• chatGPT

    From Alan B@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 09:22:35 2023
    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I
    might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 10:55:45 2023
    Am 19.02.23 um 10:47 schrieb Alan B:
    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
    Am 19.02.23 um 10:22 schrieb Alan B:
    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I >>> might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>

    What is so difficult to understand in "Artificial"?

    Yes indeed. We need to take their advice with a very large pinch of salt
    for the time being.

    Always! :-)

    --
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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sun Feb 19 09:47:44 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
    Am 19.02.23 um 10:22 schrieb Alan B:
    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I
    might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>

    What is so difficult to understand in "Artificial"?

    Yes indeed. We need to take their advice with a very large pinch of salt
    for the time being.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 10:37:13 2023
    Am 19.02.23 um 10:22 schrieb Alan B:
    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>

    What is so difficult to understand in "Artificial"?

    --
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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Mark on Sun Feb 19 11:50:28 2023
    On 2023-02-19, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-02-19 09:22:35 +0000, Alan B said:

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I
    might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>


    I was reading on Reddit about programmers using it to write code. It
    seems to have been quite useful in gebnerating something that could be cleaned up and used.

    Perhaps it could help with my very poor attempts at writing stuff in Swift on my Mac ;-)

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Feb 19 11:16:52 2023
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 09:22:35 GMT, Alan B wrote:

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>

    That's pretty poor - can't even get the initialisms right.

    As a one-time university teacher it's worrying. I've pumped a few social
    policy qs into it and the answers are pretty impressive in a mid-grade, liberal, US-centric sort of way. Critically, the answers are entirely unreferenced.

    Apparently it's well capable of confounding anti-plagiarism software too. Back to unseen paper exams?!

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Feb 19 11:42:59 2023
    On 2023-02-19 09:22:35 +0000, Alan B said:

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>


    I was reading on Reddit about programmers using it to write code. It
    seems to have been quite useful in gebnerating something that could be
    cleaned up and used.

    --
    Cheers ... Mark

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Mark on Sun Feb 19 18:03:16 2023
    Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-02-19 09:22:35 +0000, Alan B said:

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I
    might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>



    I was reading on Reddit about programmers using it to write code. It
    seems to have been quite useful in gebnerating something that could be cleaned up and used.

    It's called CoPilot. Members of my team were mentioning it last year. It's
    good for boring or commonly used styles.

    Anything truely innovative still needs a human. For the time being...

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  • From TimH@21:1/5 to RJH on Mon Feb 20 09:43:44 2023
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 11:16:52 am GMT, "RJH" <[email protected]> wrote:

    As a one-time university teacher it's worrying. I've pumped a few social policy qs into it and the answers are pretty impressive in a mid-grade, liberal, US-centric sort of way. Critically, the answers are entirely unreferenced.

    Apparently it's well capable of confounding anti-plagiarism software too. Back
    to unseen paper exams?!

    I've seen it suggested that one approach might be to set a question, hand out the chatGPT response, then tell your students they'll be marked according to how much they can improve on it...
    --
    TimH
    pull tooth to reply by email

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  • From Richard Tobin@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Feb 20 12:36:52 2023
    In article <tst0f4$cjmn$[email protected]>, RJH <[email protected]> wrote:

    As a one-time university teacher it's worrying. I've pumped a few social >policy qs into it and the answers are pretty impressive in a mid-grade, >liberal, US-centric sort of way. Critically, the answers are entirely >unreferenced.

    You can ask it to produce references, and it will do so, but they will typically be irrelevant or even completely fictitious. Then it
    becomes a test of the marker's diligence!

    -- Richard

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Richard Tobin on Mon Feb 20 15:28:01 2023
    Richard Tobin <[email protected]> wrote:

    In article <tst0f4$cjmn$[email protected]>, RJH <[email protected]> wrote:

    As a one-time university teacher it's worrying. I've pumped a few social >policy qs into it and the answers are pretty impressive in a mid-grade, >liberal, US-centric sort of way. Critically, the answers are entirely >unreferenced.

    You can ask it to produce references, and it will do so, but they will typically be irrelevant or even completely fictitious. Then it
    becomes a test of the marker's diligence!

    So we know now how science will end.
    With mountains of it, produced by bots,
    refereed by bots, and all published electronically,
    to feed more bots producing more of it.

    A paper like the Sokal hoax
    will stand out as a wonder of quality,
    and obscure concepts like 'reality'
    will be all but forgotten,

    Jan

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  • From alien@21:1/5 to RJH on Tue Feb 21 00:31:39 2023
    On 19 Feb 2023 at 12:16:52 CET, "RJH" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023 at 09:22:35 GMT, Alan B wrote:

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I
    might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    <https://eclecticlight.co/2023/02/19/last-week-on-my-mac-getting-help-from-chatgpt-and-ai/>

    That's pretty poor - can't even get the initialisms right.

    As a one-time university teacher it's worrying. I've pumped a few social policy qs into it and the answers are pretty impressive in a mid-grade, liberal, US-centric sort of way. Critically, the answers are entirely unreferenced.

    Apparently it's well capable of confounding anti-plagiarism software too. Back
    to unseen paper exams?!

    My university uses anti-cheat solutions that compare the article with previous articles and the web. I think it worked since, in Sweden, several cases got caught cheating using ChatGPT.
    But still, it will become extra work for the professor to check all the
    answers though.

