• There is no such thing as intrinsic "need"

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 25 11:26:08 2025
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    Most people draw a false distinction between "necessities" vs "luxuries." Food, water, clothing, shelter, etc. are called "necessities" or "needs," and everything else is a "luxury" or a "mere want." Sometimes the word "mere" is only implied, but often enough it is expressly stated.

    There is no such distinction. People *only* have wants, and things are needed in
    order to satisfy those wants, but the need is only *instrumental*, not intrinsic. If you "want" to play tennis, then you "need" a racquet and balls. If
    you "want" to go to the cinema to see "Superman," then you "need" the wherewithal to buy a ticket. If you "want" to walk over rough terrain without injuring your feet, then you "need" shoes or boots. And if you "want" to continue living, then you "need" food and water. But all of these "needs" are purely instrumental.

    The way we know this is through our old friend, economics price theory. If something is truly a need, then you would not trade even the minutest part of some of it that you possess in order to acquire an enormous quantity of a "mere luxury" good. But we see people make those trades every day. People will do without some supposed "needs" in order to obtain some amount of "mere wants." For example, people will consume less (or lower quality) food in order to buy a new tennis racquet or a larger TV. It happens all the time.

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  • From jojo@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Jul 25 18:57:20 2025
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    Ubiquitous wrote:
    Most people draw a false distinction between "necessities" vs
    "luxuries." Food, water, clothing, shelter, etc. are called
    "necessities" or "needs," and everything else is a "luxury" or a
    "mere want." Sometimes the word "mere" is only implied, but often
    enough it is expressly stated.

    There is no such distinction. People *only* have wants, and
    things are needed in order to satisfy those wants, but the need
    is only *instrumental*, not intrinsic. If you "want" to play
    tennis, then you "need" a racquet and balls. If you "want" to go
    to the cinema to see "Superman," then you "need" the wherewithal
    to buy a ticket. If you "want" to walk over rough terrain without
    injuring your feet, then you "need" shoes or boots. And if you
    "want" to continue living, then you "need" food and water. But
    all of these "needs" are purely instrumental.

    The way we know this is through our old friend, economics price
    theory. If something is truly a need, then you would not trade
    even the minutest part of some of it that you possess in order to
    acquire an enormous quantity of a "mere luxury" good. But we see
    people make those trades every day. People will do without some
    supposed "needs" in order to obtain some amount of "mere wants."
    For example, people will consume less (or lower quality) food in
    order to buy a new tennis racquet or a larger TV. It happens all
    the time.


    people who are in a position to think about buying a tennis raq
    or tv do not have threat to their survival from pursuing those
    choices.

    cut off electricity and supplies to a city for a couple of days
    and it will turn into a wasteland.

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