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    From stephan Beyer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 14 05:48:14 2020
    DH
    I realize now you need special help. Perhaps with time and study you can overcome your learning disability.

    Blaming iran for becoming a monarchy in 1953 as an American is problematic. Its problematic because Operation Ajax has already been declassified. This could be considered as racist as blaming the Guatemalans for being a right wing government in the 50s.
    (when united fruit and the cia overthrew their country and turned into a banana plantation. )

    I would advise you to better conceal your ethnocentrism xenophobia and intolerance. maybe with time being silent about these biases they will minimize and allow you to be less of threat to your self and others.
    SB

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 14 08:48:22 2020
    My point, Stevie, was that any effort of the Bayanis to reform Iran's government came to nothing, because of the events of 1953 and since 1979 which totally destroyed and democracy Iran may have had. I wasn't denying American involvement in the events of
    1953, so your strawmanning is laughable.

    I need help? I'm not the one who joined a cult led by a toxic lunatic.

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  • From NUR@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Apr 14 14:10:15 2020
    On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 01:48:24 UTC+10, [email protected] wrote:
    My point, Stevie, was that any effort of the Bayanis to reform Iran's >government came to nothing,
    because of the events of 1953
    and since 1979 which totally destroyed and democracy Iran may have had.

    What a shallow, dumb and chidish reading of history. If you want to walk down that road, one can make the same silly argument and say that you white liberals are losers of American history because by making Killary your candidate you handed your country
    on a silver platter to Trump who has wreaked permanent damage on it just as you are about to hand it back to Trump by making Biden your candidate. Be that as it may, America was never a democracy to begin with so Trump is a natural outcome of the
    contradiction that is America. However, as hard as Khomeini tried to make Iran a complete theocratic dictatorship, he couldn't, since even he had to give some level of process and parliamentary democracy to the Islamic Republic -- and that is the legacy
    of the Constitutional Revolution which is a direct legacy of the Bayanis. In other words, whether secular or religious, the shadow of the Bayan hangs long over Iran on all sides of the spectrum.


    I'm not the one who joined a cult led by a toxic lunatic.

    Yeah, you did. You joined the baha'i faith and continue to bat for them, Gomer: the baha'i faith founded and led by a toxic lunatic named Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri. Now go run along now and into the loving embrace of Michael Zargarov.

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  • From NUR@21:1/5 to NUR on Tue Apr 14 14:26:29 2020
    On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:10:16 UTC+10, NUR wrote:
    On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 01:48:24 UTC+10, [email protected] wrote:
    My point, Stevie, was that any effort of the Bayanis to reform Iran's >government came to nothing,
    because of the events of 1953
    and since 1979 which totally destroyed and democracy Iran may have had.

    What a shallow, dumb and chidish reading of history. If you want to walk down that road, one can make the same silly argument and say that you white liberals are losers of American history because by making Killary your candidate you handed your
    country on a silver platter to Trump who has wreaked permanent damage on it just as you are about to hand it back to Trump by making Biden your candidate. Be that as it may, America was never a democracy to begin with so Trump is a natural outcome of the
    contradiction that is America. However, as hard as Khomeini tried to make Iran a complete theocratic dictatorship, he couldn't, since even he had to give some level of process and parliamentary democracy to the Islamic Republic -- and that is the legacy
    of the Constitutional Revolution which is a direct legacy of the Bayanis. In other words, whether secular or religious, the shadow of the Bayan hangs long over Iran on all sides of the spectrum.


    I'm not the one who joined a cult led by a toxic lunatic.

    Yeah, you did. You joined the baha'i faith and continue to bat for them, Gomer: the baha'i faith founded and led by a toxic lunatic named Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri. Now go run along now and into the loving embrace of Michael Zargarov.

    Correction: a toxic, murderous and meglomaniacal lunatic named Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri.