    <https://universitetslararen.se/2023/02/16/uppsala-student-caught-cheating-using-chatgptuppsala-student-warned-after-cheating-using-chatgpt/>

    backup link <https://web.archive.org/web/20230221002809/https://universitetslararen.se/2023/02/16/uppsala-student-caught-cheating-using-chatgptuppsala-student-warned-after-cheating-using-chatgpt/>
    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 11:04:43 2023
    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    MST

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIyS on Wed Feb 22 11:16:02 2023
    On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 11:04:43 +0000, Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I
    might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French >speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    Oui monsieur ;-)

    I remember many years ago in the Alps seeing a sign at a ski resort
    called "Tunnel de Fartage". I didn't realise at the time that
    "fartage" means ski-waxing :)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 18:54:52 2023
    Am 22.02.23 um 18:40 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I >>> might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French
    speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet
    shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers
    on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which
    apparently means willie or fanny.

    Watch what you say: My wife is American and for her "fanny" is the
    opposite side of the world.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Wed Feb 22 17:40:24 2023
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet
    shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers
    on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which
    apparently means willie or fanny.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Wed Feb 22 20:53:04 2023
    Liz Tuddenham <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet
    shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers
    on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which
    apparently means willie or fanny.

    The penis, or a victim, or a scoudrel
    <https://m.interglot.com/nl/en/lul>

    You get the idea,

    Jan

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 08:44:41 2023
    On 22 Feb 2023 at 17:40:24 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I >>> might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French
    speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet
    shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers
    on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which
    apparently means willie or fanny.

    I had a great-aunt Fanny, Language is a strange beast. You can no longer run across a field with gay abandon.

    A joke going back perhas to Victorian times relates how a foreigner came to England for the first time and was much impressed by the railways. "Do you know", he said on return, "They have carriages for No Smoking and Ladies Only, and whole trains for Reading and Bath!".

    J.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to John Hill on Thu Feb 23 10:02:14 2023
    John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 22 Feb 2023 at 17:40:24 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or
    anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I >>> might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French >> speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet
    shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers
    on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which apparently means willie or fanny.

    I had a great-aunt Fanny, Language is a strange beast. You can no longer run across a field with gay abandon.

    A joke going back perhas to Victorian times relates how a foreigner came to England for the first time and was much impressed by the railways. "Do you know", he said on return, "They have carriages for No Smoking and Ladies Only,
    and whole trains for Reading and Bath!".

    Or the foreigner who had come to London to learn English. When he saw
    the sign outside a cinema "South Pacific, pronounced success" he went
    straight back home.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 14:09:05 2023
    On 23 Feb 2023, Liz Tuddenham wrote
    (in article<1q6lku7.4cqs81t4rru2N%[email protected]d>):

    John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 22 Feb 2023 at 17:40:24 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

    Martin S Taylor<[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>):

    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I
    might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems!

    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French
    speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet
    shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers
    on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which apparently means willie or fanny.

    I had a great-aunt Fanny, Language is a strange beast. You can no longer run
    across a field with gay abandon.

    A joke going back perhas to Victorian times relates how a foreigner came to England for the first time and was much impressed by the railways. "Do you know", he said on return, "They have carriages for No Smoking and Ladies Only,
    and whole trains for Reading and Bath!".

    Or the foreigner who had come to London to learn English. When he saw
    the sign outside a cinema "South Pacific, pronounced success" he went straight back home.

    I often wonder if the French say "Mon paquet a été livré par DPD".

    MST

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Thu Feb 23 14:25:41 2023
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which apparently means willie or fanny.

    I had a great-aunt Fanny, Language is a strange beast. You can no
    longer run across a field with gay abandon.

    A joke going back perhas to Victorian times relates how a foreigner
    came to England for the first time and was much impressed by the railways. "Do you know", he said on return, "They have carriages for
    No Smoking and Ladies Only, and whole trains for Reading and Bath!".

    Or the foreigner who had come to London to learn English. When he saw
    the sign outside a cinema "South Pacific, pronounced success" he went straight back home.

    I often wonder if the French say "Mon paquet a été livré par DPD".

    À l'eau, c'est l'heure.

    --
    ^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

    If you want peace, prepare for war.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Thu Feb 23 15:18:26 2023
    Martin S Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 23 Feb 2023, Liz Tuddenham wrote
    (in article<1q6lku7.4cqs81t4rru2N%[email protected]d>):

    John Hill <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 22 Feb 2023 at 17:40:24 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

    Martin S Taylor<[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19 Feb 2023, Alan B wrote
    (in article<tsspor$btav$[email protected]>): >>>>>
    Anyone tried using an AI system to analyse problems with your Mac or >>>>>> anything else come to think of it? I think if my Macs start playing up I >>>>>> might be better off replacing them rather than consult such systems! >>>>>
    As others have commented (though not here, I think) "ChatGPT" to a French >>>>> speaker means "Cat, I farted".

    The French must be amused when they come here and find we have pet
    shops.

    I heard about some Dutch tourists photographing the fire extinguishers >>>> on the London Underground - they were emblazoned with 'LUL', which
    apparently means willie or fanny.

    I had a great-aunt Fanny, Language is a strange beast. You can no longer run
    across a field with gay abandon.

    A joke going back perhas to Victorian times relates how a foreigner came to >>> England for the first time and was much impressed by the railways. "Do you >>> know", he said on return, "They have carriages for No Smoking and Ladies >>> Only,
    and whole trains for Reading and Bath!".

    Or the foreigner who had come to London to learn English. When he saw
    the sign outside a cinema "South Pacific, pronounced success" he went
    straight back home.

    I often wonder if the French say "Mon paquet a été livré par DPD".

    I /could/ be accurate.

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