pe wrote
    (in article<1q6i4ms.1uep3a1zlz9kiN%[email protected]>):

    You'll notice that your Hogwasher hasn't
    stripped the old Subject: but my ancient MacSOUP has.

    Yes - it didn't add the bit about (Was:...) either. I would have expected it
    to do that automatically.

    MST

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Tue Feb 21 14:31:54 2023
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 21 Feb 2023, Sn!pe wrote
    (in article<1q6i4ms.1uep3a1zlz9kiN%[email protected]>):

    You'll notice that your Hogwasher hasn't
    stripped the old Subject: but my ancient MacSOUP has.

    Yes - it didn't add the bit about (Was:...) either. I would have expected it to do that automatically.

    MST

    The "(Was:" keyphrase is what triggers the automatic deletion
    but you do have to enter it manually.

    --
    ^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

    If you want peace, prepare for war.

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