    Additionally, without Ali Shariati there would have been no Islamic Revolution in Iran since Shariati and his father Mohammad-Taqi were both Bayanis, and were consistently accused as such by the mullahs. The speeches and writings of Ali Shariati
    galvanized an entire generation and mobilized them for direct confrontation with the Shah's western propped comprador dictatorship. It is the legacy of Shariati's democratic socialist Shi'i Islam (which is in fact a not too carefully smokescreened Bayan
    to those who know how to read between the lines) that prevented Khomeini and the Islamic Republic from sliding into a totalatarian theocratic dystopia. Given this, the democratic and socialist elements to the Islamic Republic of Iran today is indeed a
    legacy of Shariati and so by implication a legacy of the Bab.

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  • From NUR@21:1/5 to NUR on Tue Apr 14 17:11:05 2020
    On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:10:16 UTC+10, NUR wrote:
    On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 01:48:24 UTC+10, [email protected] wrote:
    My point, Stevie, was that any effort of the Bayanis to reform Iran's >government came to nothing,
    because of the events of 1953
    and since 1979 which totally destroyed and democracy Iran may have had.

    What a shallow, dumb and chidish reading of history. If you want to walk down that road, one can make the same silly argument and say that you white liberals are losers of American history because by making Killary your candidate you handed your
    country on a silver platter to Trump who has wreaked permanent damage on it just as you are about to hand it back to Trump by making Biden your candidate. Be that as it may, America was never a democracy to begin with so Trump is a natural outcome of the
    contradiction that is America. However, as hard as Khomeini tried to make Iran a complete theocratic dictatorship, he couldn't, since even he had to give some level of process and parliamentary democracy to the Islamic Republic -- and that is the legacy
    of the Constitutional Revolution which is a direct legacy of the Bayanis. In other words, whether secular or religious, the shadow of the Bayan hangs long over Iran on all sides of the spectrum.


    I'm not the one who joined a cult led by a toxic lunatic.

    Yeah, you did. You joined the baha'i faith and continue to bat for them, Gomer: the baha'i faith founded and led by a toxic lunatic named Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri. Now go run along now and into the loving embrace of Michael Zargarov.

    Correction: a toxic, murderous and meglomaniacal lunatic named Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri!

    Additionally, without Ali Shariati there would have been no Islamic Revolution in Iran since Shariati and his father Mohammad-Taqi were both Bayanis, and were consistently accused as such by the mullahs. The speeches and writings of Ali Shariati
    galvanized an entire generation and mobilized them for direct confrontation with the Shah's western propped comprador dictatorship. It is the legacy of Shariati's democratic socialist Shi'i Islam (which is in fact a not too carefully camouflaged Bayan
    to those who know how to read between the lines) that prevented Khomeini and the Islamic Republic from sliding into a totalatarian theocratic dystopia. Given this, the democratic and socialist elements to the Islamic Republic of Iran today is indeed a
    legacy of Ali Shariati and so by implication a legacy of the Bab. This means that not only have we won, but until the time that the mullahs finally sold out to Mammon and became more concerned in lining their own pockets and maintaining their power
    rather than revolutionary principles (which is also when they started to jump into bed with the Baha'is), we managed to defeat the Baha'is and their malevolent influence and keep them from taking outright power in Iran. And since this is the case, you
    may wish to reasses your ignorant and delusional pseudo-analysis of contemporary Iranian history and events, Gomer.

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  • From stephan Beyer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 15 04:12:02 2020
    DH
    You know very little about Irans history and you don't seem to care much to learn.

    However if you keep blaming people conquered by the usa for being conquered you will have a harder time concealing your racial views.
    SB

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  • From stephan Beyer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 15 04:41:10 2020
    DH
    I am not a member of the Fatimiya sufi order.

    Are you referring to all followers of the Bab and Bayan as a cult led by a toxic lunatic?

    SB

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  • From NUR@21:1/5 to stephan Beyer on Tue Apr 21 00:34:42 2020
    On Sunday, 12 April 2020 21:56:02 UTC+10, stephan Beyer wrote:
    "You are a threat to our cause because you try to separate the Bab from Baha'u'llah. "

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  • From NUR@21:1/5 to stephan Beyer on Sat Apr 3 20:13:14 2021
    On Sunday, 12 April 2020 at 21:56:02 UTC+10, stephan Beyer wrote:
    "You are a threat to our cause because you try to separate the Bab from Baha'u'llah. "

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